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Title: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on December 24, 2023, 11:17:36 AM
Going early, as tomorrow is always mayhem.

Praying Ross will be fit.

Guessing Osbourne is banned for this game? Short in CM and FB positions.

Got to be starting Linney up top tomorrow.

Would also give Donawa a run at RB, if fit. Thought both Banks and Dackers had a poor game yesterday.

                     Ross

Donawa    Cooper     Baines     Jones

                Marriott    Wilson

Amaluzor        CCC          Newby

                    Linney

Subs : CB, Kossy, Mooney, Dackers & Banks
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on December 24, 2023, 11:19:05 AM
Just seen that E.Jones is going to be out for a while….. anyone know what the injury is? Big loss
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on December 24, 2023, 12:25:17 PM
Bringing another 7 to this game on Boxing Day. Not been to Boxing Day game for a few years now, usually a pub session in the afternoon, but having one at the club now.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on December 24, 2023, 01:26:36 PM
Halifax are one of those odd teams who seem to do much better away from home but we have a v strong home record so something will have to give. The injuries & suspensions we have in defence/midfield are a concern so we will have to be clinical with our finishing I think (unlike Fylde home game for example) as Halifax play a dour style & don’t give much away.

I foresee either a 1-1 draw or a 2-1 home win. Not much in it as usual because both clubs know each other so well. Forecast mild with no chance of rain which will be a relief to all concerned. I reckon the attendance will surpass last years 3,008 as we are doing much better in the league this year, I reckon 3,500ish with 5-600 grumpy Yorkshire folk in the away end.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: CRT Butty on December 24, 2023, 05:32:38 PM
Me plus 5 will be on the Golf Road.

2 1 Alty win.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on December 25, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
We definitely have to start with proper full backs in my opinion

Brockbank was on the bench on Saturday, so hopefully he'll be deemed fit enough ti be able to start - with Lewis Banks returning to right back instead.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on December 26, 2023, 02:24:41 PM
LINE-UPS
29 Ethan Walker Ross           1 Sam Johnson
2 Lewis Banks              6 Jamie Stott
4 Lewis Baines              5 Adam Senior
8 Isaac Marriott           2 Tylor Golden
25 Marcus Dackers           16 Jordan Keane
19 George Wilson           14 K. Thompson-Sommers
30 Alex Newby              10 Jamie Cooke
15 J. Southern-Cooper            3 Ryan Galvin
10 C. Conn-Clarke           8 Jack Hunter
11 Justin Amaluzor           17 Max Wright
7 Matthew Kosylo           11 Millenic Alli

SUBS
21 Matthew Gould           7 Angelo Cappello
9 Regan Linney              18 Florent Hoti
12 Liam Brockbank           19 Aaron Cosgrave
14 Angus Dior              21 Tom Wilson
44 Daniel Mooney           22 Andrew Oluwabori
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on December 26, 2023, 03:46:00 PM
Alli is  becoming our nemesis
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Amsterdam Alty on December 26, 2023, 03:58:52 PM
Alli is  becoming our nemesis
Quite. In football manager I buy those players then make them rot in the youth team. I think it's worth it with him in real life 😂
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on December 26, 2023, 04:10:32 PM
Manager's got this one badly wrong - what's he playing at?! Trying to be far too clever and it's absolutely no surprise we look so incoherent.

Kosylo at right back
Banks at centre back
Baines at left back
Amaluzor left wing
Newby no10
Chris Conn-Clarke right wing

That's over half the team out of position - I don't understand what he's trying to do, and neither do the players from the looks of things. An absolute shambles so far.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on December 26, 2023, 04:30:42 PM
Brockbank coming on.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on December 26, 2023, 04:31:44 PM
Switched to 4-2-3-1
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on December 26, 2023, 05:12:32 PM
It's not often Parky gets it wrong. Hopefully a one off. Well played Halifax; always in control and wanted it more. Could and should have been more.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: jhcorbett on December 26, 2023, 06:48:02 PM
It's not often Parky gets it wrong. Hopefully a one off. Well played Halifax; always in control and wanted it more. Could and should have been more.

Yeah, they were first to everything, stronger and deserved to win by more than a one goal margin. We looked like a patched up side and missed Osbourne in CM. Too many players were way off it today, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on December 26, 2023, 07:09:38 PM

Well, that was abject. Easily our worst performance of the season, to my eyes.

We managed merely three shots on target, and the first of those didn't arrive until the 74th minute. The other two came in additional time.

You just got a sense that the players were not comfortable with whatever system we were set up to play. The absence of two key individuals simply served to illustrate that the depth of our squad was found wanting.

Halifax were sharper, better organised and fully warranted their victory.

I do wonder whether Ross' mobility had been hampered by Michael Cheek clattering him in the ribs during that second half at Bromley. That opening goal looked like rather a soft one to concede and was redolent of some of Byrne's mishaps last season.

Amaluzor looked totally off the pace; Kosylo was fortunate not to be sent off for a dreadful challenge; Conn-Clarke and Newby struggled to impose themselves on the game and Dackers failed to impress, once again (he doesn't merit his starting place, in my view, and it looks as if he might have peaked 14 minutes into his debut).

I think that I would have quietly retired that man of the match award today!

The sole consolation was the attendance of in excess of 3,900 (without the massive away following of a Stockport or Wrexham).

An afternoon to banish from the memory.   
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on December 26, 2023, 07:48:15 PM
That was awful.

Never like us playing wingbacks. Apart from the quality performance away to Gateshead.

Pulling Amaluzor early was bizarre. Surely bringing Kossy off, who was on a yellow and not match fit made more sense.

Amaluzor just needed to be pushed forward when we went to 4 at the back. Our pace and strength was then gone.

Chasing the game with two unfit wingers wasn’t great game management. They were stronger and quicker. We were bullied all game.

Dackers was poor again. He is really lazy. Parky really needs to start Linney, beginning to cost us

Need LB  and CM loans.
 
Would be nice to find out, how long Donawa, E Jones and J Jones are out for?
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on December 26, 2023, 07:58:55 PM

 
Would be nice to find out, how long Donawa, E Jones and J Jones are out for?



I believe that Eddy Jones said on Radio Robins this afternoon that his injury is relatively minor and he aims to be back in action in a couple of weeks.

I've heard that James Jones has an injury which requires surgery.

No idea whatsoever regarding Donowa's disappearance. Has he been lost in the Bermuda Triangle...?
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on December 26, 2023, 08:11:18 PM

 
Would be nice to find out, how long Donawa, E Jones and J Jones are out for?



I believe that Eddy Jones said on Radio Robins this afternoon that his injury is relatively minor and he aims to be back in action in a couple of weeks.

I've heard that James Jones has an injury which requires surgery.

No idea whatsoever regarding Donowa's disappearance. Has he been lost in the Bermuda Triangle...?

 Cheers
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on December 26, 2023, 08:20:31 PM

Well, that was abject. Easily our worst performance of the season, to my eyes.

We managed merely three shots on target, and the first of those didn't arrive until the 74th minute. The other two came in additional time.

You just got a sense that the players were not comfortable with whatever system we were set up to play. The absence of two key individuals simply served to illustrate that the depth of our squad was found wanting.

Halifax were sharper, better organised and fully warranted their victory.

I do wonder whether Ross' mobility had been hampered by Michael Cheek clattering him in the ribs during that second half at Bromley. That opening goal looked like rather a soft one to concede and was redolent of some of Byrne's mishaps last season.

Amaluzor looked totally off the pace; Kosylo was fortunate not to be sent off for a dreadful challenge; Conn-Clarke and Newby struggled to impose themselves on the game and Dackers failed to impress, once again (he doesn't merit his starting place, in my view, and it looks as if he might have peaked 14 minutes into his debut).

I think that I would have quietly retired that man of the match award today!

The sole consolation was the attendance of in excess of 3,900 (without the massive away following of a Stockport or Wrexham).

An afternoon to banish from the memory.   

Spot on. Collectively we looked off it. I do feel the long & late trip to Bromley on Saturday night & getting back in the early hours of Sunday morning has taken the legs out of us a bit. They were sharper. You could see the effects of Ross injury for their goals too no doubt, he didn’t & perhaps couldn’t get down quick enough. Overall one to forget, with Osbourne & Roscoe both back from suspension on NYD & their much poorer home record I suspect it will be a different game at the Shay.

Off the pitch the attendance magnificent, 3500 home fans against run of the mill opposition a superb turnout. The main plus. We also did hospitality which was very good-food & service spot on. Club keeps growing but days like today when big numbers are in show the absolute imperative to modernise the ground if we are to move from a 2000 average up to 2,500 then 3k.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: CRT Butty on December 26, 2023, 08:41:45 PM
Two words, proper bobbins.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Amsterdam Alty on December 26, 2023, 09:06:45 PM
I agree with cult, but a slight correction on the first goal, I don't think he saw much of it and there seemed to be a deflection from the view of the camera.

Brockback looked strong when he came on defensively, which is a positive sign. Wilson also seemed to be better in the middle, in his preferred area of the park. Unlike everyone else who were trying to fit in to a different scheme.

Square peg round holing it rarely works, but injuries are a problem at the moment.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: CRT Butty on December 26, 2023, 09:40:19 PM

Well, that was abject. Easily our worst performance of the season, to my eyes.

We managed merely three shots on target, and the first of those didn't arrive until the 74th minute. The other two came in additional time.

You just got a sense that the players were not comfortable with whatever system we were set up to play. The absence of two key individuals simply served to illustrate that the depth of our squad was found wanting.

Halifax were sharper, better organised and fully warranted their victory.

I do wonder whether Ross' mobility had been hampered by Michael Cheek clattering him in the ribs during that second half at Bromley. That opening goal looked like rather a soft one to concede and was redolent of some of Byrne's mishaps last season.

Amaluzor looked totally off the pace; Kosylo was fortunate not to be sent off for a dreadful challenge; Conn-Clarke and Newby struggled to impose themselves on the game and Dackers failed to impress, once again (he doesn't merit his starting place, in my view, and it looks as if he might have peaked 14 minutes into his debut).

I think that I would have quietly retired that man of the match award today!

The sole consolation was the attendance of in excess of 3,900 (without the massive away following of a Stockport or Wrexham).

An afternoon to banish from the memory.   

Spot on. Collectively we looked off it. I do feel the long & late trip to Bromley on Saturday night & getting back in the early hours of Sunday morning has taken the legs out of us a bit. They were sharper. You could see the effects of Ross injury for their goals too no doubt, he didn’t & perhaps couldn’t get down quick enough. Overall one to forget, with Osbourne & Roscoe both back from suspension on NYD & their much poorer home record I suspect it will be a different game at the Shay.

Off the pitch the attendance magnificent, 3500 home fans against run of the mill opposition a superb turnout. The main plus. We also did hospitality which was very good-food & service spot on. Club keeps growing but days like today when big numbers are in show the absolute imperative to modernise the ground if we are to move from a 2000 average up to 2,500 then 3k.

Checked the record. 10 years ago it was 1171 at home on boxing day. No doubt many thought that was a decent enough gate!
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on December 26, 2023, 10:53:58 PM
If the management had doubts about Brockbank, surely taking a punt on him in his natural position, so that everyone else can play in theirs, would have been more sensible?
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on December 26, 2023, 11:14:49 PM
It was a poor game. I thought the pitch didn't help. Definitely needs to dry out a bit for our style of play.
Justin was like a fish out of water.
Hoping for better on Monday
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on December 26, 2023, 11:30:08 PM
I don't think that Roscoe is in any way whatsoever an improvement on what was fairly dire today
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on December 27, 2023, 09:58:51 AM
It was a poor game. I thought the pitch didn't help. Definitely needs to dry out a bit for our style of play.
Justin was like a fish out of water.
Hoping for better on Monday

I felt sorry for Justin. He isn't a left wing back.

Him, CCC and Alex Newby looked all over the shop positionally.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on December 27, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
If the management had doubts about Brockbank, surely taking a punt on him in his natural position, so that everyone else can play in theirs, would have been more sensible?

For me, this is the most sensible comment on a game I'd rather forget.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on December 27, 2023, 11:06:14 AM
If the management had doubts about Brockbank, surely taking a punt on him in his natural position, so that everyone else can play in theirs, would have been more sensible?

For me, this is the most sensible comment on a game I'd rather forget.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on December 27, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
I have to take my hat off and confirm I felt the same way as fans in all of the above comments. However, there is a reason for everything and if you all listen to Phil's summing up of the game yesterday, they are not excuses for the defeat, but they do make me feel a little harsh in my criticism of the team and management yesterday.

Phil speaks of the long journey to Bromley, injuries picked up and also of playing a match with 10 men for the majority of the game, then a long journey home, arriving in the early hours. I'm not surprised there was very little left in the tank, the team did not have time to rebuild after that game, and Elliott was still carrying the blow to his ribs from Michael the Cheek.

I think we should just lay off them, put it behind us and go again on New Year's Day, and appreciate what a good speaker Phil is. I never saw things that way yesterday, but Phil is closer to the team than we are, knows his players well, and is vastly more experienced than we are. The points he made in his interview never crossed my mind during the game. He does support his team well, and I like the way we will still chanted for them and applauded them after the game. That alone could turn New Years Day into a win.

Don't be too disheartened by yesterday's result.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: AussieShaymen on December 27, 2023, 01:38:18 PM
I have to take my hat off and confirm I felt the same way as fans in all of the above comments. However, there is a reason for everything and if you all listen to Phil's summing up of the game yesterday, they are not excuses for the defeat, but they do make me feel a little harsh in my criticism of the team and management yesterday.

Phil speaks of the long journey to Bromley, injuries picked up and also of playing a match with 10 men for the majority of the game, then a long journey home, arriving in the early hours. I'm not surprised there was very little left in the tank, the team did not have time to rebuild after that game, and Elliott was still carrying the blow to his ribs from Michael the Cheek.

I think we should just lay off them, put it behind us and go again on New Year's Day, and appreciate what a good speaker Phil is. I never saw things that way yesterday, but Phil is closer to the team than we are, knows his players well, and is vastly more experienced than we are. The points he made in his interview never crossed my mind during the game. He does support his team well, and I like the way we will still chanted for them and applauded them after the game. That alone could turn New Years Day into a win.

Don't be too disheartened by yesterday's result.


As a Halifax fan, I thought the interview came off as slightly bitter. I don't want gushing praise from an opposing manager, but I do feel that interview will be shown to the Halifax players and manager and used as ammunition in the new years day game.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on December 27, 2023, 01:47:17 PM
Well bully for you. Hope you're not too bitter when we beat you (again) at yours in a few days.
PS. This isn't a bite which you're clearly trying to provoke but more of a heads up. 😉
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: AussieShaymen on December 27, 2023, 01:52:11 PM
Well bully for you. Hope you're not too bitter when we beat you (again) at yours in a few days.
PS. This isn't a bite which you're clearly trying to provoke but more of a heads up. 😉

If you think I was trying to get a bite, that's on you. I've liked Parkinson as a manager, and I like the ambition your club has shown over the last couple of seasons. Just thought that interview was interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on December 27, 2023, 02:03:41 PM
Well bully for you. Hope you're not too bitter when we beat you (again) at yours in a few days.
PS. This isn't a bite which you're clearly trying to provoke but more of a heads up. 😉

If you think I was trying to get a bite, that's on you. I've liked Parkinson as a manager, and I like the ambition your club has shown over the last couple of seasons. Just thought that interview was interesting to say the least.

I found it really odd there’s a 2 page thread on his interview on your forum. It’s the Alty boss speaking to the Alty fans. The intended audience don’t give a monkeys about how well or otherwise the opposition played yesterday & are far more concerned with our own failings.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: AussieShaymen on December 27, 2023, 02:30:49 PM
Well bully for you. Hope you're not too bitter when we beat you (again) at yours in a few days.
PS. This isn't a bite which you're clearly trying to provoke but more of a heads up. 😉

If you think I was trying to get a bite, that's on you. I've liked Parkinson as a manager, and I like the ambition your club has shown over the last couple of seasons. Just thought that interview was interesting to say the least.

I found it really odd there’s a 2 page thread on his interview on your forum. It’s the Alty boss speaking to the Alty fans. The intended audience don’t give a monkeys about how well or otherwise the opposition played yesterday & are far more concerned with our own failings.

Why is it odd, it's part and parcel that you watch interviews, etc after a game that involves your team. Was just suprised by the tact of his interview, wasn't expecting it to be honest.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on December 27, 2023, 02:32:21 PM
Why would the Halifax players need to see Parky's interview to get them up for next week's game? What a strange take.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on December 27, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
I don't see it as a strange take. He clearly thinks all other things being equal we're better than the Shaymen.
Whether that is true remains to be seen. So far, we've won on penalties and lost 1.

It was fine margins, touches that went astray, interceptions that would have been made on another day, some of it was tiredness, and even the pitch looked like it had way too much water on it. 

Clearly we were miles away from the performance we saw against Solihull but there's a week to recover and put things right. 
Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on December 27, 2023, 03:47:54 PM
To be fair to the Alty lads. They had to trawl down to Bromley for a night game whilst Halifax hosted Rochdale at home. No wonder our lot were bolloxed yesterday, plus we lost Ossie with a silly suspension.Time will tell but I do fancy our team to finish higher than the Shaymen come April.
Title: Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on December 28, 2023, 08:09:35 PM
To be fair to the Alty lads. They had to trawl down to Bromley for a night game whilst Halifax hosted Rochdale at home. No wonder our lot were bolloxed yesterday, plus we lost Ossie with a silly suspension.Time will tell but I do fancy our team to finish higher than the Shaymen come April.

I think a lot more science is going into recovery time in this day and age. A few weeks ago in the Prem, Man U had to go to Newcastle on the Saturday, three days after the ding dong battle at Galatasaray, whereas Newcastle had come back from Paris the night before. Newcastle ran rings around them.

Not saying the outcome would have been different, however the team selection only helped to exacerbate matters - and even in a 4231 we might have found George Wilson to still struggle against their stronger, more experienced lads who were quicker to every single loose ball.

As much as we were poor, Halifax looked good value for a playoff place on that showing - hopefully they'll get complacent at their place in a few days.