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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on June 10, 2010, 01:58:41 PM
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Salisbury and vics both expelled FGR stay up.Vics have requested christmas fixtures against either unicorn or sporting celtic.
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http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2010/northwich-100610
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On the plus side. Two cheating teams living beyond there means have got there just rewards.. I have to say it will be nice not to continually read posts about Vics dodgy deals etc..
On the negative side. Its another slog to that fkn souless pit that is Fkn Grim Rovers
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Obviously Sneaky Peakey will still demand that FGR go down "For the good of the game" ??? As those in the relegation deserve to go down no matter what ?? Or have opinions changed I wonder ?
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On the negative side. Its another slog to that fkn souless pit that is Fkn Grim Rovers
And the fact we'll toss off another 2 goal advantage.
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Where as at Salisbury we give away 3 goal leads or let in 4 in 8 minutes. Whenever we play near me we're terrible!
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Forest Green will be absolutely spuds next season, so hopefully we'll set the record straight a little bit! :)
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They were absolutely spuds THIS season, and we still contrived to make them look good.
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Could be the end of Vics ...depending on how appendix e is implemented next year they may be in the same place at end of next season and get dumped down even further the pyramid. If they decide not to go into admin then they would have to reform and be start again in NWCL level.
If FGR are 1.5 million pounds in debt then they are toast. They dont have the support base to cover that sort of debt they will have to be part time and pay peanuts . Admin then appendix e to kick in and then they will be back in some extremely tinpot league in the country....
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Could be the end of Vics ...depending on how appendix e is implemented next year they may be in the same place at end of next season and get dumped down even further the pyramid. If they decide not to go into admin then they would have to reform and be start again in NWCL level.
If FGR are 1.5 million pounds in debt then they are toast. They dont have the support base to cover that sort of debt they will have to be part time and pay peanuts . Admin then appendix e to kick in and then they will be back in some extremely tinpot league in the country....
Vics are now under the membership rules of the Evostick (unibond) premier, who have different rules and regulations to the conference. Further, it is only the conference that demand all debt is paid back by the end of the season. League clubs rejected a similar proposal at their lastest AGM.
Northwich do already have some tinpot fixtures next season. Some outfit called FCUM, whoever they are??
Though i dont condone any club paying above their means, and using a CVA to pay back less than they have used up. i feel the punishment dished out is disproportionate. I applaud the conference for ensuring all debts are paid back but what happens if some club is forced into administration over £1000, are they then thrown out if it isnt paid by the end of the season? What happens if the insolvancy event happens a few days before the deadline? why not allow clubs to pay instalments for the full amount? simply throwing a club out of the league does not help them at all. These clubs lose further sponsorship, have lower attandaces, and thus lower income to fund the same amount of debt. Surely the conferene should be helping the lost sheep back into fold, rather then taking them to the nearest slaugter house.
Then again vics are looking to go on a costly court venture, when they should be paying back their debts.
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I have read elsewhere that Unibond Evostick will be implementing appendix E for next season...even if not so how will Vics get back into Conference if they are still in a CVA ?
If you overspend and put a team on the pitch that you cant afford /never could afford then why should you stay in that league ?
What punishment do you suggest ?
And if a club gets put in admin for a thousand pounds then its poked ...insolvency a few days before AGM ? what you didnt notice your spiralling debts and inability to pay them before then ? i dont think anyone can just come and tap you on the shoulder and say your are in admin ..
Lost sheep ? maybe Bo Peep should be the new Vics chairman
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Maybe the sheep shouldn't get lost in the first place? Knowingly and continually spending money that you don't have so to get better players etc is one of the biggest forms of cheating in football. When things come to a head the club should suffer accordingly. You slash your wage bill and pay the debt in full, or you drop down the leagues.
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As I have said before, Jim Rushe has achieved his goal, he said before he put the money in for Vics that he would like to run a Unibond Pemier level team. Well done, it's achieved after only a couple of years at the helm.
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If you overspend and put a team on the pitch that you cant afford /never could afford then why should you stay in that league ?
What punishment do you suggest ?
We'd have an extremely small Premiership then wouldn't we if this was applied all the way up and how about if they applied the same principles to business?
Probably we should be glad that these measures weren't in place when we were outbidding everyone else (and being very successful on the pitch) rather than being all self righteous and gloating over other peoples misfortune?
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English football is a disgrace. The whole game is on its arse, only a matter of time before the bubble completely bursts.
Its eating itself from the inside, glamour is more important than the 'peoples game'. Grass roots football is about plucking kids to throw in the machine and not creating a game for everyone to play. Im not against clubs developing commercially but theres never a second thought for how affordable it is.
Good riddance to vics
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I have been reading some of the comments on 606 non league site about Salisbury and there fans do seem bitter and twisted.
So You take a 10 point hit when you have stockpiled points ala Darlington & Palace etc then think that is just fine to carry on as normal once you escape the drop (probably at the expense of a club who has operated well within its financial means but gets relegated anyway because they cant compete with the cheats who spend money they havent got)..
I know people will say that Alty went through a period of that (I personally wasnt around during that time so know little about the situation). Having said that. I genuinely believe that ANY club who operates like that deserves everything that comes there way.
It is Cheating, Cheating the taxman, the fans, the suppliers to the club,
Players are not totally blameless as they take the big wages in certain cases. (They are all not that stupid that they dont realise what state the club is in financially) If you are turning out in front of a few hundred for home fixtures you dont have to be a brain surgeon to realise that it wont pay your wages if your on Big money ...
FGR are apparently in debt to the tune of hundreds of thousands which begs the question how come they managed to get re-instated being in such a precarious situation.
I expect we will go through all this total and utter shambles again this time next year, The only difference being the names of the fkn cheating clubs will have changed..
It really pisses me off reading this sh*t season after season.
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We'd have an extremely small Premiership then wouldn't we if this was applied all the way up and how about if they applied the same principles to business?
Probably we should be glad that these measures weren't in place when we were outbidding everyone else (and being very successful on the pitch) rather than being all self righteous and gloating over other peoples misfortune?
When have we gone into admin and hence avoided our debts? It's all very well pointing to our past and saying we did the same thing as Salisbury or Northwich, but we haven't. There is a very big difference!
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whilst i feel sorry for the fans of salisbury the league has got to be run as a credible competition and whilst we have teams bending the rules and living beyond their means that will never happen we canot haveprommotion and relegation isues being settled off the pitch again. if these makes clubs sit u and realise then it must be good for the game somehow i don't think it will happen though greed always overides sensibilty
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Probably we should be glad that these measures weren't in place when we were outbidding everyone else (and being very successful on the pitch) rather than being all self righteous and gloating over other peoples misfortune?
Which period in Alty's history are you referring to here?
If you are talking about the late 1970s/early 1980s, then yes, we were in the enviable position of being able both to pay good wages and spend considerable sums in the transfer market...but, under the guidance of a certain Noel White, we were simultaneously posting profits and not living beyond our means.
And how dare you question my right to gloat (quite legitimately) at Northwich Victoria's self-induced misfortune!
Why should I be deprived of enjoying one of life's great pleasures...?!
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And how dare you question my right to gloat (quite legitimately) at Northwich Victoria's self-induced misfortune!
Why should I be deprived of enjoying one of life's great pleasures...?!
Quite right. I think they have got what they deserved and it has been a long time coming.
A lot of their fans are still in the 'it's not Jim's fault' camp and it was the evil Connett......Mr Rushe has taken over the mess, made it much worse and stuck his head in the sand. He has gambled that things would be ok and lost. I recall at the time of his takeover he was 'after' a Unibond club. Mission accomplished.
It's interesting to note that Salisbury, although whinging like mad, have accepted their fate and are determined to right the perceived wrongs. The noises coming from the salt beds is one of 'we are not ruling out legal action'. No surprise
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I think that until wages are capped and books are checked periodically throughout the season the situation will get worse. The saving grace for Alty was the money for the car park because without that we might have slipped away down the leagues. The way things are going with harsh cuts being promised and money being tight gates may well fall next season as the away support may reduce.
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I would expect our away following to increase next season and the clubs joing the Conference to bring more than those that left at the end of last season.
Grimsby, Darlington. Scouseport, Fleetwood, Newport and Bath between them should bring more than Grays, Salisbury, Ebbsfleet, Stevenage athough Oxford brought a heathly following.
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Don't know what the fuss is all about, thought vics went 2 seasons ago .. or was that 3 .. or 4 seasons ago ;)
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I'm sorry, but this just now takes the mickey. How in God's name could you possibly lay off office staff,just to keep the players FULL TIME!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/salisbury/8738658.stm
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I'm sorry, but this just now takes the mickey. How in God's name could you possibly lay off office staff,just to keep the players FULL TIME!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/salisbury/8738658.stm
Just about sums 'em up really..........mutterings of "got to stay full-time to get our 'rightful' place in the pyramid back"......."been harshly treated".....blah blah blah
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I'm sorry, but this just now takes the mickey. How in God's name could you possibly lay off office staff,just to keep the players FULL TIME!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/salisbury/8738658.stm
F***ing unbelievable - at leat they will have the same playing budget as last year. Priorities and all that!
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And how dare you question my right to gloat (quite legitimately) at Northwich Victoria's self-induced misfortune!
Why should I be deprived of enjoying one of life's great pleasures...?!
f**k the SCUMWICH SCUM they out lived their means , i hope they die and fade away , !!!, ALTY F.C FOREVER !!!
Quite right. I think they have got what they deserved and it has been a long time coming.
A lot of their fans are still in the 'it's not Jim's fault' camp and it was the evil Connett......Mr Rushe has taken over the mess, made it much worse and stuck his head in the sand. He has gambled that things would be ok and lost. I recall at the time of his takeover he was 'after' a Unibond club. Mission accomplished.
It's interesting to note that Salisbury, although whinging like mad, have accepted their fate and are determined to right the perceived wrongs. The noises coming from the salt beds is one of 'we are not ruling out legal action'. No surprise