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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on May 07, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
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Say someone did it, say someone spoke to the STAR board and then agreed to mothball it..say someone started a pure and simple supporters association.
One aim..to raise money for your club. No politics..no shares....just fundraising.
It would go two ways.....
If it fell on the same five people to do everything it would fail
If twenty people did a little bit who knows....
We'd need new people, old faces..everyone. Could it work?
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I believe, especially in the current climate, that this is the ideal way for us as fans to channel our energy and enthusiasm. I would help in whatever way I could given that I live so far away.
I would be 100% behind such a plan.
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Hear Hear...
Its got to be worth trying..
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I'm not sure what I would be able to do from Ormskirk, but I too would support such a plan. I could certainly do any printing/copying given my teaching background. Great idea Ecky.
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I think it's a fantastic idea. There's a hardcore on this board that could easily take the responsibility and do amazing things with it.
If I can do anything as an exile (move to London in July) then count me in.
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Can I say this is very encouraging already ...
I am 100miles away but would do 'what I can' ..
I know there are people who are scared of not being able to do as much as they may think is expected but lets be honest NOTHING is expected so anything is a total bonus.
If £2,000 or £20,000+ was raised its still money the club wouldn't have had before so got to be a good idea ?.
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Its about people not having to give their lives, sacrifice their families, and eventually say enough is enough and leave. Thats what we would have to work towards.
When there is a few of you its so much easier.
I remember from the old days people who didn't think they could help often could, as someone above put, they could design posters etc
They may know someone who can get some leaflets printed, someone who would look after the accounts (simple stuff, again its not as scary as you may think).
Or they may be successful businessman or woman with no time but who would pay £50 to get a load of flyers done to help.
There are so many new faces at Alty these days...
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Balls to it, might as well grab the bull by the horns.
I've set up an email to co-ordinate things from: altysupporters@gmail.com. If there's one thing I'm any good at it's the internet/computer side.
If you feel you could help/contribute to the Alty Supporters Association (yes, the name can and probably should be changed, but ASA will do for now), send an email with your name, location, and any particular thing you can help out with (like mentioned, poster designs etc.).
Also, any ideas you have, send them this way too (although I don't want to conflict with ideas4alty..?)
Ecky and Gaz, PM/mail me if you want the log-in.
Let's put all this fustration behind us and get behind the club. This is our way of giving to the club; any ideas, big, small, or stupid welcome.
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This is what is needed more than anything.
When there was SAFE, there was a clear direction on what the money was for, saving the club. Now i think that has gone a bit and its time for something new.
I'd suggest that this is done with a few basic principles:
1. We give the money to the club and let them decide how it is spent, in Goodwin we trust. There is no emphasis on a shareholding of the club or a say in boardroom matters.
2. Our only return from the club is a monthly or bi-monthly (or similar) fans forum where our ideas/concerns/opinions can be expressed to the board and they have the opportunity to answer back and tell us of progression from previous forums.
3. The board have no obligation to carry out our proposals.
4. We never discuss what money raised should be spent on, but only discuss the general direction the club should take, in order to express our opinions to the board. If the board disagree, see point 3.
5. Finally we set up a members only forum admin'd by ecky or GW or hughesy or whoever so that members have a place to discuss things to raise in forums with the club. Members only in order to stop trolls and because it only relates to alty fans.
With simple principles like this it becomes easy to say 'We will raise money for the club' knowing that is exactly what it is for and no other concerns or agendas can get in the way.
im up for it. i'll donate 20 euro's a month through paypal or whatever until my dying day, and do all I can from here.
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I co-ordinated the team picture / advertising poster last season - funded by local businesses - as i work in marketing, and have printing contacts / mac designers within easy reach.
With the best will in the world, the club simply lack a cohesive approach to marketing the club effectively - as some have noted with PR! - which can simply be a "time and common sense" approach, rather than "throwing money at it".
The volunteers at the club are immense, and should be commended, but the more ideas thrown into the mix...then who knows?
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Maybe it could be combined with Ideas4Alty rather than having 2 separate strands?
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I co-ordinated the team picture / advertising poster last season - funded by local businesses - as i work in marketing, and have printing contacts / mac designers within easy reach.
With the best will in the world, the club simply lack a cohesive approach to marketing the club effectively - as some have noted with PR! - which can simply be a "time and common sense" approach, rather than "throwing money at it".
The volunteers at the club are immense, and should be commended, but the more ideas thrown into the mix...then who knows?
Those posters were superb and thats is exactly the kind of post we need.
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Maybe it could be combined with Ideas4Alty rather than having 2 separate strands?
This possibility is being looked at and with one hugely successful existing fundraising scheme continuing again next season it seems ideal to carry it forward as part of a new and revitalised supporters association.
Watch this space....
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In addition to emailing the above address, could anybody interested in helping with the proposed supporters association please pm me with your full name, email address and (if possible) a contact telephone number. I am currently compiling a list of interested parties in order to gauge the initial core of people who want to move this idea forward.
Thanks in advance.
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Ecky, DAB and Ideas4alty I agree with you wholeheartedly. Ive spent all week wishing that something could be done to lift the club. Never have I felt so demoralised since supporting Alty than on the return coach from Weymouth. I would support a new supporters association and admit I never joined STAR partly because I feel a supporters association should have a voice and where the supporters disagree with the club on a matter it should state this publicly, just as when the organisation supports the club then it does so without question. I would feel uneasy sitting on a committee though that works hard to raise money and then hands it over no questions asked.
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I think we should always aim to use money effectivly and have something to show for it if possible... Whether thats a players wage , extending club house, general smartening up of the place, anything ...
people always give more if they can see what the money has gone towards.
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Would it be an idea with things up in the air at the moment to have a provisional meeting before the club's forum eithera previous day/night or even an hour before so that we can inform the board of our intentions and make the forum into a positive meeting. There will be many issues to discuss but at the end of the day whatever concerns are raised the board have made their decisions. So lets be proactive.
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Jesus, I contribute about helping the club and get peaked twice! How bizarre
I think we should always aim to use money effectivly and have something to show for it if possible... Whether thats a players wage , extending club house, general smartening up of the place, anything ...
people always give more if they can see what the money has gone towards.
Good thinking. It'd be great if we could say "yes, we've payed to fix the ground up" or "yes, we've paid for that players wages". On the flipside, the idea of us not getting involved in the politics and just raising cash for the club, for them to do with as they wish, is also a good plan.
Think we're going to need to have a proper discussion about how this is run, to keep as many people happy as we can, but more importantly to benefit the club as much as possible.
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I think the big difference is that we should 'try' and get something for the money BUT if the club was desperate for money then we should give it if we have it. We know this board would only ask if desperate and would not take us for granted.
I think we can have a good relationship with the board and they would respect that its not a bottomless pit and that the first priority is to improve the ground or have something to show for if... If the club need the money then I suppose what we have to show for it IS A CLUB !
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I think you're right that we need something to aim at for fundraising.
I'd help, as I said to Ecky, I'm v busy right at the moment as I'm sure other people are but it doesn't have to be all consuming. If 100 people will give up 10 minutes of their time, that's a lot of man hours. I could easily, er sell raffle tickets in Alty one day just for a start.
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Tricky to help out with young family and livin gin Bath but this looks like a really good idea. How about asking the board what they would like us to raise money for - they stay in control of things and what ever we do would fit in their plans but we have a specific target to aim for. Once we've achieved a particular challenge we go back to the board and ask for the next one.
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Tricky to help out with young family and livin gin Bath but this looks like a really good idea. How about asking the board what they would like us to raise money for - they stay in control of things and what ever we do would fit in their plans but we have a specific target to aim for. Once we've achieved a particular challenge we go back to the board and ask for the next one.
A gin bath is a good idea!
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Is there anyone from STAR that has an opinion on this proposal?
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I would certainly join a new set up. SAFE and STAR were a little before my time
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I spoke to someone from the STAR board before it was really made public on here and the reaction was VERY positive.
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You might think I'm barking mad here, (I've had the Peakeing from hell over the FCUM debate) but if a collective fund raising organisation is to be, then how about aiming for something really big that members could look back on and say, " I was a part of that"?
A roof over Chequers,( Yeovil fans did it?), another cantilever section to the popular side, or perhaps an extension of the bar into the open side area so it could take another 50 or so and maybe a pool table or darts area, giving the place potential for use of an evening?
Big stuff and not overnight but a real statement of intent and progression for the club, possibility of 50% trust grants too.
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You might think I'm barking mad here, (I've had the Peakeing from hell over the FCUM debate) but if a collective fund raising organisation is to be, then how about aiming for something really big that members could look back on and say, " I was a part of that"?
A roof over Chequers,( Yeovil fans did it?), another cantilever section to the popular side, or perhaps an extension of the bar into the open side area so it could take another 50 or so and maybe a pool table or darts area, giving the place potential for use of an evening?
Big stuff and not overnight but a real statement of intent and progression for the club, possibility of 50% trust grants too.
Absolutely brilliant idea. I think bringing in the ASA with a major fundraising challenge is brilliant, something to really aim for.
Perhaps something that should be brought up at the fans forum, as to what the club would like us most to aim for, and a total?
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You might think I'm barking mad here, (I've had the Peakeing from hell over the FCUM debate) but if a collective fund raising organisation is to be, then how about aiming for something really big that members could look back on and say, " I was a part of that"?
A roof over Chequers,( Yeovil fans did it?), another cantilever section to the popular side, or perhaps an extension of the bar into the open side area so it could take another 50 or so and maybe a pool table or darts area, giving the place potential for use of an evening?
Big stuff Sand not overnight but a real statement of intent and progression for the club, possibility of 50% trust grants too.
I think you are a little mad to suggest we roof the away end just to stop 10 Solihull fans getting wet.
The bar idea is a brilliant one though. That would be an investment that would make more money for the club.
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Tricky to help out with young family and livin gin Bath but this looks like a really good idea. How about asking the board what they would like us to raise money for - they stay in control of things and what ever we do would fit in their plans but we have a specific target to aim for. Once we've achieved a particular challenge we go back to the board and ask for the next one.
We've heard a lot about new toilets/floodlights etc. This supporters trust could be used to pay for things in the ground like this, an extended bar etc, therefore leaving the board to concentrate constant income from gates etc to use on the playing squad. Therefore killing 2 birds with one stone so to speak.
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i think the setting up of an internet fund raising group is a good move and totally agree that we should get the board to give us one project to aim for
For possibly the first time in my life i agree 100% with SW (joke steve) i think the bar extension and refurb is a winner.
i will chip in as much as i can with weekend vouchers and small donations etc but think we need to get something bizarre and differnet going.
may be a drunken internet team gathering in the NWS during the summer with access for those who cant make it
(i believe its called wireless )lets try and do something different that gets us noticed and the 30,000 people who live in alty that dont know we exist behind us ina tits out wi type way
ps i'll go topless
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Happy to help with any input with the photography.
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Say someone did it, say someone spoke to the STAR board and then agreed to mothball it..say someone started a pure and simple supporters association.
One aim..to raise money for your club. No politics..no shares....just fundraising.
It would go two ways.....
If it fell on the same five people to do everything it would fail
If twenty people did a little bit who knows....
We'd need new people, old faces..everyone. Could it work?
This was raised exactly two years ago. STAR would cease it's fundraising role and just maintain (and hopefully protect) it's shareholding. and a new supporters association would be set up for the purpose of fundraising. I seem to recall the board were all for it at the time. What happened?
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I was talking with the membership secretary of STAR in bed last night (I am married to him!!!!), and all this talk of mothballing STAR was discussed about at the AGM I understand, and that this could possibly take place fairly soon. Maybe before you get all these fantastic ideas going, a proper decision needs to be made, with the STAR board, so that people who are STAR members know where they stand, and don't think they are going to contributing to two different organisations, and so that we can all be working together for the club.
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ps i'll go topless
i will pledge money for that not to happen
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Say someone did it, say someone spoke to the STAR board and then agreed to mothball it..say someone started a pure and simple supporters association.
One aim..to raise money for your club. No politics..no shares....just fundraising.
It would go two ways.....
If it fell on the same five people to do everything it would fail
If twenty people did a little bit who knows....
We'd need new people, old faces..everyone. Could it work?
This was raised exactly two years ago. STAR would cease it's fundraising role and just maintain (and hopefully protect) it's shareholding. and a new supporters association would be set up for the purpose of fundraising. I seem to recall the board were all for it at the time. What happened?
A STAR SGM was held with this as a motion, there was a long debate and the motion was defeated. The Club Board spoke against it also.
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Tricky to help out with young family and livin gin Bath but this looks like a really good idea. How about asking the board what they would like us to raise money for - they stay in control of things and what ever we do would fit in their plans but we have a specific target to aim for. Once we've achieved a particular challenge we go back to the board and ask for the next one.
We've heard a lot about new toilets/floodlights etc. This supporters trust could be used to pay for things in the ground like this, an extended bar etc, therefore leaving the board to concentrate constant income from gates etc to use on the playing squad. Therefore killing 2 birds with one stone so to speak.
Or a few pigeons