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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on December 07, 2021, 09:48:02 AM
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See its only £7.00 entry. Good pricing from the club.
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I see that Stockport County have knocked Macc out of the CSC at Moss Rose 1-3.
Fan's DIY highlights show that they were absolutely savaged and 1-10 would have been a more accurate representation of the way the game went.
UP THE MILKMEN! I'll have two pints of gold top and a strawberry yogurt please Robbie
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Savaged....I see what you did there 🤣
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Winners at home to Stockport County:
https://fulltime.thefa.com/competition.html;jsessionid=BE8ADDA04E2444CA0201899ED40CE9BF?selectedSeason=689136536&selectedFixtureGroupAgeGroup=0&selectedDivision=0&selectedCompetition=870227525&ftsCompetitionPageContent.selectedFeatureCode=1_951552691 (https://fulltime.thefa.com/competition.html;jsessionid=BE8ADDA04E2444CA0201899ED40CE9BF?selectedSeason=689136536&selectedFixtureGroupAgeGroup=0&selectedDivision=0&selectedCompetition=870227525&ftsCompetitionPageContent.selectedFeatureCode=1_951552691)
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Never mind, maybe Macc will be good enough to play us one day!
P.S. I'd be well impressed if anyone could discuss the team and guess lineup for Tuesday! Maybe Peers again? No idea beyond that though.
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Play our strongest possible team. I am not too bothered about the result, it's a confidence building performance through a clean sheet and scoring three ourselves.
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I think there will be some rotation to give players who aren't currently in the starting line-up a run out.
Having said that I don't expect to see a repeat of the disaster a couple of seasons ago at Stalybridge.
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Need to go for goals and do not hold back!
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Gould
Densmore, Digie, ?, Fitzpatrick?
Furman?, Whitehead?
Mooney, Pringle, Peers
Dinanga
Suspecting something like this?
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I agree with the above.
Looking forward to it
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If Brad Jackson is fit, I can see him at full back and Dens pairing Digie at centre back giving him an older head by his side.
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If Brad Jackson is fit, I can see him at full back and Dens pairing Digie at centre back giving him an older head by his side.
Densmore at CB. Worst Plan B of the week and that's saying something
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Hampson has played CB in these Cup games previously, he may do so to get further minutes.
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Altrincham Team News: Starting XI: Matty Gould, Shaun Densmore, Connor Hampson, Marcus Dinanga, Josh Hancock (c), Ben Pringle, Kennedy Digie, David Fitzpatrick, Tom Peers, Dean Furman, Danny Whitehead. Subs: Jake Moult, Ryan Colclough, Matty Kosylo, Joel Senior, Steven Drench.
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Shambles
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If Brad Jackson is fit, I can see him at full back and Dens pairing Digie at centre back giving him an older head by his side.
Densmore at CB. Worst Plan B of the week and that's saying something
Perhaps second worst? 😕
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Matt Gould can leave tonight, followed by Dinanga and Peers. Take Porter as well.
Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
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I had a sense of foreboding prior to the match - I think that Nantwich always fancied their chances; to be honest, they didn't have to work too hard and they deserved their victory.
Based on our recent performances, I think that we will finish above the relegation places, but not by much. And if we don't sign someone who can score goals from inside the six years box, we might find ourselves trying to avoid the drop.
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Best striker on the pitch tonight …. Dan Cockerline by a country mile. Scored two Goals, held the ball up was not frightened of getting stuck in… would rather see him play for us, than what we have up top.
Dinanga is fkn idle and should be got rid of.
Didn’t realise Peers was on the pitch until the start of the second half when he was stood over by the Pop side.
I did a 130 Mile round trip to watch that tonight, wasted my time, I was considering going to Notts County on Sat, but won’t bother after that display tonight.
Furman needs to try passing the ball forward for a change.. he was like a poor mans Ray Wilkins tonight. The passing was generally poor. Shining light as ever.. Joel Senior, should have started.
How many times did we see Gould to Digie, Digie to Moult, Moult to Digie and Digie to Gould. Play out from the back by all means but not at such a pedestrian pace ffs…
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Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
Get a grip mate.
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Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
Get a grip mate.
1 win in 12, if results don't improve that could easily be 1 in 16 with Stockport and Wrexham.
At some point we will have to make a call he's lost the players. Otherwise everything th club has worked for i.e promotion to this level and beyond will be wasted.
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
They gave everything in the last 30 minutes, which we are beginning to see every week... Starting slowly then chasing the game
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
You don't consistently under perform for so long if there's not an issue somewhere. The fact we turn up 2nd Half suggested things must be said at HT that aren't be adhered to first half.
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Best striker on the pitch tonight …. Dan Cockerline by a country mile. Scored two Goals, held the ball up was not frightened of getting stuck in… would rather see him play for us, than what we have up top.
Dinanga is fkn idle and should be got rid of.
Didn’t realise Peers was on the pitch until the start of the second half when he was stood over by the Pop side.
I did a 130 Mile round trip to watch that tonight, wasted my time, I was considering going to Notts County on Sat, but won’t bother after that display tonight.
Furman needs to try passing the ball forward for a change.. he was like a poor mans Ray Wilkins tonight. The passing was generally poor. Shining light as ever.. Joel Senior, should have started.
How many times did we see Gould to Digie, Digie to Moult, Moult to Digie and Digie to Gould. Play out from the back by all means but not at such a pedestrian pace ffs…
Have to agree 100%, really disappointed last night with our no show.
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It was basically a scratch team last night. I didn't want it to turn out like Stalybridge two seasons ago but it did. There was no cohesion or understanding and anticipation. The number of runs Dens made on the wing only for the player on the ball to not even be aware of them.
In my opinion everyone was playing for a place in the squad last night and some fell short. A disappointing loss but hopefully Phil has got plenty to think about this morning.
I'm expecting better on Saturday from a group of rested players.
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Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
Get a grip mate.
Hashtag, I know you accused me of being patronising / condescending etc - but if I'm being really honest, it's really hard not to be when I see utter drivel written like this.
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Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
Get a grip mate.
Hashtag, I know you accused me of being patronising / condescending etc - but if I'm being really honest, it's really hard not to be when I see utter drivel written like this.
Are you saying if results continue in this vain long term, you would keep him indefinitely?
Any manager with 1 win in 13 would certainly come under far more criticism.
I said when Stockport were managerless, the key to success under Phil was the ability for him and the board to balance mutual respect of looking after him, but not turning this in to Philtrincham Football Club, theres only so many weeks we can remain winless.
I'm not suggesting we sack him this afternoon; but at some point if "if results don't pick up" he has to take as much responsibility. He signed these players.
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Managers get sacked after far shorter runs of failure than PP is currently overseeing. However, unless the board identify a proven available manager at this level BEFORE taking a knee-jeek decision, we're far better off trusting PP to get his act together. We should only be using the S word if there's a danger of relegation, and I don't see that as a threat quite yet.
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There needs in my view to be an alternative to the very pretty but regularly unproductive tippy tippy, pass it about and play out from the back....occasionally
What's wrong sometimes with clearing the lines to a proper CF who can hold it up and play people in.
Lee Sinnott made no secret of his preferred style of playing - much like Parkinsons. However he had the likes of Kyle Perry and Michael Ransome to allow us to change things and take the pressure off
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
You don't consistently under perform for so long if there's not an issue somewhere. The fact we turn up 2nd Half suggested things must be said at HT that aren't be adhered to first half.
But we're not consistently underperforming, we're going through a rough patch. It's christmas, we're 12th in the National League and you're questioning the manager? I'm not sure what you're looking for but I think he's getting absolutely everything from this squad he can. The fact you're questioning it just shows how much we've come on in the last few years.
Let's not lose sight of the aim for Altrincham in this division at the moment, which is to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle and to try and establish ourselves in this league. We're definitely doing that at this moment. I agree we're on a poor run and it needs to pick up but watch any "Philtrincham" team and you know that we're in every game and results will eventually come.
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Well said Golfroader. 👍
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We're 12th in the league, for Christ's sake. Anyone familiar with the concept of 'form'?
I look forward to winning a couple on the bounce so everyone can debate whether or not we're getting promoted.
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Parkinson can join if results don't pick up.
Get a grip mate.
Hashtag, I know you accused me of being patronising / condescending etc - but if I'm being really honest, it's really hard not to be when I see utter drivel written like this.
That means talking down to people Hashtag ;)
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Is there any feedback from the management team over the debacle the other night or any highlights?
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Wow, I'd actually missed the person suggesting he'd lost the players, that's worse than anything Hashtag has said.
Oh wait, it was Hashtag ;D
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Is there any feedback from the management team over the debacle the other night or any highlights?
I'm already depressed - I don't need to see "highlights" of us getting dicked by NPL opposition.
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Both of our goals were highlights. The rest can be edited out :D
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There was one positive in that no one needed have worried about social distancing! SBL
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
You don't consistently under perform for so long if there's not an issue somewhere. The fact we turn up 2nd Half suggested things must be said at HT that aren't be adhered to first half.
But we're not consistently underperforming, we're going through a rough patch. It's christmas, we're 12th in the National League and you're questioning the manager? I'm not sure what you're looking for but I think he's getting absolutely everything from this squad he can. The fact you're questioning it just shows how much we've come on in the last few years.
Let's not lose sight of the aim for Altrincham in this division at the moment, which is to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle and to try and establish ourselves in this league. We're definitely doing that at this moment. I agree we're on a poor run and it needs to pick up but watch any "Philtrincham" team and you know that we're in every game and results will eventually come.
Find me a single manager with a 1 in 12 record that wasn't questioned.
Find a manager immune from critisim where it included failing to beat lower division sides 3 times in a month.
Phil's players are underperforming, that's as much on him as it is the players.
How many games without a upturn would you give him? 1 win in 16? 20?
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Wow, I'd actually missed the person suggesting he'd lost the players, that's worse than anything Hashtag has said.
Oh wait, it was Hashtag ;D
I questioned if he had. Somethings gone badly wrong in the dressing room to have such chalk and cheese first half and 2nd half displays week in week out.
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Dan Cockerline netted again yesterday against Kings Lynn with what seems to have been a good run and finish
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He hasn't lost the players. They gave absolutely everything v Bromley.
I think what PP needs to start doing, is shedding a few of the players who simply are not performing. Last night was a good opportunity to see who those players are.
Then we need the miracle of finding a goalscoring striker who can take advantage of the brilliant service provided by Kosy, Mooney and Colclough. There must be one. Jeez, they could fill their boots with those 3 players around them.
We will raise our game v Stockport and Wrexham and get points.
You don't consistently under perform for so long if there's not an issue somewhere. The fact we turn up 2nd Half suggested things must be said at HT that aren't be adhered to first half.
But we're not consistently underperforming, we're going through a rough patch. It's christmas, we're 12th in the National League and you're questioning the manager? I'm not sure what you're looking for but I think he's getting absolutely everything from this squad he can. The fact you're questioning it just shows how much we've come on in the last few years.
Let's not lose sight of the aim for Altrincham in this division at the moment, which is to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle and to try and establish ourselves in this league. We're definitely doing that at this moment. I agree we're on a poor run and it needs to pick up but watch any "Philtrincham" team and you know that we're in every game and results will eventually come.
Find me a single manager with a 1 in 12 record that wasn't questioned.
Find a manager immune from critisim where it included failing to beat lower division sides 3 times in a month.
Phil's players are underperforming, that's as much on him as it is the players.
How many games without a upturn would you give him? 1 win in 16? 20?
I’m looking at the bigger picture. Focusing on a certain run of games can lead to rash reactions and emotional decision making. I’ll question Phil and his methods when we’re in danger of being relegated. As far as I’m concerned if we’re 12th in the division at Christmas he is immune to criticism. A poor run of results doesn’t change that.
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That's how we ended up with a dual relegation.
No manager or player should be 'immune' from criticism.
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That's how we ended up with a dual relegation.
No manager or player should be 'immune' from criticism.
Sinnott was heavily criticised by many. SinnOUT..?
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Difference between criticised, questioned and fired though. Frankly even if we went down who would you rather have in charge to get us back up? See Norwich: went down, stuck with him and bounced straight back. Sacked him this time though but I can’t see how that’s going to help them. Clubs have a natural ceiling and if your manager can keep you at or near it then keep them, sometimes lack of progress is down to something more fundamental than the manager. Both ourselves (until we go full time) and Norwich are in that place at the moment.
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Difference between criticised, questioned and fired though. Frankly even if we went down who would you rather have in charge to get us back up? See Norwich: went down, stuck with him and bounced straight back. Sacked him this time though but I can’t see how that’s going to help them. Clubs have a natural ceiling and if your manager can keep you at or near it then keep them, sometimes lack of progress is down to something more fundamental than the manager. Both ourselves (until we go full time) and Norwich are in that place at the moment.
Nobody has said to fire him at this stage. I said some players should go, and if results continue Parky can follow.
We really need something to change, be it tactic, signings or eventually the manager will have to go.
We are a bigger fish at National level, than Norwich are to the premier league.
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Everyone is on here because they love Alty. You are no exception but some of the time your opinions, although you're fully entitled to them, make me start to doubt it.
You seem to be a professional kneejerker.
The points about some of the squad are valid enough but I think Parky is doing the very best he can given our situation and I shudder to think where we'd be if he left.
If we can't find a number nine, where would we find someone to replace him?!
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That's how we ended up with a dual relegation.
No manager or player should be 'immune' from criticism.
You're right, Sinnott should have gone earlier - but those were different times and I'd like to think we'd never let things get that far out of hand before being decisive. As for the following season, I don't sign up to the 'it could have been saved' nonsense - Neil Young was responsible for the most catastrophic recruitment window we've ever witnessed, before 'doing a Lord Frost' and doing a runner - supposedly retiring from the game! - when he realised how far he'd screwed it.
We come on the forum and question selections week in, week out - hindsight is great - but to suggest there's something wrong in the dressing room when we're coming back from 2 goals down away from home is, in my opinion, well wide of the mark.
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Everyone is on here because they love Alty. You are no exception but some of the time your opinions, although you're fully entitled to them, make me start to doubt it.
You seem to be a professional kneejerker.
The points about some of the squad are valid enough but I think Parky is doing the very best he can given our situation and I shudder to think where we'd be if he left.
If we can't find a number nine, where would we find someone to replace him?!
Rob said we had a plan if we lost Parkinson for positive reasons, I'd like to hope we have a plan B.
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Everyone is on here because they love Alty. You are no exception but some of the time your opinions, although you're fully entitled to them, make me start to doubt it.
You seem to be a professional kneejerker.
The points about some of the squad are valid enough but I think Parky is doing the very best he can given our situation and I shudder to think where we'd be if he left.
If we can't find a number nine, where would we find someone to replace him?!
I'm not Kneejerk. 1 in 14 is pretty poor going at any level especially with 3 games against sides in the leagues below.
I was pretty level headed on our recent podcast. That was 1 win in 8, its now 1 in 14
We've had huge upheavel in the covid, loan market, and generally poor first half performance. Somethings upset the momentum more than just the ground.
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I'm talking about the comments re the manager really.
Most of the other stuff is not a great deal different from the majority on here if I'm honest
However, it's not long since people were worried about losing PP and were chuffed when he signed up long term.
I believe the biggest problem was not being able to go hybrid at the start of the season. I'd imagine his targets were full timers and that all fell through along with delay in going hybrid but we'll never know will we?
Hence the lack of a decent number nine which is the root of the problem.
There are other factors of course but I think Parky is dealing with the situation as best he can and once we've survived this year, and we will, hybrid will mean we could see the departures you are advocating.
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I'm talking about the comments re the manager really.
Most of the other stuff is not a great deal different from the majority on here if I'm honest
However, it's not long since people were worried about losing PP and were chuffed when he signed up long term.
I believe the biggest problem was not being able to go hybrid at the start of the season. I'd imagine his targets were full timers and that all fell through along with delay in going hybrid but we'll never know will we?
Hence the lack of a decent number nine which is the root of the problem.
There are other factors of course but I think Parky is dealing with the situation as best he can and once we've survived this year, and we will, hybrid will mean we could see the departures you are advocating.
The other factor is, hopefully, the salary cap coming in for next season. I'm sure the may be some out-of-contract sponsorship deals at big clubs but hopefully it'll free up some better players.
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I think it is somewhat knee-jerk to even think about Parkie's position.
We are the best semi-pro team in the country and, despite a recent poor run of results, are in a reasonable mid table position.
Indeed, we cannot find a No9, but it is somewhat difficult to find a decent No9 within our pay scale as a good striker is likely to be the one wanting the most readies!
However, what impressed me with the loss to Notts County was a change in formation, Man Cityesque, which looked to me like we were not trying to play a No9 for the sake of it, but having a false 9. It was innovative for Parkie and sounded good.
AND....could we get anyone better?
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AND....could we get anyone better?
That is the question anybody who wants a manager sacked needs to ask.
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With the exception of Southend (who were a league club last season of course) - could you look at any of the last 12 fixtures and label it a 'surprise defeat'? We've picked up points at places we didn't last season, like Yeovil Aldershot and Chesterfield.
We're competitive and not being clinical enough, I bet half the teams up and down the country say that every weekend. We're sat in 12th place, a part-time team in a predominantly full-time league, we're 10 points clear of the drop, we're miles better than the bottom four sides in this league and Parky is picking up his battle scars along the way which will continue to stand him in good stead as he learns.
To even suggest that we might consider letting him go soon is utterly ridiculous, like Sean Dyche at Burnley - unless he's very clearly lost the dressing room and the team have given up on the pitch like the double relegation era - I'd even say he's earned a shot at taking us down and bringing us back up - and that won't even happen this season. He'll be all the stronger for it in the close season, regardless of where we finish, when he gets the chance to shape our squad again.
It's probably important we have all our saleable assets on contract and negotiate good sell-on % - the way Alistair Smith is going at the moment makes me think we could eventually be in line for a little windfall there.
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It's worth bearing in mind that, as John Laidlar noted I his site, we have only lost one game this season by more than a single goal (Halifax away, 2-0). Bad teams at our level take a hiding on a regular basis - we are NOT a bad team, but there are a few adjustments needed. Apart from the elephant in the room wearing a number 9 shirt, we still concede too many free kicks in dangerous positions, and too many far post goals from corners. We're not a million miles away from being successful. We've come a long way in a comparatively short time. It's all fixable. Patience is, as ever, a virtue.
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It's worth bearing in mind that, as John Laidlar noted I his site, we have only lost one game this season by more than a single goal (Halifax away, 2-0). Bad teams at our level take a hiding on a regular basis - we are NOT a bad team, but there are a few adjustments needed. Apart from the elephant in the room wearing a number 9 shirt, we still concede too many free kicks in dangerous positions, and too many far post goals from corners. We're not a million miles away from being successful. We've come a long way in a comparatively short time. It's all fixable. Patience is, as ever, a virtue.
I know we might have had 1 or 2 more portly No9s, but.....
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Would you be referring to one Mr Tunnacliffe?