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[bumble]

Did people really expect we'd be on 18 from 18 points? 16 from 18?......having only seen the friendlies but reading the reports of matches we have actually not been far away from that tally with a team still gelling against hardened savy BSN opponents who see us as a scalp.....a few wins on the bounce and the confidence will eliminate the shaky defence leaking goals.....from what i've heard we should have murdered harrogate, should have won yesterday, matched hyde etc.
I'm sure the manager will be taking steps to cut out the errors, we are at least scoring goals and from the vids and the friendlies we have quite a lot of creativity and if we can get stronger as a defensive unit but maintain the attack then we will go on a run.......imagine if we weren't scoring or creating anything....I have faith in the management...they know this level and everything looked good pre season....obviously just needs a tweak....
A realistic aim this season is play offs and then anything can happen...I'd honestly be happy with being in contention all season and a top 10 finish.....then next season I'd be looking at being favourites for promotion....

Erm, I expected double figures by now? 10 points, 3 wins, 2 lost, 1 draw isn't asking that much
I expected to win more than one game!
Should we not get promoted, there's a chance of FC, Chorley, Chester ect.. Coming up making promotion next year much harder!


However I'm not panicking, i said I'd wait till 8 games, and that I will do...

FC and Buxton (I think?) went on crazy runs after new year and ended up in PO's last season... So anything can happen

[Ballers]

I agree so much with this we should never lower our goals, beliefs or expectations if we do we have failed

Nobody wants to be "fannying around" in this league indefinitely.  The goal should always be promotion back to the BSP and noone should lower that as an aim, but some of the talk on here before a ball was kicked in this league was how we were going to waltz away with it with absolutely no problem. Yes, we have players who competed in the BSP last season, but look where we finished. Being a big club in the league you're in doesn't give you any divine right to anything. Talk of "pub league" and "tinpot" teams did nothing for our ambition, if anything quite possibly the opposite, a perfect way to spur the opposition (if they needed any further reason). We were always going to be the 'big' team that others wanted to take down a peg or three

We all want the same thing, to be back in the BSP, but we are where we are on merit (unfortunately). I was never going to be surprised if it took us more than one season to achieve our aim, maybe that makes me a glass half full man, but it does not lessen my desire to be back at national level.

Totally agree with this analysis of the position. I fear you're not wrong about the budget and I agree that getting back into the top division was always likely to take time - something which those with limited knowledge or experience of the level we are now at clearly did not appreciate. I hope people will now get more realistic.

More absolute rot and the most infuriating thing I've read, if we'd come down here totally blind to Conference North football like Oxford did to the BSP then we'd deserve a kick up the arse but to suggest that's the case is insulting to all of us who spent 5 years traipsing around the hell holes of the Unibond getting patted on the head by Radcliffe Borough fans, those of us who are demanding we punch at or above our weight have been here before, hell I've played at most of these places and the key word here is demand. Getting promoted asap isnt just something nice or something we'd like to happen it's a necessity. Perhpas if the team were more aware of this they would've scrapped as if they're lives depended on it to keep the 9 points or so we've thrown away this season.

I'm not saying they didn't try just that they should be under pressure like it was a six game run in to the end of the season. For me, I don't see that sheer desire to drag ourselves up by the bootlaces into where we belong (the BSP) that was there last time and that's people around the club I'm talking of.

We can't go around saying we can't compete with bigger clubs in the BSP then when the roles are reversed say exactly the same thing. In some ways Lee Sinnott is only doing what he can and the real frustration may be why the board cannot attract new investment into a solvent football club with a loyal fanbase and why we're scrabbling at Harrogate, Vauxhall and Hyde whose average attendance put together only just matches ours. Food for thought.

[fuertes]

More absolute rot and the most infuriating thing I've read, if we'd come down here totally blind to Conference North football like Oxford did to the BSP then we'd deserve a kick up the arse but to suggest that's the case is insulting to all of us who spent 5 years traipsing around the hell holes of the Unibond getting patted on the head by Radcliffe Borough fans, those of us who are demanding we punch at or above our weight have been here before, hell I've played at most of these places and the key word here is demand. Getting promoted asap isnt just something nice or something we'd like to happen it's a necessity. Perhpas if the team were more aware of this they would've scrapped as if they're lives depended on it to keep the 9 points or so we've thrown away this season.

I'm not saying they didn't try just that they should be under pressure like it was a six game run in to the end of the season. For me, I don't see that sheer desire to drag ourselves up by the bootlaces into where we belong (the BSP) that was there last time and that's people around the club I'm talking of.

We can't go around saying we can't compete with bigger clubs in the BSP then when the roles are reversed say exactly the same thing. In some ways Lee Sinnott is only doing what he can and the real frustration may be why the board cannot attract new investment into a solvent football club with a loyal fanbase and why we're scrabbling at Harrogate, Vauxhall and Hyde whose average attendance put together only just matches ours. Food for thought.

Ah, so that's our problem? We're not demanding enough and the players aren't trying hard enough? Well, I'm glad you worked that out. Be sure to give Sinnott a call, I'm sure he'll be grateful for your insight.

And what the hell having seen Altrincham play Radcliffe Borough six years ago has to do with a detailed knowledge of the 2011/12 Conference North I have no idea.

This division was never going to be easy. Look at other teams who came in with high expectations: Halifax; Boston; Nuneaton. The best-placed of any of them is Nuneaton in 9th - and they've only won 2 out of 6. Are they also just happy to meander along? Content with mediocrity? Or might it be that this division, shock horror, isn't a f**king cakewalk?

I still don't think we'll be far off the leaders by the end, FWIW. It's only August. Might be worth giving the new management and playing staff a bit of time to see what they can do 

[Number23]

It's only August. Might be worth giving the new management and playing staff a bit of time to see what they can do 

Hit's the nail firmly on the head.

I'm sure no-one at the club is happy or satisfied with the return so far and I'm sure the management and players can see as well as we do (hopefully better) where the need to improve things. Give them the chance to make that happen.

[Ballers]

More absolute rot and the most infuriating thing I've read, if we'd come down here totally blind to Conference North football like Oxford did to the BSP then we'd deserve a kick up the arse but to suggest that's the case is insulting to all of us who spent 5 years traipsing around the hell holes of the Unibond getting patted on the head by Radcliffe Borough fans, those of us who are demanding we punch at or above our weight have been here before, hell I've played at most of these places and the key word here is demand. Getting promoted asap isnt just something nice or something we'd like to happen it's a necessity. Perhpas if the team were more aware of this they would've scrapped as if they're lives depended on it to keep the 9 points or so we've thrown away this season.

I'm not saying they didn't try just that they should be under pressure like it was a six game run in to the end of the season. For me, I don't see that sheer desire to drag ourselves up by the bootlaces into where we belong (the BSP) that was there last time and that's people around the club I'm talking of.

We can't go around saying we can't compete with bigger clubs in the BSP then when the roles are reversed say exactly the same thing. In some ways Lee Sinnott is only doing what he can and the real frustration may be why the board cannot attract new investment into a solvent football club with a loyal fanbase and why we're scrabbling at Harrogate, Vauxhall and Hyde whose average attendance put together only just matches ours. Food for thought.

Ah, so that's our problem? We're not demanding enough and the players aren't trying hard enough? Well, I'm glad you worked that out. Be sure to give Sinnott a call, I'm sure he'll be grateful for your insight.

And what the hell having seen Altrincham play Radcliffe Borough six years ago has to do with a detailed knowledge of the 2011/12 Conference North I have no idea.

This division was never going to be easy. Look at other teams who came in with high expectations: Halifax; Boston; Nuneaton. The best-placed of any of them is Nuneaton in 9th - and they've only won 2 out of 6. Are they also just happy to meander along? Content with mediocrity? Or might it be that this division, shock horror, isn't a f**king cakewalk?

I still don't think we'll be far off the leaders by the end, FWIW. It's only August. Might be worth giving the new management and playing staff a bit of time to see what they can do  

That's one of the best 'missing the point entirely' replies I've ever read. To put it in more simple terms for you I'm saying that those who think we should be doing better realise from our previous experience that it won't be a f**king cakewalk but we shouldn't have to lower our expectations.

The bit about probably the team probably not realising the impact of dropped points at this stage due to possibly not having high enough expectations was probably easy enough for anyone with experience or knowledge of non league football but there you go...

[Saughall Robin]

More absolute rot and the most infuriating thing I've read, if we'd come down here totally blind to Conference North football like Oxford did to the BSP then we'd deserve a kick up the arse but to suggest that's the case is insulting to all of us who spent 5 years traipsing around the hell holes of the Unibond getting patted on the head by Radcliffe Borough fans, those of us who are demanding we punch at or above our weight have been here before, hell I've played at most of these places and the key word here is demand. Getting promoted asap isnt just something nice or something we'd like to happen it's a necessity. Perhpas if the team were more aware of this they would've scrapped as if they're lives depended on it to keep the 9 points or so we've thrown away this season.

I'm not saying they didn't try just that they should be under pressure like it was a six game run in to the end of the season. For me, I don't see that sheer desire to drag ourselves up by the bootlaces into where we belong (the BSP) that was there last time and that's people around the club I'm talking of.

We can't go around saying we can't compete with bigger clubs in the BSP then when the roles are reversed say exactly the same thing. In some ways Lee Sinnott is only doing what he can and the real frustration may be why the board cannot attract new investment into a solvent football club with a loyal fanbase and why we're scrabbling at Harrogate, Vauxhall and Hyde whose average attendance put together only just matches ours. Food for thought.

Ah, so that's our problem? We're not demanding enough and the players aren't trying hard enough? Well, I'm glad you worked that out. Be sure to give Sinnott a call, I'm sure he'll be grateful for your insight.

And what the hell having seen Altrincham play Radcliffe Borough six years ago has to do with a detailed knowledge of the 2011/12 Conference North I have no idea.

This division was never going to be easy. Look at other teams who came in with high expectations: Halifax; Boston; Nuneaton. The best-placed of any of them is Nuneaton in 9th - and they've only won 2 out of 6. Are they also just happy to meander along? Content with mediocrity? Or might it be that this division, shock horror, isn't a f**king cakewalk?

I still don't think we'll be far off the leaders by the end, FWIW. It's only August. Might be worth giving the new management and playing staff a bit of time to see what they can do 

That's one of the best 'missing the point entirely' replies I've ever read. To put it in more simple terms for you I'm saying that those who think we should be doing better realise from our previous experience that it won't be a f**king cakewalk but we shouldn't have to lower our expectations.

The bit about probably the team probably not realising the impact of dropped points at this stage due to possibly not having high enough explanations was probably easy enough for anyone with experience or knowledge of non league football but there you go...

Could you pace your replies a little please Ballers as the system won't allow me to give you Goodwins at the same rate as you have been "Stating the bl**ding obvious" to people who seem determined to misunderstand you!

[Mrs Warbouys]

I don't think anyone has a problem being out spent, out gunned and out played by most sides in the bsp, but we should not lower standards or expectations  due to relegation,and something is seriously wrong if we are being out spent or out fought by some clubs in this league

[fuertes]

I don't think anyone has a problem being out spent, out gunned and out played by most sides in the bsp, but we should not lower standards or expectations  due to relegation,and something is seriously wrong if we are being out spent or out fought by some clubs in this league

Is something seriously wrong if we're outspent? What crowds do Halifax get? How much cash have they got kicking about? And anyway, we can't control how much other teams spend. All we can do is spend as much as we can afford to build as good a team as possible within the confines of keeping the club secure. I trust this is what the board are doing.

That's one of the best 'missing the point entirely' replies I've ever read. To put it in more simple terms for you I'm saying that those who think we should be doing better realise from our previous experience that it won't be a f**king cakewalk but we shouldn't have to lower our expectations.

The bit about probably the team probably not realising the impact of dropped points at this stage due to possibly not having high enough explanations was probably easy enough for anyone with experience or knowledge of non league football but there you go...

Missing the point? The only point you seem to be making centres on a strawman argument about everyone to do with Altrincham Football Club accepting regional football because they have no ambition. What is this bizarre claim based on??

We came down with a fairly poor side last year. My expectations are that Lee Sinnott builds a title-challenging BSBN side within two seasons and gets us up within a maximum of three. If we finish sixth this year as he tweeks things, I'll accept it. Is that not a reasonable outlook for an Altrincham fan? Ambitious but realistic?

I actually don't understand the second point. Do you mean expectations rather than explanations? And if so, do you genuinely believe we're dropping points because the players don't think it matters at this point in the season? And that that in turn is because we/Sinnott/the board/someone hasn't shouted from the rooftops that anything less than promotion is a miserable failure?