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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: AltyRobin on July 15, 2023, 06:11:04 PM
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Please please please can we have a new one. Byrne and Gould are not good enough for the league below let alone a playoff push like we keep being promised by PP.
Admit you got it wrong with Byrne and get someone new in NOW!!
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He's a brilliant coach and man manager, but he's bloody stubborn.
Sometimes it just doesn't work out, he isn't the first and won't be the last.
Time to get ruthless.
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The commentator saying that he had tears in his eyes going off and must be distraught. He needs some protection. Putting him out in his current mind set is not going to help him. He knows that he is under the spotlight and must be fearing every touch, kick or catch.
PP… he’s a good kid and I believe there’s a keeper in there somewhere, but he now needs you to protect him, please do this for his own sake, his mental health and his future. Your the only one that cannot see he needs help in a different way and not simply keep throwing him in the lions den.
P.S… Gould wasn’t and isn’t our answer! There are 2 keepers in the Lancaster and FCUM squads that would jump at a move. Both did very well against us.
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This is the weakness of Parky, he is stubborn at times, but it is now cruel on the lad.
We need a capable no.1 for him to learn from.
The reserve keeper should not be coaching the 1st choice keeper. Doesn't make sense.
A keeper can either win, or lose you many points over the season. Need to act now, before we kick the season off. It will only get harder for him.
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A decent Keeper, Centre Mid and Striker are vital for the Spine of a team, most teams will be successful if all 3 are in place so far we have 2 of the 3.
Parky must accept the fact that a GK is required, he will make more fans happy doing this than doing nothing.
Time will tell..
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It's a horrible situation this. Ollie's dad has got a point and he has made me feel differently about fans condemning a young kid obviously doing his best.
Unfortunately, it's not working for either Alty or Ollie. For him to be taken out of the limelight and get a loan move to Conference North/NPL would massively benefit both parties, particularly Ollie
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It's a horrible situation this. Ollie's dad has got a point and he has made me feel differently about fans condemning a young kid obviously doing his best.
Unfortunately, it's not working for either Alty or Ollie. For him to be taken out of the limelight and get a loan move to Conference North/NPL would massively benefit both parties, particularly Ollie
Yes he does have a point but should realise it’s nothing personal but it is professional football, a harsh world.
However, does he necessarily need a loan somewhere? I think he suffers a bit from being the only viable option in goals. It means no matter what form he’s in he’s in the firing line, that can’t be good? I think he’d benefit from competition and a little less pressure in some ways.
I think it would also stop people getting on his back so much. People are a bit jumpy because there’s no obvious alternative.
I would say I think there’s a keeper in there though, certainly more there was than with Andrew Dawber who we mentioned on another thread.
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It's a horrible situation this. Ollie's dad has got a point and he has made me feel differently about fans condemning a young kid obviously doing his best.
Unfortunately, it's not working for either Alty or Ollie. For him to be taken out of the limelight and get a loan move to Conference North/NPL would massively benefit both parties, particularly Ollie
Yes he does have a point but should realise it’s nothing personal but it is professional football, a harsh world.
However, does he necessarily need a loan somewhere? I think he suffers a bit from being the only viable option in goals. It means no matter what form he’s in he’s in the firing line, that can’t be good? I think he’d benefit from competition and a little less pressure in some ways.
I think it would also stop people getting on his back so much. People are a bit jumpy because there’s no obvious alternative.
I would say I think there’s a keeper in there though, certainly more there was than with Andrew Dawber who we mentioned on another thread.
Agree with this. We need to sign a number 1.
1) For Ollie to learn from
2) Give Ollie the fire in his belly to get the shirt back.
It's the way we should go.
Should never have kept Gould on.
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He could be the future at GK for a long time. It's not yet.
I want an Alty lad between the sticks more than almost anything. Performing to the standard required is a must.
We brought in Drench to bring out the best in Thompson, we need to do the conference equivalent of that now.
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He could be the future at GK for a long time. It's not yet.
I want an Alty lad between the sticks more than almost anything. Performing to the standard required is a must.
We brought in Drench to bring out the best in Thompson, we need to do the conference equivalent of that now.
Correct and Drench is a decent goalkeeping coach aswell. That worked.
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"The commentator saying that he had tears in his eyes going off "
well the commentator must have some eyesight to see that....sounds like absolute sloblock :o
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If he had tears in his eyes coming off, then I agree he needs removing for his own sake.
Chester still need a goalkeeper from the looks of things - it would ptobably do him the world of good to be winning matches at the top end of NLN where he'll still be tested on crosses / set pieces.
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That's a thought. But I doubt they'd go for it after having had Tyrer there.
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That's a thought. But I doubt they'd go for it after having had Tyrer there.
Surely they'll struggle get anyone even close to that standard, you would have thought; I heard they only got Tyrer because a loan move to Tranmere had been pulled at the last minute.
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Looking down the list of free agents - and applying some geographical sense in most cases - the following half dozen jump out at me currently:
Ben Garratt (29), Burton - previously suggested on here, vastly experienced with Crewe before joining Burton. Might be slightly out of reach budget-wise.
Jonny Maxted (29), Northampton - another one suggested, was backup keeper at Northampton last season. Was trialling with Newport recently, might come available.
Jonathan Mitchell (28), Doncaster - another one suggested, first choice at Donny last season but form was inconsistent and they chose to release. Might be too expensive.
Ryan Schofield (23), Huddersfield - former youth team mate of Isaac Marriott, and first team experience too. Been unfortunate with injuries and last seen on loan at Crawley.
Scott Moloney (22), Barrow - restricted mainly to EFL Trophy appearances, made one start due to injury. Spent time on loan at Guiseley but didn't seem to pull up trees there.
Mackenzie Chapman (20), Bolton - part of Bolton's 'B' team where Halifax found Adam Senior. Former United scholar, impressed on loan at Atherton keeping them in the NPL.
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Looking down the list of free agents - and applying some geographical sense in most cases - the following half dozen jump out at me currently:
Ben Garratt (29), Burton - previously suggested on here, vastly experienced with Crewe before joining Burton. Might be slightly out of reach budget-wise.
Jonny Maxted (29), Northampton - another one suggested, was backup keeper at Northampton last season. Was trialling with Newport recently, might come available.
Jonathan Mitchell (28), Doncaster - another one suggested, first choice at Donny last season but form was inconsistent and they chose to release. Might be too expensive.
Ryan Schofield (23), Huddersfield - former youth team mate of Isaac Marriott, and first team experience too. Been unfortunate with injuries and last seen on loan at Crawley.
Scott Moloney (22), Barrow - restricted mainly to EFL Trophy appearances, made one start due to injury. Spent time on loan at Guiseley but didn't seem to pull up trees there.
Mackenzie Chapman (20), Bolton - part of Bolton's 'B' team where Halifax found Adam Senior. Former United scholar, impressed on loan at Atherton keeping them in the NPL.
I mentioned the three older lads because I believe we need an experienced head to come in and spend 18 months making Ollie a better keeper. While also rebuilding their career for another run at the football league. If we can do it for outfield players, what's to say we can't for a GK, too?
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Looking down the list of free agents - and applying some geographical sense in most cases - the following half dozen jump out at me currently:
Ben Garratt (29), Burton - previously suggested on here, vastly experienced with Crewe before joining Burton. Might be slightly out of reach budget-wise.
Jonny Maxted (29), Northampton - another one suggested, was backup keeper at Northampton last season. Was trialling with Newport recently, might come available.
Jonathan Mitchell (28), Doncaster - another one suggested, first choice at Donny last season but form was inconsistent and they chose to release. Might be too expensive.
Ryan Schofield (23), Huddersfield - former youth team mate of Isaac Marriott, and first team experience too. Been unfortunate with injuries and last seen on loan at Crawley.
Scott Moloney (22), Barrow - restricted mainly to EFL Trophy appearances, made one start due to injury. Spent time on loan at Guiseley but didn't seem to pull up trees there.
Mackenzie Chapman (20), Bolton - part of Bolton's 'B' team where Halifax found Adam Senior. Former United scholar, impressed on loan at Atherton keeping them in the NPL.
I mentioned the three older lads because I believe we need an experienced head to come in and spend 18 months making Ollie a better keeper. While also rebuilding their career for another run at the football league. If we can do it for outfield players, what's to say we can't for a GK, too?
I agree it's definitely a sensible way to go, although I suppose a lot will depend on budget - assuming they'll come at a premium compared to their younger counterparts.
Out of the younger lads, perhaps someone like Schofield strikes the right balance between age and first team experience.
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Since England's No 1 we've only had TT as a stand out keeper for any length of time . Tony had his critics but eventually turned opinion around eventually . We could certainly do with his like now . We have had a few decent mind , like Darcy , but on reflection only Stuart and Tony that i can recall have been outstanding and that's over almost a quarter of a century !
Considering some of the greats who wore the shirt previous to that it's baffling why so few are worthy of mention. Yes Tony and Stewart were both young at the outset here but the NL is a whole new ball game these days . The previousygreats i refer to all arrived at ML with a wealth of experience , mostly at a higher level and also in the 25 plus age bracket I feel we need to be looking for someone of this nature who has what it takes to handle situations , pressure , as well as expectations . Oh for an Alex Stepney !
p.s. congrats to Saughall for 6,000 up on posts 👏
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The reason you can't recall many more good keepers over the last quarter of a century could have something to do with the fact that half that time the shirt was worn by either TT or England's Number One! 😉
PS. Thanks for the compliment mate - you're only about 5600 behind me 😂
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Yeah you're right but my main point was what we need NOW .Just my opinion .
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Yeah you're right but my main point was what we need NOW .Just my opinion .
In case my flippancy disguised it, let me say I agree with you 100%.👍
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I don't know what the protocol is in terms of signing players from pre-season opposition but if at all possible we need to stop mucking around and take a look at the Lancaster City keeper. He looked the real deal - big bloke who commanded his area and a decent shot-stopper.
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Yeah you're right but my main point was what we need NOW .Just my opinion .
In case my flippancy disguised it, let me say I agree with you 100%.👍
You and your flippin flippancy 😄
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Yeah you're right but my main point was what we need NOW .Just my opinion .
In case my flippancy disguised it, let me say I agree with you 100%.👍
You and your flippin flippancy 😄
That's easy for say to you! 😉
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Ollie's dad has got a point and he has made me feel differently about fans condemning a young kid obviously doing his best.
What did Ollie's dad say?
Was it recently?
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Hi Clapham . It's on the Altricham FC supporters page on Facebook mate.
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I don't think Ollie is a bad keeper; but any other player would get respite. Dinanga, Osborne, Hulme, Linney if mistakes are made.
Time for Phil to perform a duty of care; bring in a 2nd GK and give Ollie the support he needs. Coming from Welsh Champions behind a top-quality defence, he's being challenged for the first time in his adult career.
100% behind this sensible post. My mind is cast back to Joe Corrigan in the early 1970s at City. The boo boys were rewarded with the signing of Keith MacRae from Motherwell in 1973/74 who immediately took Joe's place in the first team. MacRae cost City £100,000 which was a tidy sum at the time.
Suffice to say that Joe had been retained and developed behind the scenes and it was he, not MacRae, following his return to the first team, who went on to become a City legend.
A bit off topic but Joe Corrigan was my absolute hero as a lad. I used to watch city a fair bit all those decades ago and he was an excellent keeper. Thanks for that bit of info. He was coaching until a dozen or so years ago.
This save by Joe Corrigan was considered to be one of the best saves ever and on a par with Gordon Banks' save against Pele in the 1970 world cup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJnIsAG0Ht8
Now watch Ollie's penalty save against Wrexham in last seasons trophy and tell me that he doesn't have any talent.
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This save by Joe Corrigan was considered to be one of the best saves ever and on a par with Gordon Banks' save against Pele in the 1970 world cup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJnIsAG0Ht8
Now watch Ollie's penalty save against Wrexham in last seasons trophy and tell me that he doesn't have any talent.
Byrne’s penalty save v Wrexham was a brilliant save but had he had to dive to his left he wouldn’t have saved it.
You can’t have a goalkeeper that is significantly weaker when diving to one side (in this case his left) or that doesn’t claim a cross that’s on his 6 yard line. PP should ask England’s Number 1 for some advice on picking a GK he’s on the terraces often enough
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You win leagues on consistency; not brilliance.
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Jamie Jones ex wigan 34 worth signing just to get another Jones in the team
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You win leagues on consistency; not brilliance.
Spot on - I'm pretty sure every keeper across the non-league system is capable of the odd moment of brilliance, and Ollie is no different.
What keeps them from progressing up the pyramid is being able to turn out 7.5/8 out of 10 performances every week, and making the rest of your back line confident.
It's probably no coincidence that Jake Cooper, Kyle Ferguson and Harry Perritt all looked more assured with Thommo in net.
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You win leagues on consistency; not brilliance.
Absolutely 100% correct.
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Jamie Jones ex wigan 34 worth signing just to get another Jones in the team
End the search. In fact E. Jones might be done for as we strive for teamsheet perfection
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Jamie Jones ex wigan 34 worth signing just to get another Jones in the team
Middlesbrough have just stopped that option happening https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/18/goalkeeper-jamie-jones-joins-the-boro/
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One of the goalkeepers I suggested, Mackenzie Chapman, has just signed for Blackpool following a successful trial. Could remain a loan option if the season doesn't get off on the right foot.
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
He'd be a fantastic signing!
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
Probably making his way to chesterfield he's there on trial this week
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Solihull Moors seem to be losing a lot of players this close season.
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
Probably making his way to chesterfield he's there on trial this week
Thought Tyrer (the Everton lad who played on loan at Chester last year) had gone there?
Having both of them is just plain greedy! 😂😂
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
Probably making his way to chesterfield he's there on trial this week
Thought Tyrer (the Everton lad who played on loan at Chester last year) had gone there?
Having both of them is just plain greedy! 😂😂
I can't imagine he'd want to go there to be number 2 - and I'm sure Everton don't plan for Tyrer to be second choice either.
Hopefully we can pull it off...!
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Ryan Boot just left Solihull Moors
Probably making his way to chesterfield he's there on trial this week
Thought Tyrer (the Everton lad who played on loan at Chester last year) had gone there?
Having both of them is just plain greedy! 😂😂
I can't imagine he'd want to go there to be number 2 - and I'm sure Everton don't plan for Tyrer to be second choice either.
Hopefully we can pull it off...!
🤞🤞!
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Well, we've certainly got a few lads who will try and persuade him.
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I can see the headline on the Club site :
PARKY PUTS THE BOOT INTO BYRNE 🤣