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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on October 04, 2021, 09:40:34 AM
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Assuming Fitzpatrick and Bunny won't be available due to injury, not sure about Jackson availability
Densmore at left back and the same starting 10 as Saturday
Alty 1-1 Grimsby (Colclough)
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
Was hoping he hadn't.
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I fancy a 1-1, too.
Slightly worried about our energy levels later in the game, that was an absolute slog on Saturday - but this is the physically fittest squad I've ever seen us have.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hancock come in for one of our attacking midfield trio. Mooney, perhaps, could do with a rest.
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We've got the best squad we've had for donkeys years and PP's using it very well.
We obviously can't afford to make many changes at a time but we need to protect our key players and keep them from getting knackered so I think you may be right.
It's finding that balance between knowing your best eleven and keeping the rest of the squad keen in the belief that they have a great chance of making the team.
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As much as I love Dens I am hoping we have one of our natural left sided full backs available.
Pringle in for Furman.
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With a total wash out forecast for tomorrow its going to be a huge test for the new drainage system 12 months ago this would have been a 100% PP have a feeling the JD is going to be packed tomorrow night.
Going for a 2-1 victory
Attendance of around 2000 800 away.
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Let's hope we can too! 😉
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Holy schmoley.
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You've got to hand it to them; that is a brilliant effort for what will be a wet Tuesday evening.
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You've got to hand it to them; that is a brilliant effort for what will be a wet Tuesday evening.
Yup. Hope they are as well behaved as Notts and they go home with nil point.
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
Was hoping he hadn't.
What's that meant to mean? Surely we're not writing him off already?
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Wow thats got to be the most away fans ever for a league game if they sell more i would think the pop side will have to be segregated aswell could we actually get well over 2000 tomorrow?
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Wow thats got to be the most away fans ever for a league game if they sell more i would think the pop side will have to be segregated aswell could we actually get well over 2000 tomorrow?
Didn't Stockport bring well over a thousand first time we played them in the NLN?
Also, could be wrong but, what about the first Wrexham game?
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Fair play to them for a 200 mile plus round trip on a Tuesday night in crap weather that is absolutely incredible support, and would be about 2-3 leagues above this one too, suspect we might give them a bit of the Pop Side as well as the Chequers plus their seats in the Family Stand. We basically had 1000 home fans against Kings Lynn last Tuesday but suspect PSG-City on TV knocked a bit off the gate so hopefully with no TV distractions and in a bigger match against the leaders more like 1200-1300 on our side and similar from them we’ll be looking at around 2500 in. Rain should just about have eased off by KO too and good test for our new pitch and drainage system too-no question this would likely have been off last season for me.
They’ve been sensational at home but average away with 1 win, 2 draws and defeat at Bromley so we can do them. We’ll need to use the squad again though as that comeback win plus the long journey down at Daggers must have taken it out of the lads. Hancock and Pringle to come in and start perhaps.
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Wow thats got to be the most away fans ever for a league game if they sell more i would think the pop side will have to be segregated aswell could we actually get well over 2000 tomorrow?
Didn't Stockport bring well over a thousand first time we played them in the NLN?
Also, could be wrong but, what about the first Wrexham game?
Not sure but were they not Saturday games?
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I'm a bit concerned about giving them a just a bit of the popular side. If it does rain, it could end up very packed under the cover. If we open the pop side to them, yes the stewards could stop any more coming in if necessary but for me that would cause unnecessary friction in a big match where tensions may already be high. I suggest we would be better to give them half of it if they come in at all, which should be comfortably enough for all who want to go under cover. It might make for a better atmosphere in the home end as well.
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Wow thats got to be the most away fans ever for a league game if they sell more i would think the pop side will have to be segregated aswell could we actually get well over 2000 tomorrow?
Didn't Stockport bring well over a thousand first time we played them in the NLN?
Also, could be wrong but, what about the first Wrexham game?
Not sure but were they not Saturday games?
Wrexham I think was a bank holiday weekend when they brought about 1,600.
Certainly it could be the most ever for a league game on a wet Tuesday night, with a fuel crisis (apparently easing now), that's a long way to travel.
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Grimsby have sold 1000 tickets
Wow thats got to be the most away fans ever for a league game if they sell more i would think the pop side will have to be segregated aswell could we actually get well over 2000 tomorrow?
Didn't Stockport bring well over a thousand first time we played them in the NLN?
Also, could be wrong but, what about the first Wrexham game?
Not sure but were they not Saturday games?
Sorry. Didn't realise you were meaning mid-week games only.
In that case it's going to be the biggest away following for ages.
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I'm a bit concerned about giving them a just a bit of the popular side. If it does rain, it could end up very packed under the cover. If we open the pop side to them, yes the stewards could stop any more coming in if necessary but for me that would cause unnecessary friction in a big match where tensions may already be high. I suggest we would be better to give them half of it if they come in at all, which should be comfortably enough for all who want to go under cover. It might make for a better atmosphere in the home end as well.
Nope.....Popside is for home supporters when we kick towards the Chequers end. Happy for the captain's to sort it so 50% of the pop side becomes available second half and we kick towards Golf Rd, but Popside is no longer to be used for accommodating away fans at the expense of pissing off home support
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Wrexham brought loads for a trophy midweek
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If we give up any of the pop side, you might as well tell Parkinson to turn it in as well.
That top corner, packed, whilst a away side can't sing in the wind and rain makes a huge difference.
Even if we attack the Golf Road, I'll be hugely disappointed if we give up that corner.
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You either give them more space in that final third or you cap their allocation of tickets, which I'd imagine we don't want to do.
If Grimsby fans are being given that space then Altrincham fans should stay on the Golf Road End rather than move around.
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Tonight going to be a learning curve for the club perhaps the big games we play should be made all ticket having tickets available to purchase on the gate is asking for trouble potentially allowing Away fans into the home section i am sure Grimbsy fans will be no trouble but all it takes and we have seen it before is a couple of idiots in the home end looking for trouble.
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Will miss listening tonight as I am in hospital
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Personally, I'd cap the away end, give an allocation in the family stand like Notts County and take the hit.
Hale End terrace: 1,434 is plenty of tickets; it's 22% capacity of our ground. Imagine United giving City
You're giving a huge advantage up and we haven't learnt from when we played nice with Chester fans.
Is £3500 (200*£17) worth losing advantage for - WITHOUT any being concession/kids etc.
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Looks like Grimsby will be given some of the pop side tonight according to twitter. I understand the sentiment but also can't help but think it puts us at a slight disadvantage for being at home.
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There were many considerations in allowing Grimsby some of the pop side, not least a risk of incursions at the home end if the away end is sold out. By giving Grimsby the scope to have more than 1500 supporters in the ground we remove the risk of that.
We have sold over 2000 tickets for this game already. It is already our biggest Tuesday league crowd since Macclesfield in 1994-5 and I believe we can surpass that. There are still over two hours to kick off and tickets are still selling well.
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I've no problem with fitting as many as possible away fans in.
Remember Stockport having some of the Popular stand, think we won 4-1
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I can see why the club have gven some of the popside to GT fans, though always disappointing to lose that corner, if it reduces the risk of GT fans in the home end, though I assume there was always going to be a police presence anyway?
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I can see why the club have gven some of the popside to GT fans, though always disappointing to lose that corner, if it reduces the risk of GT fans in the home end, though I assume there was always going to be a police presence anyway?
There was no issue with Notts County.
No surprise we went 1 nil up against them after backing the lads.
Thoroughly disappointed by this decision after the club said we wouldn't allow away fans in the home sections.
Might as well start Tom Peers.
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Is that your humour coming across? 🙄😊
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Is that your humour coming across? 🙄😊
This is me being cross we've given up advtange
Won't be cross when we win
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Will miss listening tonight as I am in hospital
I hope there is nothing too bad and you are back out as soon as poss.
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A very good team who did their homework on us.
Really pressed us and forced two mistakes, Toby and I think Hannigan for the second. The third they walked through us.
Was never confident with the selection. Moult and Furman are good players but together they look far too static. Pringle must start each game if fit, only made the last two home games and he is quality.
Would 100% have Dens over Jackson until one of our 4 LB's become available.
Would try Hanks up top with Kossy no.10. Missed Kossy dropping in when they were all over us first half.
Decent comeback attempt. Can't be too disheartened but expect Pringle to start on Sat.
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Wowzers just looking at the attendance at tonights games
And the prize goes to Wrexham just over 9 thousand there tonight :o
As for our game tonight game turned when they went down to 10 men which admitly looked very harsh please can we start Ben Pringle from the start what a difference he made when he came on though we were superb 2nd half and probably unlucky not to have nicked a point not to down tonight we ran the league leaders close in the end on to Saturday when we go again.
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I can't be the only one who would've been happy with a 2 points return from these last two games - never mind with 5 mins to go on Saturday - so tonight was a free hit imho. Grimsby are flying at the moment and left relieved not to have lost a 3 goal lead, so we should take the 2nd half performance into Saturday in a positive mindset.
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On a side note Grimbsy might find themselves in bother and throwing objects at TT and throwing a flare on the pitch
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Yeah, fair play to Grimsby, they looked a very good side who closed us down very well when they had 11 on the pitch, didn't let us settle.
Will have to wait for the highlights but looked like the same midfielder lost the ball for both their second and third goals, so he and others who haven't had much game time might have been slightly off the pace against decent opposition.
An entertaining game, we gave it a good go against the ten men, possibly ran out of time. Good away following for a wet Tuesday night and good to see a lot of young fans in the home end who hopefully enjoyed the game.
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On a side note Grimbsy might find themselves in bother and throwing objects at TT and throwing a flare on the pitch
Damaged the nets as well
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Pringle looked good when he came on, but Furman was one of our best players on Saturday. Not easy to choose between them, so I'll gladly leave that to Parky and Neil.
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Pringle looked good when he came on, but Furman was one of our best players on Saturday. Not easy to choose between them, so I'll gladly leave that to Parky and Neil.
Maybe give Jake a rest on Saturday and give two experienced ex EFL players a go
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We fought hard in that second half to get back into the game so credit to the lads there. I thought Grimsby were excellent tonight, quick on the ball and didn't give us any time or space until they went down to 10. Definitely the best side I've seen this season and truthfully speaking probably had a bit too much for us before the red.
As some have said already 3 points from these last 2 games is a superb return overall, especially as we've played two league leaders in the space of a few days. I'd imagine Parky will be trying to rotate the squad just enough to try and ensure we don't suffer a bit of burnout like we did last season whilst ensuring we continue to put in these excellent performances.
Unbelievable support from them too bringing that many but also 1600 Alty fans for a Tuesday night is something I don't think I've ever seen for a league game before.
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Beaten by an excellent team tonight who were at us from the off..
Ben Pringle must start every game possible, that boy makes the game look easy and is a pleasure to watch.
Mooney is also a class act, Mullarkey has adapted to the National League well.
Not sure about Dinanga, jury still out on him
Fantastic crowd For a Tues night in sh*tty weather both sets of fans
I love to see that away end packed out. As for giving up that bit of the pop side… I don’t have a problem with that when the away team have masses of fans..
Back to it on Saturday.
Onwards & Upwards.
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I got quite wet in the fan zone at half time. Not a criticism but when is the roof going on it (I think that was part of the plans)?
As for the pop side, again it's a nice problem to have, where to put over a thousand away fans on a Tuesday night!
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Onwards and upwards. COME ON ALTY
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The sending off saved us the embarrassment of a 5-0 or 6-0 defeat in my opinion. They were that much better than us up until that point. Having said that if the game would of had another 15 minutes to go I think that we would have beaten them!
A very entertaining game.
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On a side note Grimbsy might find themselves in bother and throwing objects at TT and throwing a flare on the pitch
Soon as you give them what they want, and what they want without kicking anyone out they'll continue it all night.
We had fans turfed out at Halifax. I can't imagine many were escorted out last night
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Couldn't get to the game unfortunately, but it's no disgrace to lose to Grimsby, especially so narrowly. I can't imagine we'll play much more difficult opposition.
I can't believe Ben Pringle is still not starting - surely that needs putting right sooner rather than later. In the games I have seen, he has been our best player by a mile.
I'd be giving Leitch-Smith a start up front too.
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"Lads looked much more like themselves in the second half with a crowd that could get behind them, albeit the man difference helped. Please don’t make that pop side final third a regular thing for big away crowds, rendered the first half useless. We’re not that strapped for cash."
Straight from twitter and couldn't put it better.
Home support was split between 2 areas of the ground. We were superb getting behind the last at 2 nil, 3 nil 3-1 and 3-2.
Famous nights like Brackley, Blyth, Barnsley all had us in that top corner. What could have been ey.
Dont make statements in August saying you'll allow us to have that corner and take it back at the first sign off a pound coin.
And if you are, pay some stewards prepared to chuck people out for flares, chucking coins, and going on the pitch
Horrible first half, better last 25 minutes.
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I wonder if an underlying issue here is that there's a mismatch between the official capacity of the away end (1434 - or is it even more after the recent changes?) and how many people we can practically and safely accommodate on it? Could the 1250 Grimsby fans last night have actually fitted into the Chequers End? It's good for the club to have as big a stadium capacity as possible but a more realistic figure for the away end might make people more understanding of the decision to give away fans part of the pop side in exceptional circumstances.
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I wonder if an underlying issue here is that there's a mismatch between the official capacity of the away end (1434 - or is it even more after the recent changes?) and how many people we can practically and safely accommodate on it? Could the 1250 Grimsby fans last night have actually fitted into the Chequers End? It's good for the club to have as big a stadium capacity as possible but a more realistic figure for the away end might make people more understanding of the decision to give away fans more of the pop side in exceptional circumstances.
Agreed. Notts County had about 800 on there and it looked pretty full then. I don’t think you could have much more then 1000 on there safely. Could one option be to give away teams with large followings all of the family stand and have sponsors in the main stand (where they’ll have a better view of the pitch too and it’s never looked that full in there this season) so there’s a bit less pressure on the away end.
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I wonder if an underlying issue here is that there's a mismatch between the official capacity of the away end (1434 - or is it even more after the recent changes?) and how many people we can practically and safely accommodate on it? Could the 1250 Grimsby fans last night have actually fitted into the Chequers End? It's good for the club to have as big a stadium capacity as possible but a more realistic figure for the away end might make people more understanding of the decision to give away fans more of the pop side in exceptional circumstances.
Agreed. Notts County had about 800 on there and it looked pretty full then. I don’t think you could have much more then 1000 on there safely. Could one option be to give away teams with large followings all of the family stand and have sponsors in the main stand (where they’ll have a better view of the pitch too and it’s never looked that full in there this season) so there’s a bit less pressure on the away end.
The issue with that is that we have spent a chunk of money upgrading the sponsors lounge and the matchday experience. Having sponsors move to a different stand instead of something two steps away isn't great. I'd also argue the family stand has better legroom and unobstructed views. Maybe keep a lounge section for the family stand?
I thought it was quite right to give some of the Popular side to the Grimsby fans. It was a very large following and not an all ticket game. A very different scenario to the past when we gave that section up to 100 fans to be all kind and hospitable...
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"Lads looked much more like themselves in the second half with a crowd that could get behind them, albeit the man difference helped. Please don’t make that pop side final third a regular thing for big away crowds, rendered the first half useless. We’re not that strapped for cash."
Straight from twitter and couldn't put it better.
Home support was split between 2 areas of the ground. We were superb getting behind the last at 2 nil, 3 nil 3-1 and 3-2.
Famous nights like Brackley, Blyth, Barnsley all had us in that top corner. What could have been ey.
Dont make statements in August saying you'll allow us to have that corner and take it back at the first sign off a pound coin.
And if you are, pay some stewards prepared to chuck people out for flares, chucking coins, and going on the pitch
Horrible first half, better last 25 minutes.
It wouldn’t have made an ounce of difference had we had the whole of the ground for fans or if it was behind closed doors.
They were a class act who had done their homework on us. They were by far the better team. That’s the kind of footballing side we should be aiming to be. Halifax looked very good but Grimsby last night were far better than Halifax.
We aspire to be a big club so we have to expect bigger clubs will play us and we should learn from them.
The flares thing seems a bit pot and kettle considering our fans had them at the Brackley and Blyth games. Personally have no problem with them as long as nobody gets hurt.
Very entertaining game, the better team won but plenty for us to learn from them.
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I don't think Southport will let us have a roof if it rains. They'll want the extra advantage that comes with fans in the rain and open end.
Parkinson often references a good crowd lift those lads and we saw it.
Big clubs won't have their tummy tickled for a few quid.
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I don't think Southport will let us have a roof if it rains. They'll want the extra advantage that comes with fans in the rain and open end.
Parkinson often references a good crowd lift those lads and we saw it.
Big clubs won't have their tummy tickled for a few quid.
I saw the most influential player of the first half get sent off and a great team 3-0 up sit off and invite us to attack them.
It’s the managers job to get the players up for the game and pick the best 11 for that game. IMO he didn’t pick the best 11 for that game last night.
We won’t take 1200 fans to Southport to warrant having any covered section of their ground so I agree they won’t give us any cover.
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I'd imagine there's a strong correlation between those unbothered about the final third of the pop side going to away fans, and those who do not sing at games. I appreciate the club want the extra money from a bumper away attendance and that's absolutely fine, their decision to make, but please don't expect those who try so hard to vocally get behind the lads to be a-ok with surrendering such an advantageous position.
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I wonder if an underlying issue here is that there's a mismatch between the official capacity of the away end (1434 - or is it even more after the recent changes?) and how many people we can practically and safely accommodate on it? Could the 1250 Grimsby fans last night have actually fitted into the Chequers End? It's good for the club to have as big a stadium capacity as possible but a more realistic figure for the away end might make people more understanding of the decision to give away fans more of the pop side in exceptional circumstances.
Agreed. Notts County had about 800 on there and it looked pretty full then. I don’t think you could have much more then 1000 on there safely. Could one option be to give away teams with large followings all of the family stand and have sponsors in the main stand (where they’ll have a better view of the pitch too and it’s never looked that full in there this season) so there’s a bit less pressure on the away end.
Making the family stand away fans only is a good idea.
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I don't think Southport will let us have a roof if it rains. They'll want the extra advantage that comes with fans in the rain and open end.
Parkinson often references a good crowd lift those lads and we saw it.
Big clubs won't have their tummy tickled for a few quid.
I saw the most influential player of the first half get sent off and a great team 3-0 up sit off and invite us to attack them.
It’s the managers job to get the players up for the game and pick the best 11 for that game. IMO he didn’t pick the best 11 for that game last night.
We won’t take 1200 fans to Southport to warrant having any covered section of their ground so I agree they won’t give us any cover.
Didn't realise their CM, CB or Striker got sent off?.
Parkinson didn't pick the best team, but what we can - and people on this form - can change is our ability to take the 1%s
In August 2020, co-chairman Bill Waterson revealed that the latest ground licensing arrangements permit a capacity crowd of 7,873 spectators at The J. Davidson Stadium, 1,434 on the away end. The crowd was less than that of away fans.
Once again the club have benefitted away fans over home fan experience. Happy to praise, but let's not pretend we get everything right.
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I don't think Southport will let us have a roof if it rains. They'll want the extra advantage that comes with fans in the rain and open end.
Parkinson often references a good crowd lift those lads and we saw it.
Big clubs won't have their tummy tickled for a few quid.
I saw the most influential player of the first half get sent off and a great team 3-0 up sit off and invite us to attack them.
It’s the managers job to get the players up for the game and pick the best 11 for that game. IMO he didn’t pick the best 11 for that game last night.
We won’t take 1200 fans to Southport to warrant having any covered section of their ground so I agree they won’t give us any cover.
Didn't realise their CM, CB or Striker got sent off?.
Parkinson didn't pick the best team, but what we can - and people on this form - can change is our ability to take the 1%s
In August 2020, co-chairman Bill Waterson revealed that the latest ground licensing arrangements permit a capacity crowd of 7,873 spectators at The J. Davidson Stadium, 1,434 on the away end. The crowd was less than that of away fans.
Once again the club have benefitted away fans over home fan experience. Happy to praise, but let's not pretend we get everything right.
No it was just their most influential player that got sent off. Will Bapaga (on loan from Coventry City). Maybe it is a different game from the popular side after all.
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I would agree with this. There's still a lot of work to do before we're challenging for the title but that work is underway. Last night reminded me of some of our less successful FA Cup games when we've played a team from two divisions above. They were better, fitter and looked like they knew it...
I don't think Southport will let us have a roof if it rains. They'll want the extra advantage that comes with fans in the rain and open end.
Parkinson often references a good crowd lift those lads and we saw it.
Big clubs won't have their tummy tickled for a few quid.
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
Was hoping he hadn't.
You do seem to be holding it against him here...
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
Was hoping he hadn't.
You do seem to be holding it against him here...
This was at a point where we had no other choice for full back. I stand by it, he had a mare at Wealdstone, and looked shaky, against Torquay when he we brought on.
Densmore had a class game 2 days earlier at FB.
If you bother to read or listen to my other opinions, I've also said Mooney has to start as has been correct, that Peers is an excellent Sub (as shown so far).
You read the name and decide its going to be wrong opinion.
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Jackson has completed his suspension so should be available.
Was hoping he hadn't.
You do seem to be holding it against him here...
This was at a point where we had no other choice for full back. I stand by it, he had a mare at Wealdstone, and looked shaky, against Torquay when he we brought on.
Densmore had a class game 2 days earlier at FB.
If you bother to read or listen to my other opinions, I've also said Mooney has to start as has been correct, that Peers is an excellent Sub (as shown so far).
You read the name and decide its going to be wrong opinion.
I just don't understand why you're knocking Jackson for his performances as an emergency full-back. You might as well slag off Nicky Clee for not being great in goal (an exaggeration but not much of one). And for what it's worth, I agree that he looked shaky to begin with at Torquay but then I thought he did much better in the second half and overall coped quite well for a guy playing out of position who hadn't had a game for three weeks. Generally I think he's been ok at right back, given the circumstances. I'm sure Dens would always be picked ahead of him if he were fully fit - I assume he didn't play against Grimsby because he'd played many more minutes than anticipated against D&R and it was considered too big a risk to play him again a few days later. Seems like sensible, long-term thinking to me.
I always rated Jackson at Chester and on Saturday he gave us a glimpse of what a great alternative to Mooney he could be on the right wing. That is the big story here, not his understandable struggles playing in a position where you, I, he and everyone hopes he doesn't have to play again.
And I'm disagreeing with you because I disagree with the opinions you're expressing. The fact it's you and not any other forum contributor is irrelevant.
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Dont think Clee conceded a goal while wearing the glove, unlike Johnstone
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Much as I enjoy these occasional bouts of fencing, do bear in mind, all of you, that we're all on here because we're all passionate about the Robins!
One of the many things I love about this forum, apart from the passion, is the way it never gets like those of Chester or Southport, for example, do.
I know we're light years away from that and let's keep it like that.
Up the Robins!