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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: oneedham on December 15, 2007, 08:19:37 PM
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I could not go to the game today as I had to work but spoke to my mate who went.
SAME OLD BL**DY STORY
Graham please change it. I said weeks, no it must be months back that if we defend we will go down and its getting worst. I can not remember many games when we have won with O'Neil in the side, get rid of him, he is maybe low in confidence but he is also sh*te. Sedgemore, there is more energy in my little finger, no heart, lazy, does not cover and pointless. Give logan a flaming go, play Whalley it ain't rocket science.
Graham will have a reason why Scotty pleyed a man marking game today but I think Graham thinks too much into tactics now a days. He shows to much respect to teams and has negative tatics. It is knocking years off my life watching us play this season. I would rather see us at least go for it for teams from the off. Instead, we wait until we are 1,2 or 3 down before we decide we need to change it and chance the game against full time teams. It is crap tactics and will see us go down.
Graham has spoke about new faces in January, it seems like he has given up until then. We can get at least 6 points over christmas period with the games against Northwich. I would not criticise Graham if he went all out attack at least at home. I am sure most of the fans would like to see an attacking team and just bloody go for it, let us get a goal or two lead. At home we should not be playing a centre mid on the wing in Peyton, he can never take people on and will never get to the by-line, as for O'Neil on the right wing, he can't actually do anything, even up front, total garbage!!!
Team
GK Coburn
RB Lane
LB Peyton or Scotty
CB Shotton
CB Tinson
LW Logan
RW Robbie
CM Whalley
CM Val ( when fit ) whilst unfit Robbie or Peyton, I reckon Logan can even do a job on the right wing cutting in and smashing shots at the goal, Ellison always cut in and scored a lot of goals from the wing
CF Little ( short on confidence, but can change the game with a pass or goal)
CF Senior ( menance and up to now player of the season )
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What gives you the right to criticise as you werent there to witness it in the death of winter? Graham is God so is allowed to wait until January, I think we should see what he has up his sleeves first before we question him
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Also two of your suggested team are currently injured according to JL (Whalley and Owen) so what would you have done today?
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Also two of your suggested team are currently injured according to JL (Whalley and Owen) so what would you have done today?
Whalley came on as a second half substitute and at least looked like a midfielder who could conjure up a decent pass.
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What gives you the right to criticise as you werent there to witness it in the death of winter? Graham is God so is allowed to wait until January, I think we should see what he has up his sleeves first before we question him
I couldn't go today either, nor can I get to most games these days unfortunately. However, I still care every bit as much about the club and have a right to my opinions. You can't just deny someone a right to their opinion because they weren't there.
All this "Graham is God" business is a load of sh*te. I'm not getting on his back here and agree he needs to be given a fair chance in January. However, I am rather sick of people who think it is wrong to question tactics or other aspects of team management. It's a forum where people can state their opinions - nobody at this club is above criticism so live with it.
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unbearable >:(
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Alty 365 is correct in his assertion..........you cannot deny somebody the right to their opinions just because they were not at the game.
However I would also like to point out; that the credibility attached to someones point of view, is somewhat diluted when the information they base their 'post' on is second hand.
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I would not say we did not attack yesterdsay, we had 2 or 3 good chances in each half.
Yet again we were penalised for minor errors/ brief lack of concentration.
You say change it. but how? until we find new players there is very little we can do. with inuries there are few options?
I am fed up of hearing about Logan, a waste of space in my opinion!! Unless he can prove me wrong! Which I hope he does ;)
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I did go to the game and it was the same old rubbish. We are at home in a cup tie, why not try to win the game instead of containing the opposition. I couldn't care less if we go out of the competition trying to attack from the start, at least its good to watch. We are really lacking pace and as ever especially on the left side, constantly Peyton was lacking as the full back strolled past him. We also give the ball away so much which doesn't help and O'Neill on the right does not work. I know we are down to the bare bones but surely better planning by the manager would of avoided this, injuries in the cup game next week could cost us dear against Northwich. Shotton and Coburn are the only decent players at the moment and it seems confidence is low in front of goal, please shoot instead of trying to pass the ball in the net! Also someone tell Colin Little to jump when trying to head the ball, he might just win one if he does. To sum up big changes needed if we are to have a chance of staying up, left back, right winger and centre forward the priority. As for Logan start him against Nuneaton and see what he can do, surely were not going there to defend.
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Which player ever won the ball in the air, concistently yesterday? A certain J. O'neil. Had Little been moved wide right instead of Joe and Joe used as atarget in the middle maybe Senior would have got something from his knock downs. Who Knows. They were just better than us. Live with it.
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I thought Logan looked bright and very positive when he came on yesterday! I really do think he should be given a chance to start a few games.
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Lets face it our hands are tied until January, but when you play 2 (or more) players out of position what can we expect? - Scott and O'neil case in point. Add to that the fact that we at least tried something different in our "new" formation (Which didn't work) we were always going to be on a hiding to nothing. Surely it's about standing up and being counted which yesterday was not evidenced by many of the Alty players.
Defensively despite having Shotton and Tinson (who are solid) we still conceded 3 again - Add to this the second worse defence in the league and that's where we have to replace in the transfer window. A left back is a must as many have said, but Shotton has now gone (hopefully to return for the rest of the season), so who will replace him? Munroe? maybe so, but if he or Tinson gets injured then we're up the creek without a paddle.
We also need a true defensive midfielder, not scott, not val (too injury prone despite being a true servant to the club), but someone who will break play up and drive us forward.
I agree with most that Logan needs a good run out, but if the Manager doesn't have the confidence in him, then what can anyone do? I was at the game yesterday - as i have been for the majority of home game, I actually called the subs as they happened. Not because I was being a smart arse, but more so because it happens week in week out and if I know that, the surely these full-time teams who scout opposition know this.
I truely believe that we will get out of the bottom 4 this season, only because Farsley are not as good a team, but if we're not clinical in front of goal, we're not confident enough and at present are tactically inept.
I like most on this forum are passionate about Alty and will as ever continue to support them, but for gods sake the team and the management need to stand up and be counted.
Rant over!!
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Can't be bothered reading through all the replies so won't comment on what "Might, have been said".
If you think we have been rubbish over the past few games then I can only assume you haven't been watching Alty long ?
We have tried to attack and if we put our chances away then things would be different... YES WE ARE CREATING CHANCES and I have seen many an Alty side that haven't even been doing that in games !.
I now know why I don't bother going on the fourm that much anymore (Just hope those that knock can praise as well if \ when we do turn this round)... and I think you'll find we were playing 4 upfront at the end to try and salvage something .. If thats not"Attacking and wanting to win" I don't know what is ??
Roll on Nunny and then Xmas Derbies ......
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I thought Logan looked bright and very positive when he came on yesterday! I really do think he should be given a chance to start a few games.
Id like to see Logan and Whalley get a full 90 minutes on Saturday, with a view to them starting the Vics game. Whalley definitely offers us a lot more than Sedge and hopefully if he is recovered from his injury he will get a run in the team.
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Problem being I can never see Whalley playing two games in a row as tends to get injured to easy. His distribution is brilliant and having a lawton\Owen next to him would be perfect but as I have just said I just can' see him playing that many games and could be a luxury we can't really afford.
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alty fans new song 4 u instead of heathcote he's the greatest manager in the world how about most clueless
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James,
Have you just discovered cider?
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Problem being I can never see Whalley playing two games in a row as tends to get injured to easy.
i think he was fit yesterday because he got confussed when he saw the camera gantrys being built and thought he was going to be on tele ;)
don't rele want to comment on the game because it's starting to sound like a broken record on here (i know people are just venting there frustrations and this is the place to do it) but i will just say my short piece, teams we play seem to put half chances in the back of the net and we don't. and would like to say nice goal by colin (even if it turned out to be a concelation). ah well onwards and upwards big game next vs v*cs (i say this because i consider the sultana shield a waste of time and that the CSC is more important than this stupid competitions, i hope GH rests a few players i.e. switch 5 starters to the bench and makes sure the lads are as ready for northwich as jake sedgemore sounded on saturday night (even if he was slightly out of it) and i quote "yeh we'll beat those green'ns i've score against 'em b4 i'll do it again"
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(i say this because i consider the sultana shield a waste of time and that the CSC is more important than this stupid competitions, i hope GH rests a few players i.e. switch 5 starters to the bench and makes sure the lads are as ready for northwich
I may be wrong here.....but doesn't one of the rules of the Setanta Shield state that you must field eight of the 11 players who started the previous game?
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i think i heard something similar, i think thats a stupid rule especially this close to so many big games (not just for us but the fixture list through out the league over christmas has some must win match ups in it)
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How is resting part-time palyers going to keep them match fit?
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it allows them to recover it also means that they won't get injured in a meaningless game
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I haven't been to a single game this season so my opinion is completely irrelevant.
I think rosie was the breaking up player you need in front of the back 4...shame he's gone.
I think Logan needs a run to build up his match fitness...he should have got 10 mins first game, 20 mins 2nd game etc etc.
Defensively we need to tighten and playing rosie in front with senior as lone front man in front of Lawton centre, logan and (whalley/val/pottsy for 20 mins) would give us the clean sheets that would have given us an extra few 0-0 draws to get us out of the mire....no points is pointless but a point every game will see us safe.
Then when we get against a team in the bottom 8 or so we go for it 3-4-3 home or away!!!!
wibble
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it allows them to recover it also means that they won't get injured in a meaningless game
they only play once a week
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Jezza you arn't by any chance sporting this look today are you? ;)
(http://www.canvas.be/canvas_master/programmas/extra/c_extras_fotoshow_blackadder/c_blackadder_01.jpg)
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it allows them to recover it also means that they won't get injured in a meaningless game
they only play once a week
but over christmas there playing, on the saturday,wednesday,saturday,tuesday,saturday so i thought they could do without the meaningless trophy
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playing keeps you fit and sharp. resting makes you fat and lazy.
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even premier league players rest over the christmas period and operate rotation, my fear is that we only have 15 fit players and that we might get injurys against nuneaton that could be avoided
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the fat, lazy bastards
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if you want to tell that to them be my guest ;D i know what your saying about match fitness and sharpness and at any other part of the season i would agree with you but we have so many fixtures in the next two weeks that i feel the players need to recover where possible, and then we can be fresh enough after christmas to kick on from our 6pts off the green slime and go about avoiding the drop.
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i think i heard something similar, i think thats a stupid rule especially this close to so many big games (not just for us but the fixture list through out the league over christmas has some must win match ups in it)
Setanta and Blue Square are putting money into the Conference which was not there before (Sky did the odd match but it really was a very rare happening and generally was more slanted toward the big clubs than the Setanta deal everyone is moaning about.
The Old Conference Cup (which I recall had about 5 names in it's last season due to people going bust etc), the equivalent of the Setanta Shield was regarded in the same way as the big Premiership sides view the League Cup and was hugely abused with Clubs putting out youth teams etc. as evidenced by the final being attended by about 1200 people and being between Stalybridge and Woking I think.
It is therefore only reasonable for them (Setanta and Blue Square) to expect that Clubs will put out a strong team.
The definition of a strong team is very much of a movable feast so, again it is good sense for a minimum required standard to be set as it has been in this case .
Playing devils advocate (please note that this is not my personal view so don't bite my head off) one could say that a Club with the ability to afford a squad of only 15-20 players shouldn't really be in the Conference National and arguably shouldn't be in the Conference set up at all.
The competition is being played on a Saturday to give supporters the chance to attend matches which time constraints midweek may prevent them doing.
I'm as Alty mad as the next person but the concept espoused that we care about is Alty and not about any other Club or League or about a Competition we are no longer in, in my view makes us poorer people and poorer football fans
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I can understand why Setanta what the clubs to put out strong teams (they are televising it afterall) but I have and always will be a believer of clubs being able to put out what players they like.
as much as I can't stand some Premiership clubs I don't understand why people moan when they put out weakened teams in competitions .. Surely that should give the team they are playing a better chance and only handicap themselves ?
Now we if played anything but full strength in the Cheshire Senior Cup I would be moaning ;D