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Title: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on February 13, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
With a number of key fixtures coming up and playing Tues/Sat for a few months, I can see a few changes and a few experiments on the horizon. However, I think Hulme may be out with an injury, so here is my starting 11 for tomorrows match v Bromley…

                           Byrne

Welch-Hayes.   J.Jones.   Baines.   E.Jones


              Marriot.           Ludstrum


Sinclair.              Cashman           Gyasi


                           Linney

Subs: Osbourne, Hugill, Kaja, Oyedele, Quiterna
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on February 13, 2023, 09:50:59 AM
Bang on for me that team.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on February 13, 2023, 10:58:26 AM
I was stood near where jordan went down before coming off. Looked like cramp / frustration at ref giving him no protection from getting clattered that made him ready to come off rather than an injury that would keep him out.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 13, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
If he’s fit you can’t really drop him. Excellent against Wrexham and scored on Saturday. Linney will just have to be patient.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on February 13, 2023, 11:32:55 AM
If he’s fit you can’t really drop him. Excellent against Wrexham and scored on Saturday. Linney will just have to be patient.

He has played better over the last 2 games, but I can see Linney starting 26 in 34 games (or whatever his stats are).. says he should start tomorrow and would still get the nod for me in front of a fit Hulme.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 13, 2023, 11:35:20 AM
Agree entirely with the team at the head of this thread, though it'd be nice to see a bit more of Quitirma in the short time he is with us.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 13, 2023, 12:18:38 PM
The one I want to see more of is Maxi Oyedele - seems to strike me as more of a box to box number 8 in the mould of Ali Smith, so whether that can be accommodated in a starting XI at any point (move Cashman out wide?) remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 13, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
Hulme to start if fit and Quiterna or Kaja over  Gyasi.

Alty 2-1 Bromley (Hulme, J. Jones)
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 13, 2023, 01:14:47 PM
The one I want to see more of is Maxi Oyedele - seems to strike me as more of a box to box number 8 in the mould of Ali Smith, so whether that can be accommodated in a starting XI at any point (move Cashman out wide?) remains to be seen.

The difficulty with the whole United-link thing is that none of us are privy to the exact circumstances of the agreement. To me, it looks very much like playing time is being strictly controlled.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on February 13, 2023, 02:14:20 PM
The one I want to see more of is Maxi Oyedele - seems to strike me as more of a box to box number 8 in the mould of Ali Smith, so whether that can be accommodated in a starting XI at any point (move Cashman out wide?) remains to be seen.

The difficulty with the whole United-link thing is that none of us are privy to the exact circumstances of the agreement. To me, it looks very much like playing time is being strictly controlled.

Isn’t the issue in this case a bit more straightforward?

Whatever problems or issues we have elsewhere, it’s not in midfield. Lundstram and Marriott are our two best players and first names on the team sheet. It’d be more unusual if he was being pushed in ahead of them.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 13, 2023, 02:59:54 PM
I thought we had 3 United players.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 13, 2023, 06:00:58 PM
That team doesn't work - or at least the bench doesn't !


Welch-Hayes, Cashman, Gyasi and Sinclair gives us four of the five permitted loan players. So if Oyedele is on the bench, I'd back him up with Kaja, Osborne, Pringle, and one other. Ideally a defensive player - is Cooper fit yet ?
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 13, 2023, 06:34:15 PM
Can someone remind me; is it 5 loans on the pitch at any one time, or is it 5 loans in the matchday squad (i.e. Starting eleven plus subs)? 🤔
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Bath Alty on February 13, 2023, 10:24:45 PM
Squad
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 13, 2023, 10:26:02 PM
Thanks, Bath 👍
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on February 14, 2023, 08:59:47 AM
Could do with a win tonight as Woking & Barnet will be two very tough games next up. This is the game to target of the next three IMO.

Bromley have drawn their last four league games & 11 this season in total so appear to be draw specialists. I think I’m right in saying we’ve never beaten them under Parky so time to change that tonight, 2-1 Alty in front of 1257.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 14, 2023, 10:20:51 AM
As someone who travelled on the train to Wembley for the match against Leatherhead, I'm excited at the prospect of what might be possible this year. 

I hired a datsun sunny 120 (with a radio which was a real novelty) to take the wife and family down with me.
Always remember driving home and listening to some London sports station saying how we'd killed the game as a spectacle by scoring two goals in the first ten minutes!
Got to say it didn't feel like that to me! 😂😂🏆
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 14, 2023, 11:08:17 AM
Could do with a win tonight as Woking & Barnet will be two very tough games next up. This is the game to target of the next three IMO.

Bromley have drawn their last four league games & 11 this season in total so appear to be draw specialists. I think I’m right in saying we’ve never beaten them under Parky so time to change that tonight, 2-1 Alty in front of 1257.

Courtesy of John Laidler, we have never scored a goal against Bromley at home. Our record in three meetings here is a goalless draw, and two 0-1 defeats.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Is this it? on February 14, 2023, 11:16:22 AM
Booked the train from Victoria, 09:31 (arr. 11:04) and returning on the 18:50 (arr 20:16).  Reasonable price (by normal standards).  Leaves enough time for a wander around York and the opportunity for some refreshments prior to kick-off.  Looking forward to it.  As someone who travelled on the train to Wembley for the match against Leatherhead, I'm excited at the prospect of what might be possible this year.  Hope we take at least 300.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on February 14, 2023, 03:45:49 PM
I believe we will win tonight…. We need to get as many down to the ground as possible to get behind the lads! Will be an interesting line up and could even see some new appearances!

Big 3 points… 3-1 Alty (Linney 2, Ludstrum 1)
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 14, 2023, 04:12:44 PM
Could do with a win tonight as Woking & Barnet will be two very tough games next up. This is the game to target of the next three IMO.

Bromley have drawn their last four league games & 11 this season in total so appear to be draw specialists. I think I’m right in saying we’ve never beaten them under Parky so time to change that tonight, 2-1 Alty in front of 1257.

Courtesy of John Laidler, we have never scored a goal against Bromley at home. Our record in three meetings here is a goalless draw, and two 0-1 defeats.

Yes, they have a habit of rocking up and keeping us very much at arm's length. A solid side that give nothing away cheaply.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: wayno on February 14, 2023, 04:36:40 PM
We will win 4-1
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 04:51:43 PM
Always a dreadful experience playing Bromley (as Boreham Wood) but you've got to be hopeful that for once we can beat their team of giants. Linney to win it for us. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 14, 2023, 07:20:40 PM
Hulme makes it, but on the wing at the expense of Kaja who hasn't really shown too much of late.

Linney straight in up front - given the specific physical challenge of Bromley it makes sense on paper.

Come on lads!
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 07:31:50 PM
He's decided to go with Osborne rather than Linney I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 14, 2023, 07:42:02 PM
He's decided to go with Osborne rather than Linney I'm afraid.

?

Osborne on the bench isn't he?
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Macsporran on February 14, 2023, 07:43:49 PM
Linney stuck in traffic, Osborne been promoted with Linney on the bench.

So Alty!
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on February 14, 2023, 08:06:58 PM
Stuck in traffic??!!
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Amsterdam Alty on February 14, 2023, 08:11:43 PM
Stuck in traffic??!!
He was part time until a week or so ago, possible he's doing some notice for his former day job.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 14, 2023, 08:14:09 PM
As depressing as it is predictable - knew that was a goal as soon as the soft free kick was awarded.

This is going to be a dreadful hour or so of football.

Cashman has been atrocious.

Him and Osborne off; Oyedele and Linney on (assuming the latter has actually made it to the ground).
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on February 14, 2023, 08:22:16 PM
0-2😕. A miserable hour indeed….
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
Cashman not arsed - body language is awful. Jordan should have taken his early chance but fluffed it. Osborne is neither use not ornament.

We are so in the s***.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on February 14, 2023, 08:46:02 PM
We leak goals every game. It’s ridiculous,  get Kyle Ferguson back from Harrogate. He hasnt kicked a ball for them since the 3rd December. Byrne needs to grow a pair and command that six yard box.

Osbourne not good enough. We piss about with the ball at the back and teams just reset . We should be far more direct and positive and press quicker.. it’s a hard watch just lately

The lad Linney being stuck in traffic,,,,, what’s that all about. We are meant to be a fkn full time professional outfit now..
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 08:50:12 PM
Might as well a sheep as a lamb. I'd bring Gyasi, Pringle and Linney on now for Cashman, Osborne and Hulme.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 14, 2023, 09:20:47 PM
I'll never, for the life of me, understand why the manager doesn't use Ben Pringle more often.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 09:38:04 PM
Pringle has changed the game.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: JD on February 14, 2023, 09:48:04 PM
Poor ref, cymical opposition and the same issues with 2 quick goals and set pieces!

Performance deserved a better result by the sounds of things!
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on February 14, 2023, 09:58:13 PM
Poor ref, cymical opposition and the same issues with 2 quick goals and set pieces!

Performance deserved a better result by the sounds of things!

I wouldn’t say they were cynical. Bromley are a good team. They managed the game very well at the end. We need to get forward quicker, it’s so frustrating.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Hale Alty on February 14, 2023, 10:20:31 PM
Bromley straight out of chapter one of "How to win matches in the National League". Take your chances even if you only get two all game, and be organised at the back. I don't think Byrne made a save all game, and their keeper only made one.
Alty were weak in midfield and upfront. No one appeared in control until Pringle came on, and first half no clear strategy in attack. Hulme lucky to stay on. Cashman lucky to get MOM, and his brightest contribution to the game was getting substituted. Sinclair invisible all game apart from being on the end of a nasty tackle and appearing from nowhere to take his goal well. Too many times the ball was given away when no pressure.
Teams below are picking up points. I don't know what's Parkinson's best eleven is, but i'm pretty sure that wasn't it tonight.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: wayno on February 14, 2023, 10:25:06 PM
Cashman not arsed - body language is awful. Jordan should have taken his early chance but fluffed it. Osborne is neither use not ornament.

We are so in the s***.
MOTM..
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 14, 2023, 10:26:44 PM
1-1 would have been fair. I thought Osborne was one of our better players to be honest. We’ll be fine, but this was always going to be a difficult run in the league.

With the utmost respect, as it was awarded by the family of John King, the “sponsors man of the match” is embarrassing and needs canning. Cashman?
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Mick on February 14, 2023, 10:30:30 PM
All to typical performance was that......goes without saying but we are in the $h1t if things don't improve soon....
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on February 14, 2023, 10:35:22 PM
Terrible goals to concede.

Sinclair could be a big loss. Only wide player that is currently making things happen.

Cashman disinterested. Osborne played well but not good enough and doesn't make us tick.

Important we get back to having two decent wide players on the pitch and number 10 who get things going. Still hope Cashman will step up, otherwise I would go for Pringle.

Byrne really needs to command his area, otherwise we need another keeper.

As someone mentioned, would be great to have Ferguson back in CB.

Linney looks very good.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on February 14, 2023, 10:37:48 PM
Extra frustrating in that I reckon we’d have got a result against them if the game had gone ahead in early January as scheduled.  We had a settled team at that point that still included Colclough, Conn Clarke and Mullarkey. 
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Randy Konk on February 14, 2023, 10:40:13 PM
Sheesh, didn’t enjoy that. I too thought Osbourne was one of the better players tonight but not much else to encourage the 1400 odd Alty fans. Thought welch hayes had his worst game since arriving

I do seem to be witnessing a few goals conceded where Ollie Byrne seems rooted to the spot.

Linney showed some promise. I hope he gets a run in the side.

0 from 12 last 4 games. Hardly play off material. Worried we’ll get sucked into a full-on relegation battle.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on February 14, 2023, 10:44:28 PM
Sheesh, didn’t enjoy that. I too thought Osbourne was one of the better players tonight but not much else to encourage the 1400 odd Alty fans. Thought welch hayes had his worst game since arriving

I do seem to be witnessing a few goals conceded where Ollie Byrne seems rooted to the spot.

Linney showed some promise. I hope he gets a run in the side.

0 from 12 last 4 games. Hardly play off material. Worried we’ll get sucked into a full-on relegation battle.

Maybe in the minority but I am not 100% sure on our RB. Decent player and not too bothered about him...yet, but just have this feeling about him.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 14, 2023, 10:48:49 PM
Looked a lot better when Pringle and Linney came on.

Can't believe people are slating Osbourne, thought he was our 2nd best player behind Marriott.

Welsh-Hayes had a poor game by his standards, but the real issue is Byrne. I believe we've invested heavy in him but he looks shot.

Going to be a long hard 2-3 weeks

 
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on February 14, 2023, 10:49:56 PM
The problem with Welch-hayes imho is that he's okay but we've had two or three much better in the not too distant past in Mullarkey, Perritt, Senior and, of course, Shaun Densmore to name a few and perhaps we're used to better.
Wide men tracking back to help is useful but we don't have that either.
Give him time to settle and I'm sure he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 14, 2023, 10:52:28 PM
WH was much better when Pringle came on and so was Osborne. He helped raise their games considerably. MOTM Cashman was completely anonymous throughout.

I do agree that Linney looked very sharp.

The really frustrating thing is that successful players we have had over the past 12 months are not even getting a kick at their clubs; Perritt, Ferguson, Mooney etc and all would improve us.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on February 14, 2023, 10:55:21 PM
Looked a lot better when Pringle and Linney came on.

Can't believe people are slating Osbourne, thought he was our 2nd best player behind Marriott.

Welsh-Hayes had a poor game by his standards, but the real issue is Byrne. I believe we've invested heavy in him but he looks shot.

Going to be a long hard 2-3 weeks

A lot of people saying Osborne played well mate, me included but we need to accept he ain't the answer in any position with how we play.

Ain't a winger and isn't good enough as no.10. That's the harsh reality. Tonight was an example of him playing well, but doing nowt to create chances.

When Con-Clarke played well as no.10, we all knew about it. Would like to see our record with Osborne starting this season.

Not slating him tonight but he is not or never will be our answer to LW or No.10. Rather see Pringle or even the United youngster.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: finnquark1 on February 14, 2023, 11:07:37 PM
Think this was the game that tipped the scales for me on Byrne. He's clearly rooted to his line 90% of the time and that's a problem. On top of that his distribution tonight was very poor at times, and not just the poor pass which led to their 2nd goal. He's often too quick to get things going, throwing or passing the ball to players in a poor position. When he doesn't have shots to save, which he didn't tonight, it further exposes some of the flaws in his game. What's the deal with GK coaching? Do we have a specialist? He looks like he severely needs it.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on February 14, 2023, 11:13:36 PM
Think this was the game that tipped the scales for me on Byrne. He's clearly rooted to his line 90% of the time and that's a problem. On top of that his distribution tonight was very poor at times, and not just the poor pass which led to their 2nd goal. He's often too quick to get things going, throwing or passing the ball to players in a poor position. When he doesn't have shots to save, which he didn't tonight, it further exposes some of the flaws in his game. What's the deal with GK coaching? Do we have a specialist? He looks like he severely needs it.

I was saying this tonight. What is he being coached?

He will need to start coming for a few to gain that confidence. I think we all accept there will be mistakes along the way, but give it a try lad.

Can't be much worst than being rooted and conceding without trying.

I previously mentioned it being a mental block, he needs some guidance, support and being told to give it a bloody go and be confident.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on February 14, 2023, 11:31:34 PM
As depressing as it is predictable - knew that was a goal as soon as the soft free kick was awarded.

This is going to be a dreadful hour or so of football.

Cashman has been atrocious.

Him and Osborne off; Oyedele and Linney on (assuming the latter has actually made it to the ground).

Couldn’t agree with this more… Hulme should never be starting in front of Linney… shoukd have postponed the kickoff!!!
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on February 15, 2023, 12:23:20 AM
Looked a lot better when Pringle and Linney came on.

Can't believe people are slating Osbourne, thought he was our 2nd best player behind Marriott.

Welsh-Hayes had a poor game by his standards, but the real issue is Byrne. I believe we've invested heavy in him but he looks shot.

Going to be a long hard 2-3 weeks

Fair assessment. Bromley were a functional outfit, think a slightly worse version of Boreham Wood. Woking will be a much better version on Saturday. Against these physical London outfits it seems we can’t compete & continue to leak two goals a game as standard. Beginning to reach a bit of a tipping point with Byrne, half of the league is all about set pieces & he seems unable or unwilling to claim balls into our box. Second half we gave it a right good go & Linney showed a lot of promise & Pringle showed his typical class on the ball but overall with 2-0 at HT we gave ourselves too much to do. Lovely tribute before KO from Bill for John King too.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 15, 2023, 12:57:54 AM
I'm afraid Byrne shows yet again the tendency of goalkeepers who've been coached at U18 and U21 by the big clubs to be poor at commanding their penalty areas. There are times when he reminds me of the appalling Andrew Dawber in that respect - and HE was an U21 at Fulham.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 15, 2023, 02:08:28 AM


That's four consecutive league defeats now and it's becoming increasingly difficult to pinpoint exactly where our next win is going to come from.

For a start, we hardly ever manage to keep a clean sheet in league fixtures (merely three achieved in 30 matches to date and, ironically, one of those was when Jordan Hulme was in goal for over half an hour), all of which means that we need to score at least two goals to win a game.

Plus we are both ridiculously and regularly vulnerable and porous at set-pieces and misgivings about our goalkeeper in such situations continue to grow.

I couldn't believe our naive defending for Bromley's second goal, when the dangerous Omar Sowunmi (who, incidentally, scored against us with a header from a set-piece at the JDS last season) was allowed an unmarked 20-yard trot into the penalty area on his route to winning that key header from a corner.

Plenty of huff and puff after we had pulled a goal back but it was all rather devoid of quality, with the sole exception of that delightful through ball to Linney which was executed by Pringle. Surely, he must get the nod over the utterly ineffective Cashman for the Woking fixture on Saturday?

It's all getting rather concerning.

Lovely words from Bill Waterson in his heartfelt tribute to John King, by the way. 

   
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Strong summer needed on February 15, 2023, 06:48:22 AM
Very poor
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 15, 2023, 08:19:48 AM
September part 2.

I didn't go the game after getting a throat infection on the last train out of Saigon on Saturday.

But 2-0, 2-1 back huff and puff. Sounds oh so familiar.

Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 15, 2023, 08:38:31 AM
Looked a lot better when Pringle and Linney came on.

Can't believe people are slating Osbourne, thought he was our 2nd best player behind Marriott.

Welsh-Hayes had a poor game by his standards, but the real issue is Byrne. I believe we've invested heavy in him but he looks shot.

Going to be a long hard 2-3 weeks

Did we? I thought we got him for free hence the issuenin August.

This is the problem (and theres problems having 2 keepers in reduced quality) of 1 GK
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 15, 2023, 08:52:39 AM
Bromley have lost one league game since mid November. While it was our best chance for three points on this hellish run, it was always going to be a battle and I think in the end we looked exactly what we are - a side gelling in the final third with serious inconsistencies at the back. Same story all season, after Torquay I described it as a

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…lack of maturity, concentration, confidence, intelligence, experience…

And, to be fair, that side at Torquay would have been mullered at Chesterfield and by Wrexham recently. So we’re clearly moving in the right direction, but how can we go from those performances to the two gifts we gave Bromley in the first half. Completely killed us.

Welch-Hayes came here after no football in a long time and has played every minute since his debut. Worth bearing that in mind.

The playoffs were never on. We were in an inflated position due to other teams’ players becoming our stars and it was never sustainable I’m afraid. We’re not a million miles away from the top sides in this league but we’re playing them at the worst possible time. Do think we’ve got to grin and bear it a bit before it gets better. Woking play a very intensive press and I don’t see how we cope.


Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on February 15, 2023, 09:07:29 AM
Have they lost only one since mid November? It just goes to show how important it is to have a couple of quality centre backs and a useful keeper.


Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 15, 2023, 09:16:17 AM
Have they lost only one since mid November? It just goes to show how important it is to have a couple of quality centre backs and a useful keeper.

Yes mate in the league, a narrow 2-1 defeat to Wrexham. So let’s not get carried away is all I’m saying. The pendulum swings from “we can make the playoffs” to “we’re going down” quite quickly at Alty and some perspective is deffo needed.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on February 15, 2023, 09:17:46 AM
Bromley have lost one league game since mid November. While it was our best chance for three points on this hellish run, it was always going to be a battle and I think in the end we looked exactly what we are - a side gelling in the final third with serious inconsistencies at the back. Same story all season, after Torquay I described it as a

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…lack of maturity, concentration, confidence, intelligence, experience…

And, to be fair, that side at Torquay would have been mullered at Chesterfield and by Wrexham recently. So we’re clearly moving in the right direction, but how can we go from those performances to the two gifts we gave Bromley in the first half. Completely killed us.

Welch-Hayes came here after no football in a long time and has played every minute since his debut. Worth bearing that in mind.

The playoffs were never on. We were in an inflated position due to other teams’ players becoming our stars and it was never sustainable I’m afraid. We’re not a million miles away from the top sides in this league but we’re playing them at the worst possible time. Do think we’ve got to grin and bear it a bit before it gets better. Woking play a very intensive press and I don’t see how we cope.
generally agree here Andrew. Need to tighten up at the back, if need be give Ollie a rest, I'd bring Gouldy in. Just need to be more clinical up front, we've been saying this most of the season. Linney looked useful when got on. Hopefully he can settle, arrive on time and get a good run going with assists and a few goals.

I don't normally single out players but think Cashman has been poor to date and don't see anything in Kaja.

Another tough game on Saturday, I'll be there hoping for a better result.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on February 15, 2023, 09:18:22 AM
I’m happy with Baines, Jones has an error in him, I would love to get Kyle Ferguson back here, for some reason I have a feeling he wouldn’t be too keen to return, hence, the reason we haven’t asked the question
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on February 15, 2023, 09:27:22 AM
I’m happy with Baines, Jones has an error in him, I would love to get Kyle Ferguson back here, for some reason I have a feeling he wouldn’t be too keen to return, hence, the reason we haven’t asked the question
Maybe we asked and the answer was no at the time, maybe ask again. Good shout that
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Leon on February 15, 2023, 09:36:18 AM
One thing that came out of the interview I did with PP on Saturday is that he said we don't practise set pieces in a genuine, contested way for fear of people getting injured. We just give them a lot of info on what the opposition will look to do. I can't help thinking that needs to change because it's clearly not working. Our vulnerability at set pieces is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Seth on February 15, 2023, 09:44:06 AM
Looked a lot better when Pringle and Linney came on.

Can't believe people are slating Osbourne, thought he was our 2nd best player behind Marriott.

Welsh-Hayes had a poor game by his standards, but the real issue is Byrne. I believe we've invested heavy in him but he looks shot.

Going to be a long hard 2-3 weeks

Did we? I thought we got him for free hence the issuenin August.

This is the problem (and theres problems having 2 keepers in reduced quality) of 1 GK

according to Transfermarkt we paid 12k euros
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 15, 2023, 09:48:26 AM
I’m happy with Baines, Jones has an error in him, I would love to get Kyle Ferguson back here, for some reason I have a feeling he wouldn’t be too keen to return, hence, the reason we haven’t asked the question
Maybe we asked and the answer was no at the time, maybe ask again. Good shout that

I think Ferguson was injured over Xmas. But Id expect us to try for him come June.

What's Billy Sass Davies upto?
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Hale Alty on February 15, 2023, 10:21:30 AM
One thing that came out of the interview I did with PP on Saturday is that he said we don't practise set pieces in a genuine, contested way for fear of people getting injured. We just give them a lot of info on what the opposition will look to do. I can't help thinking that needs to change because it's clearly not working. Our vulnerability at set pieces is getting ridiculous.

I remember years ago watching a documentary on football where (might have been) Stan Cullis said at (might have been) Wolves they didn't train with a football so they'd be hungry for the ball on match day. Maybe we could try that too.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: swindellsworth on February 15, 2023, 10:33:56 AM
Since losing Colclough and Conn-Clarke we just don't have the game changers to turn these tight games around and as Andrew said our situation IS concerning .  The bottom two look dead in the water but if Gateshead and Torquay put a run together and the log jam of teams just beneath us keep picking up points , in four weeks time we could well be right down there in a dogfight .   We need a win or two somewhere from this away run to turn the tide.   I do believe we will be ok but not as confident as would like tbh.
  Talking of game changers , if Southend go under in a couple of weeks time ......
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on February 15, 2023, 02:17:47 PM
Good post Andrew. I have serious concerns that Padraig Amond will have a field day on Saturday. Other clubs have weighed up where our manifold problems like, and will set up to exploit them at every opportunity. Woking drew at Wrexham and are clearly different gravy.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 15, 2023, 04:53:49 PM
The only two teams I'm convinced will go down are Dorking and Maidstone at this stage.

Scunny's results have been encouraging of late and they, along with Torquay and Gateshead, are more than capable of reeling us in.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 15, 2023, 07:02:28 PM


It sounds like Bromley had a few issues. Hope that their player is now OK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdW2O0Q258 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdW2O0Q258)
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on February 17, 2023, 02:26:34 PM
Have they lost only one since mid November? It just goes to show how important it is to have a couple of quality centre backs and a useful keeper.

I think that the main reason we are failing to deal with virtually all crosses and set pieces that invade our box has much more to do with the lack of any Centre Back intervention. This has left Ollie vulnerable to some harsh criticism that I do not feel he deserves right now. I agree that he has made a few mistakes but lets give him a rest and another chance playing alongside a couple of decent CBs before we judge him.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 17, 2023, 02:28:31 PM
Have they lost only one since mid November? It just goes to show how important it is to have a couple of quality centre backs and a useful keeper.

I think that the main reason we are failing to deal with virtually all crosses and set pieces that invade our box has much more to do with the lack of any Centre Back intervention. This has left Ollie vulnerable to some harsh criticism that I do not feel he deserves right now. I agree that he has made a few mistakes but lets give him a rest and another chance playing alongside a couple of decent CBs before we judge him.

Decent CB? Baines will be playing EFL football soon, and Jones got a move from North to League 2. He had Mullarky as well.

He needs to command that area. Not be glued to his line
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on February 18, 2023, 10:24:03 AM
I’m happy with Baines, Jones has an error in him, I would love to get Kyle Ferguson back here, for some reason I have a feeling he wouldn’t be too keen to return, hence, the reason we haven’t asked the question

I agree with the above entirely. It pains me to say that EFL2 was a step too far for James and he is on the cusp at the current level.  He was excellent at the level below.

I too would love to see Kyle back again.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on February 18, 2023, 11:21:47 AM

Decent CB? Baines will be playing EFL football soon, and Jones got a move from North to League 2. He had Mullarky as well.

He needs to command that area. Not be glued to his line

Toby is in the past tense and therefore can have no bearing on our recent performances (0 points from a possible 12).

I agree with you that a keeper needs to be able to command his area but that is not his exclusivity and the outfielders recent defence of set pieces and crosses has been woefully poor.

I'm sorry but I don't see the same level of performance from James Jones that he displayed in the N.L.North where he was arguably the best CB in the League.

Lewis Baines... undoubtedly heading in an upwards trajectory as you say and I completely agree with you on this one.

Please give Ollie half a Dinanga of a chance.
   
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on February 18, 2023, 08:06:06 PM

Decent CB? Baines will be playing EFL football soon, and Jones got a move from North to League 2. He had Mullarky as well.

He needs to command that area. Not be glued to his line

Toby is in the past tense and therefore can have no bearing on our recent performances (0 points from a possible 12).

I agree with you that a keeper needs to be able to command his area but that is not his exclusivity and the outfielders recent defence of set pieces and crosses has been woefully poor.

I'm sorry but I don't see the same level of performance from James Jones that he displayed in the N.L.North where he was arguably the best CB in the League.

Lewis Baines... undoubtedly heading in an upwards trajectory as you say and I completely agree with you on this one.

Please give Ollie half a Dinanga of a chance.
   

Byrne once again showed what he is extremely good at (Shot stopping) and extremely poor at (moving off his line)
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: Leon on February 18, 2023, 08:12:35 PM

Decent CB? Baines will be playing EFL football soon, and Jones got a move from North to League 2. He had Mullarky as well.

He needs to command that area. Not be glued to his line

Toby is in the past tense and therefore can have no bearing on our recent performances (0 points from a possible 12).

I agree with you that a keeper needs to be able to command his area but that is not his exclusivity and the outfielders recent defence of set pieces and crosses has been woefully poor.

I'm sorry but I don't see the same level of performance from James Jones that he displayed in the N.L.North where he was arguably the best CB in the League.

Lewis Baines... undoubtedly heading in an upwards trajectory as you say and I completely agree with you on this one.

Please give Ollie half a Dinanga of a chance.
   

Byrne once again showed what he is extremely good at (Shot stopping) and extremely poor at (moving off his line)

I massively disagree. Today was a big step forward for Byrne. For the first time that I’ve seen, he regularly came off his line and punched or caught crosses. He wasn’t perfect but for he was trying to be the keeper we need him to be.
Title: Re: Bromley Match Thread
Post by: AltyNotFaulty on February 18, 2023, 11:39:28 PM

Decent CB? Baines will be playing EFL football soon, and Jones got a move from North to League 2. He had Mullarky as well.

He needs to command that area. Not be glued to his line

Toby is in the past tense and therefore can have no bearing on our recent performances (0 points from a possible 12).

I agree with you that a keeper needs to be able to command his area but that is not his exclusivity and the outfielders recent defence of set pieces and crosses has been woefully poor.

I'm sorry but I don't see the same level of performance from James Jones that he displayed in the N.L.North where he was arguably the best CB in the League.

Lewis Baines... undoubtedly heading in an upwards trajectory as you say and I completely agree with you on this one.

Please give Ollie half a Dinanga of a chance.
   

Byrne once again showed what he is extremely good at (Shot stopping) and extremely poor at (moving off his line)

I massively disagree. Today was a big step forward for Byrne. For the first time that I’ve seen, he regularly came off his line and punched or caught crosses. He wasn’t perfect but for he was trying to be the keeper we need him to be.

I agree today was an improvement and Byrne made some good saves. However, his distribution was poor on a number of occasions, but we can’t get everything right over night!