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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: The Cult of Mick Carmody on October 30, 2006, 06:43:13 PM

Title: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: The Cult of Mick Carmody on October 30, 2006, 06:43:13 PM
Who knows what on earth is going on at Crawley?

Meanwhile, here's what the impact would be of them being removed from the league. 

Crawley Town have played 17 Conference games to date, winning 7, drawing 1 and losing 9.

The following team would lose ONE point:

Exeter City.

The following teams would each lose THREE points:

Stafford Rangers
Northwich Vics
Dagenham & Redbridge
Southport
Oxford United
Grays
Burton Albion
Weymouth
Forest Green Rovers

The following teams LOST against Crawley:

Rushden & Diamonds
Woking
Stevenage Borough
York City
Kidderminster Harriers
Morecambe

Whilst not wishing Crawley's genuine supporters any ill, it has to be said that the loss of three points by certain teams would work in Alty's favour.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 30, 2006, 06:48:06 PM
Isn't there a site where you can play about with the league tables to exclude fixtures by a certain club?
It would certainly be interesting to see the league table without Crawley.

Having said that, I don't think it will happen. Someone will come in to save them.

I just can't keep up with all the chicanery.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Jimmy Hill on October 30, 2006, 06:50:09 PM
Table without Crawley (http://www.confguide.com/removeClub.do?season=2006&club=craw).
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 30, 2006, 07:01:09 PM
Thanks very much Jimmy - very interesting (if hypothetical) reading!
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: NLF on October 30, 2006, 07:23:00 PM
They seem to be having more deadlines than the Victoria Stadium. If only we had loads of extra days to submit Robinsons Int Clearance.

For the sake of their fans I hope it's sorted out one way or another and soon its just odd that the deadlines keep getting dragged out.

When things get dragged out it usually means its not good news.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 31, 2006, 09:57:44 AM
On the contrary, I think.
The fact that Moules et al are allowing it to be dragged out - or even allowed them to start the season - demonstrates that the powers that be would do almost anything to keep 24 clubs in this league to improve its credibility during ongoing talks to make it 3 up/3 down with Div 2.
The biggest problem will be to try and put pressure on the IRS to accept a deal as the club gets sold for next to nothing to those waiting to pounce.
How glad I am to be an Alty fan.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Alty Dave on October 31, 2006, 11:34:12 AM
I agree with the last post that the conference will not step in and hope they keep trading!

I also think this is why Nationwide are pulling the plug! All the problems the league has had over the last few years.

The real crawley supporters must be going through hell!

Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 31, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
Yes it will be a real disaster if Nationwide go.

Am I right in thinking that Pukka Pies are negotiating to take over sponsorship?!!

The "Pukka Pies Conference" will not do a great deal to increase the credibility of the league in the eyes of the Football League  ::)
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Amsterdam Alty on October 31, 2006, 12:45:07 PM
Yes it will be a real disaster if Nationwide go.

Am I right in thinking that Pukka Pies are negotiating to take over sponsorship?!!

The "Pukka Pies Conference" will not do a great deal to increase the credibility of the league in the eyes of the Football League  ::)

your joking right! pukka pies conference is possibly the best thing ever! and hey the league had the milk cup so they have no right to be looking down their nose!
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 31, 2006, 12:51:25 PM
Hollands pies perhaps that's another story  :D - Pukka pies is that southern rubbish isn't it?  ???
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 31, 2006, 12:52:41 PM
PS:

If they gave us free pies to entice more speccies in the ground, I think I could be persuaded  ;D
Title: New sponsors
Post by: Who ate all the pies on October 31, 2006, 01:12:25 PM
Pukka Pies are not the Southern softy type at all and used to be available at all top Northern grounds in the 80s eg Donny Rovers, Scunny and Chesterfield to name a few ! Think they are from the Midlands.

Agree though that the product does not conjure up the type of image that Moules wants to aspire to. But heh so what. Recently Sheff Weds were sponsored by 'Chuppa Chup' and previously 'Mr Tom' (think it was illfated dog food). Who can forget the Freight Rover Trophy or the 'excellent' Interlink Expressway Stadium (umm)
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Saughall Robin on October 31, 2006, 01:22:51 PM
Pukka Pies ... used to be available at all top Northern grounds in the 80s eg Donny Rovers, Scunny and Chesterfield to name a few !

Makes a pleasant change from the cucumber sandwiches at the largest Northern grounds!

I think I should try a few before I make any more comments!

- mines a Snake and Pigmy  ;D ;D  ;)
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on October 31, 2006, 02:38:44 PM
Are they Southern? Well, it really depends on where you like to draw that divisive line. Personally I'd say not as they are manufactured just North of Leicester......however, they do have the added distraction of being sponsors to the 'official' England supporters band......oh dear.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: lem on October 31, 2006, 03:13:58 PM
Would benefit us too but I can't say I wish them any harm.

Hope it works out for them.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: baldrick on November 01, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
These clubs that close down always reappear in a lower league so why not just relegate them and cut out all the fuss. A few examples... Maidstone, Telford, Newport, Aldershot
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Sarf London Alty on November 01, 2006, 12:37:36 PM
For me, the whole Crawley saga has dragged on for far too long now. It's obvious that while the Majeeds are involved the creditors aren't going to see any of their money and they are taking the piss out of everyone. The Conference should have had the balls to get rid of them in the summer, no wonder Nationwide are giving up the sponsorship.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Johnnyjenga on November 01, 2006, 12:51:25 PM
For me, the whole Crawley saga has dragged on for far too long now. It's obvious that while the Majeeds are involved the creditors aren't going to see any of their money and they are taking the piss out of everyone. The Conference should have had the balls to get rid of them in the summer, no wonder Nationwide are giving up the sponsorship.

Not very nice really, how would you feel if people said, "the conference should have the balls to deduct 18 points from them and get rid of them"

It would be a shame for the fans and all those innocent people involved in the club if they were closed down.
Title: Re: The Crawley fiasco and who would lose points if their results were expunged...
Post by: Sarf London Alty on November 01, 2006, 01:01:01 PM
There are no parralels that I can see between the Robinson situation and Crawley's plight. While yes it would be a huge shame for all the loyal Crawley fans who've been there through thick and thin, to simplify Crawley like so so many before them have spent vast amounts of money that they simply didn't have, now owe huge sums left, right and centre and large numbers of fans are boycotting games because two men have ruined the club in the space of a year. We did that in the Berman days, had to suffer 5 years of plodding round the Unibond and only now are we getting back on an even keel.

The point is, if Scabs were kicked out in the summer, then Crawley (if they are to be consistent) should be dealt with in a similar fashion now.
Title: Inland Revenue
Post by: Ashley Alty on November 01, 2006, 01:50:09 PM
I think the answer lies with the Revenue as to whether Crawley will survive this or not, and the Jeweller, Mr. Goodwin.  When the Cambridge United situation was settled, it was said that the Revenue would not get into any further arrangements with football clubs in that way and I think they are looking for the first victim.

I wish the Crawley Town fans and the Devils Trust the best result for all concerned and I know they are capable of doing whatever is necessary to keep the name of Crawley Town, in whatever guise, still playing football somewhere.

AA