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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on February 25, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
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Collister
M. Lynch M.Flynn Broomes Clee
Densmore C.Lynch Miles Lawrie
Redshaw Reeves
Thats the team not sure formation (assume 442 as always) and where they're all playing.
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Stuart back in then. Didn't he say the other night he wouldn't make it today?
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well i sincerely hope we'll do the business today but that looks unbalanced especially in that guessed formation but you are probably right.
I certainly would not be playing redshaw as I've never seen someone with their mind quite so obviously elsewhere....a real shame coz jack is in danger of being remembered as an uncommitted loan player as opposed to the brilliant prospect we started with who left with our best wishes...
I'd have densmore right back, miles up front and/or twiss in midfield/attack.
I hope i look a complete idiot at 4.45 and we've won 4-0 with a redshaw hat trick...
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It is indeed COLLISTER in nets, my error
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is is a 4-4-2?
I would prefer this lineup to play a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3
Lawrie and Redshaw operating wide either side of Reeves.
Chris Lynch anchoring Densmore and Miles in a 3-man centre midfield.
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It is indeed COLLISTER in nets, my error
no worries.
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Flynn and lynch at the back is this the Lynchflynn the defence is built around?
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Seem to be attacking ok, but lack width.
BS threat on counter.
Few chances created. Densmore hit bar and redshaw opportunity.
Clee and Lawrie seem to be changing position; but not staying wide enough.
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Its not going to be 0-0
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will be very happy with a 0-1 scoreline
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bum 1-0
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be happy with a 1-2 scoreline
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What is the point of having a captain who does naff all on the pitch??
BS played well for 1o mins then hit us perfectly in break.
We've not had many chances, those we've had are straight at the keeper.
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Sounded like a good performance,but its a shame we lost
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ok performance or not we lost , not good enough
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Two awful results
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Last 2 games have really hit home we not gettin out of this league for some time, oh well at least we play chester soon nice away day
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I feel sorry for those that caught a bus at the Vine at 8.40am to see us get beat in a 'regional' league........having seen us win once in nine away games this season I had already said I could not justify travelling so far for, what to me, seems the inevitable.........when I went to Oxford and Exeter I at least thought we had a chance.
Hats off to those that made the journey
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Lost against a team playing a simple counter attack game.
Hit bar twice and post. Team Lacked a combative midfield, captain didnt rouse his fellow players and team lacked imagination.
Twiss played further forward than he would be effective. Should have been played behind front two.
Sinnott obviously under pressure after unfortunate reaction to few fans prostitations after end whistle.
Personally, lacked width and midfield'd inability to shoot when given the chance. Obvious from 1st half BS would play counter game. Our inability to adapt cost us.
Dont think captain was vocal enough to rouse the guys after falling behind.
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Lost against as bad a side as I've ever seen. The no 9 who started the game was fatter than me! We had loads of possession, started well but gradually run out of ideas and by the end looked totally clueless. I can't get to all away games but I've seen too many like this already this season, it's depressing. There is no smile on my face tonight Mr S!!!
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Lost against as bad a side as I've ever seen. The no 9 who started the game was fatter than me! We had loads of possession, started well but gradually run out of ideas and by the end looked totally clueless. I can't get to all away games but I've seen too many like this already this season, it's depressing. [font=Verdana]There is no smile on my face tonight Mr S!!![/font]
What an absolute joke of a post
bits in red are the only bits i agree with
I can name many side worse than them...... infact i shall
Colwyn,droylsden,eastwood,workington,blyth,vauxhall,hinckley, boston
With regards to the no.9, he played well any used his stregth to hold up well...
we didnt run out of ideas as we kept going till the end - We should have scored but today we didnt take our chances.... we have in most games this season - another day we may have won 3-1....
I thought in large parts we defended well - ffs we had players throwing themselves in to blocks and infront of the open goal at one point
TOday, although the result was highly disappointing, wasnt all bad - we played (for the majority of the game) decent football - we shall play A LOT LOT LOT worse and win! its just part of football
I dont think playoffs are out of the question - its just becoming harder by the week.... other teams didnt exactly get good results today.... losing to eastwood at home, drawing to harrogate ect.. cost teams points
we've a big 2 months ahead of us
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"Sinnott obviously under pressure after unfortunate reaction to few fans prostitations after end whistle."
Why what happened?
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Don't know who L2J is, but todays game was as this. We totally dominated the first half, had chances, but against a team who defend very well in numbers and quickly. Second half I reckon Lee nipped out to the nearest pub and asked some fellas if they fancied a game, we lost the plot totally, different team. We sat back and let them play, it could've been more, on the break we had little imagination, yes we hit the woodwork but virtually every ball in the box was easily spooned up by their keeper. Thanks Jack Redshaw, a good little player but selfish today, Dens made him aware of that.
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Don't know who L2J is, but todays game was as this. We totally dominated the first half, had chances, but against a team who defend very well in numbers and quickly. Second half I reckon Lee nipped out to the nearest pub and asked some fellas if they fancied a game, we lost the plot totally, different team. We sat back and let them play, it could've been more, on the break we had little imagination, yes we hit the woodwork but virtually every ball in the box was easily spooned up by their keeper. Thanks Jack Redshaw, a good little player but selfish today, Dens made him aware of that.
This was a fairer assessment,
Totally agree with first half opinion - we worked it out wide well and the final ball was just poor
We made 3 changes in the second half and therefore lost some shape - if we'd taken our chances we would have won
Losing lynch wasn't ideal
I think we failed to get started in the second half...
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L2J I too travelled a 7 hour round trip. I'm not sure I ended up at the same game as you! I gave my opinion (that's OPINION) of the game and I stand by it, they were as bad a side as I've ever seen and we started well and ran out of ideas. You can see the game however you want, notice I haven't called you stupid or a joke?
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seriously you think them teams are worse then us ? blyth played well, at the end of the day were not good enough to go up!
Lost against as bad a side as I've ever seen. The no 9 who started the game was fatter than me! We had loads of possession, started well but gradually run out of ideas and by the end looked totally clueless. I can't get to all away games but I've seen too many like this already this season, it's depressing. [font=Verdana]There is no smile on my face tonight Mr S!!![/font]
What an absolute joke of a post, i didnt spend 5 hours + this mornign travelling, and 3 hr 40 back to read something stupid like this on the forum - bits in red are the only bits i agree with
I can name many side worse than them...... infact i shall
Colwyn,droylsden,eastwood,workington,blyth,vauxhall,hinckley, boston
With regards to the no.9, he played well any used his stregth to hold up well...
we didnt run out of ideas as we kept going till the end - We should have scored but today we didnt take our chances.... we have in most games this season - another day we may have won 3-1....
I thought in large parts we defended well - ffs we had players throwing themselves in to blocks and infront of the open goal at one point
TOday, although the result was highly disappointing, wasnt all bad - we played (for the majority of the game) decent football - we shall play A LOT LOT LOT worse and lose! its just part of football
I dont think playoffs are out of the question - its just becoming harder by the week.... other teams didnt exactly get good results today.... losing to eastwood at home, drawing to harrogate ect.. cost teams points
we've a big 2 months ahead of us
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L2J I too travelled a 7 hour round trip. I'm not sure I ended up at the same game as you! I gave my opinion (that's OPINION) of the game and I stand by it, they were as bad a side as I've ever seen and we started well and ran out of ideas. You can see the game however you want, notice I haven't called you stupid or a joke?
The joke bit was the bit about them being them being A's bad A's you've seen
We've lost to far worse sides
They weren't bad, they had a plan and stuck to it
I,however, apologise for calling your post a joke. Totally uncalled for
Lent and a lack of sleep are making me highly irritable....
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Apology accepted. I still think BS were absolutely awful though! And that's what's so depressing. these teams keep beating us. I should confess that I have been to 8 away games this season and we have lost 7 & drawn 1 of them, so maybe it's me. I'm not going to Histon so no doubt we'll hit them for 6
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Apology accepted. I still think BS were absolutely awful though! And that's what's so depressing. these teams keep beating us. I should confess that I have been to 8 away games this season and we have lost 7 & drawn 1 of them, so maybe it's me. I'm not going to Histon so no doubt we'll hit them for 6
I thought I'd done badly seeing us pick up 5 points from the 7 trips I've made (I was fortunate enough to go to Colwyn Bay) but I'm now saving myself for hopefully the last three games of the season (Nuneaton, Guiseley, Eastwood). Anything we get from the first two will probably be a bonus, but if we can't get SOMETHING at Eastwood I'll be gutted. Ten away league games in one season would be a record for me incidentally so I'm set on doing it !
Afterwards, I may change my ID to "The Masochist" ::)
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"Sinnott obviously under pressure after unfortunate reaction to few fans prostitations after end whistle."
Why what happened?
Afterwards, a few alty fans were giving LS frank opinions of the awful mess we had seen. He came over and exchanged views before being coaxed away by the coaching staff.
Its frustrating, some players arent being used as they should be. Midfield went to sleep too often putting pressure on the defence who were caught out by a good weighted ball over the top. BS had a game plan to get to half time 0-0 and battle for the 2nd. We didnt have a plan B and ran out of ideas.
Overall, we had a few chances but didnt really test their keeper.
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So, is Mr Sinnot now a non caring, uninterested, tailors dummy as he has been accused of being on here before?
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I don't like to hear this, it's not nice, but it was said that if we didn't hit the ground running this season fans would get frustrated.There was very little backlash over last season, and the supporters have had a lot to endure since that friendly at Woodley on July 2010. The crowds have held up well this year,so a few dissenting voices are going to be heard after such a stuttering season against very moderate opposition.I hope we can regroup and push on, but I'm still surprised weve not got another midfielder.Lees biggest mistake this year was signing/try to sign the bulk of last years squad.On who's advice they'd be good enough I don't know.He needs to have a full preseason with his own squad and see where we can go from there.I still think a lack in midfield has a connection with our shaky defensive displays.
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After not clapping the team off for not coming out for the 2nd half until it was too late, I have calmed down a bit. You can look that we hit the framework 3 times, but other than that I don't think we troubled the keeper often enough. Our shots were either wayward or powerpuff, which were our 2 best chances of the game Densmore had.
We can make the play-offs still,but there is absolutely no room for error now. I make it 9 wins out of 12 will give us a chance,at a push of 73 points. On our day, we are probably the best team in this league. Unfortunately, our inconsistency/unable to defend properly may cost us.
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After not clapping the team off for not coming out for the 2nd half until it was too late, I have calmed down a bit. You can look that we hit the framework 3 times, but other than that I don't think we troubled the keeper often enough. Our shots were either wayward or powerpuff, which were our 2 best chances of the game Densmore had.
We can make the play-offs still,but there is absolutely no room for error now. I make it 9 wins out of 12 will give us a chance,at a push of 73 points. On our day, we are probably the best team in this league. Unfortunately, our inconsistency/unable to defend properly may cost us.
I'll settle for approximately 35 "our days" next season !
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
Simple fact is that though Alty have been a big name in the past, you can't live in the past. If Lee gets into the playoffs its a major achievement given current finances and budgets of other clubs etc. Unfortunately there a body of followers who quite rightly live and breathe their club but that is simply not a guarantee of success on the pitch.
If the club fail this season in getting back I suspect that a long stay at this level is in the offing.
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
Simple fact is that though Alty have been a big name in the past, you can't live in the past. If Lee gets into the playoffs its a major achievement given current finances and budgets of other clubs etc. Unfortunately there a body of followers who quite rightly live and breathe their club but that is simply not a guarantee of success on the pitch.
If the club fail this season in getting back I suspect that a long stay at this level is in the offing.
I think most of us in reality expected a long stay at this level, relegation from the bsp was a disaster. I think what we need to do is show that we are progressing and that the team is improving. For me we need cover for the wings, if clee or richman arn't playing we look one dimentional. We also need a combative centre midfielder and a striker to replace redshaw. I think we will need to wait until next season before we can bring these in.
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
Simple fact is that though Alty have been a big name in the past, you can't live in the past. If Lee gets into the playoffs its a major achievement given current finances and budgets of other clubs etc. Unfortunately there a body of followers who quite rightly live and breathe their club but that is simply not a guarantee of success on the pitch.
If the club fail this season in getting back I suspect that a long stay at this level is in the offing.
How many times can we trot this out though? I can fully accept this when talking in respect to the lutons, wrexham, yorks and grimsbys of this world, but not against clubs pulling in a third of the attendances we do.What happens if we go down again, will we not be able to compete with trafford and curzon Ashton for this reason or that reason?
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And getting in the playoffs is NOT a major achievement if we hadn't embarrassed ourselves against solihull,Colwyn bay and Hinckley we'd be sat 3rd now without hardly breaking sweat all season
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Too many people on here appear to be giving up on the play offs far too early ok we probab ly aren't good enough but a couple of new players ( central mid) and wins then things will look a lot more rosy
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
I think maybe going with the bulk of last season's team has lead to inadequate recruitment though. All these players we now have seem to be mix and match, plugging gaps and in some cases square pegs in round holes etc. For example, was Marlon Broomes not good enough for us in the summer or did he have to spend half a season at Clitheroe before we signed him.
I agree with you that we could be here for a while though. And that suits some peole more than it does others.
Socrates makes a good point that last season a lot of people sucked up the disappointment and tried to get behind the team. As they have for quite a while now, at other clubs there would've been mayhem. As it is some of the frustration being vented now is not of LS making. Also maybe linked to not seeing quite where the club is heading.
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Our biggest problem is staying in budget,it does hamper is or at least it did last season.when players are not on contract i dont think they are as commited to the club.Having said that i would rather we stayed in this league and in budget than see the club run up massive debt and go out of business.
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Lee has had enough time to make his own mark on the team. He gutted out last years shoddy defence and midfield, keeping only five players - the most creative player (Nicky Clee), the world class goalkeeper (Coburn), the goal machine (Reeves), the england C international (Densmore) and Twissy who was on a contract (otherwise he would have long since been shown the door)
The problem is, aside the capture of James Lawrie, has Lee replaced the departing players with anyone better than what was previously here? Lees and Lynch from hyde (seems more of Toulsens suggestion from a Hyde team that leaked goals last season)? Richman who he knew from PortVale (blows hot and cold and gives the ball away too much)? Paul Jones? the resigning of Robbie Williams? Summerskill? Hawes? The list goes on, and the worrying turnover of players on short term loan deals doesn't look like part of a two year plan to me. As a man who played centre half in an FA cup final at Wembley, I'm surprised Lee Sinnott didn't build his team around a solid back four that plays together week in week out, you don't get that stability when players are coming in and out on loan constantly.
OK, Jack Redshaw was a good capture (in his first spell) and i like the look of Walmsley and Miles, but as I have already said, it is about consistency and stability, building a team that can win promotion, stay together and take us to safety in the conference. I don't see this at Altrincham at the moment, I don't see any sense of direction or progression. Just picking XI players to get through the next match.
Finally, the biggest challenge LS will face if we don't get promoted this summer is keeping hold of Damian Reeves, hopefully his ties from their days together at Leeds and the fact Reevesy is quickly establishing himself as an alty legend will possibly swing it toward staying for another season.
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Finally, the biggest challenge LS will face if we don't get promoted this summer is keeping hold of Damian Reeves, hopefully his ties from their days together at Leeds and the fact Reevesy is quickly establishing himself as an alty legend will possibly swing it toward staying for another season.
I completely agree with this and that's why I think this season is likely to go down as a huge missed opportunity.
We have a top of the league attack and a midtable defence, hence we're seventh. I have a horrible premonition that we might have the seventh best attack and defence next season and so finish in the same place.
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Our biggest problem is staying in budget,it does hamper is or at least it did last season.when players are not on contract i dont think they are as commited to the club.Having said that i would rather we stayed in this league and in budget than see the club run up massive debt and go out of business.
Why does everybody seem to view this in black and white? Why would you necessarily run up massive debt and go out of business?
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
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Top post. Nice one Steve
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Its often difficult when a club goes down to adjust to life in the lower league and I believe thats actually been worse for us it would have been for some others teams.
We've had to have a mentatlity change from being elated when we grab a point or win a home game to expecting to roll teams over at every oppourtunity. This was apparent early season when one of the home draws was greated by boos from a small section of the crowd.
This is further proved by Eastbourne who lost at home yesterday and are now 1 point off the relegation zone.
We also seem to believe that every match depends on how we play and that it couldn't be possible that a team could beat us.
I couldn't make it yesterday so can't comment directly but looking at the Hinckley they came and fought very hard as they were desperate for the points. I presume that BS were the same yesterday. If a team wants to let us play we'll murder them and score 5 or 6. If they are up for a fight then we'll come off second best.
For me this has been a very weird season. My Dad has started coming this season to home games, doesn't know anything about expectations or club politics or finances but has gone home pleased most weeks (except for last Tuesday). He has seen plenty of goals and some lovely football. We've topped form tables, gone on runs, had the leagues top scorer and yet as soon as we get ionto a positon where we are ready to strike it all goes wrong.
I think a lot of the frustration is that the losses have become part of watching Alty, totally expected. We were never going to beat FC Utd this year, Witton was an obvious defeat, Gainsborough away was obvios, yesterday was obvious.
We'll probably go on another run now and turn the last game at Gainsborough into a "win and we're in" playoff game......and yet most of the people I know (me included) won't exactly be going into with confidence.
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
I love it when people speak for" most fans"
We have a hardcore of 600 (at the moment), or which 20 post regularly on here and another 20 post sometimes.
How long does the new man get when we sack Sinnott? (I'm not even getting into the sack the board stuff you're hinting at).
Six months and then we swop again?
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Speaking only for myself I always saw Operation BSN escape as a two season effort. I did expect us to make the payoffs this season, but on the basis that we won't we're not going to be far off. There is still a possibility that we will and therefore be bang on target.
Thinking about NEXT season, where according to my plan is where we get up, we have some on field risks. Reeves being snapped up, no improvement in our defence being the biggest. Those are the major hurdles that we need to overcome between now and August. I have no reason to believe anybody could do a better job than Lee on the budget. He is the incumbent, knows the players and I think is the sort of man who takes responsibility for what he does or doesn't do. Any change of manager would be folly.
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
If a rethink is necessary what do you suggest is done differently?
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
I think maybe going with the bulk of last season's team has lead to inadequate recruitment though. All these players we now have seem to be mix and match, plugging gaps and in some cases square pegs in round holes etc. For example, was Marlon Broomes not good enough for us in the summer or did he have to spend half a season at Clitheroe before we signed him.
I agree with you that we could be here for a while though. And that suits some peole more than it does others.
Socrates makes a good point that last season a lot of people sucked up the disappointment and tried to get behind the team. As they have for quite a while now, at other clubs there would've been mayhem. As it is some of the frustration being vented now is not of LS making. Also maybe linked to not seeing quite where the club is heading.
There's also been an element of bad luck with the signings. I don't think anyone would have predicted that both Paul Jones and Adam Flynn would turn out to be as poor for us as they have. Indeed the concensus in pre-season seemed to be that we'd definitely be solid at the back but might not score enough, was has turned out to be diametrically wrong.
As Ecky says, this really is a weird season.
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
I love it when people speak for" most fans"
We have a hardcore of 600 (at the moment), or which 20 post regularly on here and another 20 post sometimes.
How long does the new man get when we sack Sinnott? (I'm not even getting into the sack the board stuff you're hinting at).
Six months and then we swop again?
i think the idea should be to appoint the right man, if we keep appointing poor managers then we will have to keep replacing them until we get it right
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Appointing the right man seems sounds really easy.
Appointing some one with experience of getting promoted from the Conference North on a limted budget seemed like a pretty good idea at the time to me.
I guess you have an idea of who the right man was (from those that applied of course)
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
If a rethink is necessary what do you suggest is done differently?
well i little clarity on who we are and where we going would be a start
otherwise we may as well just accept the mediocrity we are currently been served up
sorry i sometimes forget that there are those amongst us who think eveything is perfectly rosy at the moment
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If I can add my two-penny worth, by going back to hwne Lee Sinnott was originally made manager, and after our relegation. We all said the club should be rebuilt from scratch with a new manager and new players. We would be happy for this next season with a place outside the playoffs as we rebuilt the team. That was the opinion of most including myself, i seem to remember. To go straight back into the Conference Nationwide for probrably send us straight back down again after promotion from the playoffs. The cup wins we were hoping for unfortunately did not come off, so there has been no revenue from this particular stream to help build our squad. Lee has done his best to sign good players on a non-contract basis but this is difficult with our budget, including replacements. Considering we are now pushing for a playoff place, we are meeting our target for Lee's first season and I am generally pleased with what has happened so far, We are are target for our first season of rebuilding, even if we did not end up in the playoffs or even lost them. I would rather rebuild slowly than go for all or bust, and come straight back down again with debts.
Bishops were a team with poor results in the past, but have improved in the last few games and have turned in some good recent results, as have a lot of teams when we finally get to play them. How I wish the Stalybridge away fixture could have been swopped with yesterday game, we would probrably have ended up with two wins then!! See what I mean?
A team with non contract players who have had to make recent changes - three or four in our case - will have thse gliches but i am not too worried, we are still generally playing to a good standard, and I am enjoying myself more than last year!
Give it time guys, we are meeting the expectancy of the general fans view from last season and there is still a lot to play for. I am getting behind our management team and players and saying for it, but not too quickly where we end up in debt or relegated again!!
Steve from Sale
rubbish post
you say that most of us said at the start of the season we would be happy for a place outside the play offs - rubbish
maybe most like minded people to you or like minded people even on this forum - but i can assure you that to most Altrincham fans mediocrity in this league is totally unacceptable
i think the problem for most of us is that the club is totally lacking in leadership or direction at the moment (and i dont just mean the team), also the manager is proving to be totally inept (as was feared by some at the start of the season)
time for a re-think i suggest
If a rethink is necessary what do you suggest is done differently?
well i little clarity on who we are and where we going would be a start
otherwise we may as well just accept the mediocrity we are currently been served up
sorry i sometimes forget that there are those amongst us who think eveything is perfectly rosy at the moment
Altrincham Football Club
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
I think maybe going with the bulk of last season's team has lead to inadequate recruitment though. All these players we now have seem to be mix and match, plugging gaps and in some cases square pegs in round holes etc. For example, was Marlon Broomes not good enough for us in the summer or did he have to spend half a season at Clitheroe before we signed him.
I agree with you that we could be here for a while though. And that suits some peole more than it does others.
Socrates makes a good point that last season a lot of people sucked up the disappointment and tried to get behind the team. As they have for quite a while now, at other clubs there would've been mayhem. As it is some of the frustration being vented now is not of LS making. Also maybe linked to not seeing quite where the club is heading.
There's also been an element of bad luck with the signings. I don't think anyone would have predicted that both Paul Jones and Adam Flynn would turn out to be as poor for us as they have. Indeed the concensus in pre-season seemed to be that we'd definitely be solid at the back but might not score enough, was has turned out to be diametrically wrong.
As Ecky says, this really is a weird season.
sorry Leon, i take back all I said.......we just been unlucky!!
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Appointing the right man seems sounds really easy.
Appointing some one with experience of getting promoted from the Conference North on a limted budget seemed like a pretty good idea at the time to me.
I guess you have an idea of who the right man was (from those that applied of course)
no it not easy to appoint the right man
harder still to admit when you have picked the wrong man and then make the change
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The budget has been kept as high as it could be to give us the best chance of promotion.
The manager has been allowed to replace players when they leave when it would be easier to say no save a bit of cash (Colister coming in on loan, the signing of Lynch and Miles). Seems like quite a statement of intent from the board.
I doubt many people think all is rosy (I don't if you're hinting at me) but on the flip side we don't need to clearout from top to bottom as I have heard mentioned by the people you drink with.
The first batch of dissent this season focussed on how we will never get anywhere without following the Stalybridge Celtic model. I take it thats changed a bit now?
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Socrates surely the team has Lee's stamp on it with not many survivors from the previous season. Or is it the case that those left are a) not played in the right position b) simply not good enough.
I think maybe going with the bulk of last season's team has lead to inadequate recruitment though. All these players we now have seem to be mix and match, plugging gaps and in some cases square pegs in round holes etc. For example, was Marlon Broomes not good enough for us in the summer or did he have to spend half a season at Clitheroe before we signed him.
I agree with you that we could be here for a while though. And that suits some peole more than it does others.
Socrates makes a good point that last season a lot of people sucked up the disappointment and tried to get behind the team. As they have for quite a while now, at other clubs there would've been mayhem. As it is some of the frustration being vented now is not of LS making. Also maybe linked to not seeing quite where the club is heading.
There's also been an element of bad luck with the signings. I don't think anyone would have predicted that both Paul Jones and Adam Flynn would turn out to be as poor for us as they have. Indeed the concensus in pre-season seemed to be that we'd definitely be solid at the back but might not score enough, was has turned out to be diametrically wrong.
As Ecky says, this really is a weird season.
sorry Leon, i take back all I said.......we just been unlucky!!
Your posts today are hysterical and unbalanced.
As you well know, that's not what I was saying. Signings sometimes work out and sometimes don't and that's true of even the greatest managers. Jones and Flynn looked like excellent signings but neither worked out.
I think the jury's still out on Sinnott. You've made your mind up already. Fair enough. But stop trying to force the rest of us to share your opinion and implying that we're imbeciles for disagreeing with you, whoever you are.
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The budget has been kept as high as it could be to give us the best chance of promotion.
The manager has been allowed to replace players when they leave when it would be easier to say no save a bit of cash (Colister coming in on loan, the signing of Lynch and Miles). Seems like quite a statement of intent from the board.
I doubt many people think all is rosy (I don't if you're hinting at me) but on the flip side we don't need to clearout from top to bottom as I have heard mentioned by the people you drink with.
The first batch of dissent this season focussed on how we will never get anywhere without following the Stalybridge Celtic model. I take it thats changed a bit now?
the bit ive highlighted
Ofc we will need changes, but Im confident Sinott (given a full pre-season) can find the right replacements
In the last few monhts he* found Jack, Lawrie, Walmsley, Miles, new Lynch, Broomes, Matt Flynn - all of whom i believe could be great additions
Not every player brought in will be good enough, even Sir Heathcote brought in rubbish players that werent up to it, same with Sir Alex over his reign - Djemba Djemba instantly comes to mind
Dont we have something like an extra 30k to play with next season? which means is 2 additional squad players
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Let's just let Lee get on with his job. With a busy summer of wheel and dealing and a full pre-season hopefully we can start next season well and then push on. He will be here until the autumn at least so any dissenters should get used to it.
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The budget has been kept as high as it could be to give us the best chance of promotion.
The manager has been allowed to replace players when they leave when it would be easier to say no save a bit of cash (Colister coming in on loan, the signing of Lynch and Miles). Seems like quite a statement of intent from the board.
I doubt many people think all is rosy (I don't if you're hinting at me) but on the flip side we don't need to clearout from top to bottom as I have heard mentioned by the people you drink with.
The first batch of dissent this season focussed on how we will never get anywhere without following the Stalybridge Celtic model. I take it thats changed a bit now?
Great post. Nobody said it was rosy, good point about Stalybridge too.
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The budget has been kept as high as it could be to give us the best chance of promotion.
The manager has been allowed to replace players when they leave when it would be easier to say no save a bit of cash (Colister coming in on loan, the signing of Lynch and Miles). Seems like quite a statement of intent from the board.
I doubt many people think all is rosy (I don't if you're hinting at me) but on the flip side we don't need to clearout from top to bottom as I have heard mentioned by the people you drink with.
The first batch of dissent this season focussed on how we will never get anywhere without following the Stalybridge Celtic model. I take it thats changed a bit now?
the bit ive highlighted
Ofc we will need changes, but Im confident Sinott (given a full pre-season) can find the right replacements
In the last few monhts he* found Jack, Lawrie, Walmsley, Miles, new Lynch, Broomes, Matt Flynn - all of whom i believe could be great additions
Not every player brought in will be good enough, even Sir Heathcote brought in rubbish players that werent up to it, same with Sir Alex over his reign - Djemba Djemba instantly comes to mind
Dont we have something like an extra 30k to play with next season? which means is 2 additional squad players
i wish i shared your confidence L2J
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Or maybe we're not just alarmists and we accept that things take time...
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I wasn't at yesterday's game but from the radio commentary and the report on the official site I don't think anything happened yesterday that should lead to anyone questioning the manager or players. My understanding is that we were unlucky to come away with nothing against an in form team. So why the negativity?
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I wasn't at yesterday's game but from the radio commentary and the report on the official site I don't think anything happened yesterday that should lead to anyone questioning the manager or players. My understanding is that we were unlucky to come away with nothing against an in form team. So why the negativity?
yes, now i see what your saying.......it not that bad result, as you say Bish Stortford are an in form team and we unlucky
keep this up robins.....onwards and upwards
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Let's just let Lee get on with his job. With a busy summer of wheel and dealing and a full pre-season hopefully we can start next season well and then push on. He will be here until the autumn at least so any dissenters should get used to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2AWKfMvDtw
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I wasn't at yesterday's game but from the radio commentary and the report on the official site I don't think anything happened yesterday that should lead to anyone questioning the manager or players. My understanding is that we were unlucky to come away with nothing against an in form team. So why the negativity?
yes, now i see what your saying.......it not that bad result, as you say Bish Stortford are an in form team and we unlucky
keep this up robins.....onwards and upwards
You know perfectly well that nobody is saying everything's fine. It's clear from the timing of your posts that you have some sort of vendetta against the manager and are hoping to pick up followers for your cause by posting this nonsense after each bad result. I'd go so far as to suggest that you are probably hoping for failure so you can tell us all how you were right all along.