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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: dino on August 25, 2007, 05:46:11 PM

Title: spineless performance
Post by: dino on August 25, 2007, 05:46:11 PM
we were totally inept today,playing ultra defensively against a very average side. we did not win one header in final two thirds and why things were not changed before final 15 mins is unbelievable. the management should look at themselves,as this bunch of players are underperforming.today was not about money or fitness,but creativity ,shape and belief.some of the comments thrown from our bench at our players are pathetic
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altyf on August 25, 2007, 06:20:14 PM
In my opinion we honestly have better players than last season, but the desire just seems to have gone, theres no grit or determination that made people fear us at the lane!!
We need to start with a different attitude, an attitude like we're lucky to have been given a reprieve and now that we've been given another chance in this league theres nothing to lose so lets just have a fu**ing go at teams when we're 1-0 down and nothing to lose. COME ON ALTY...GET YOUR HEADS UP AND LETS GET THAT FIRST WIN AT STAFFORD AND PUSH ON FROM THERE!!!!!!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Dave on August 25, 2007, 07:56:27 PM
Agree the PPB is missing.

Having said that the majority of teams are above mid table we played. Stafford is a very important game.

Come on Alty
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Baggers on August 25, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
I can understand Dino's frustration. The lack of creativity is worrying. Lawton's passing was woeful and Whalley was content to lay the ball off to someone else rather than take responsibility. Val battled away as usual, winning tackles but needs someone to pick up the ball from him before he gives it away again. On the plus side, Lane was excellent and Acton too. Can't see where the goals are going to come from though. Senior and Thornley perhaps?
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Altysmiffy on August 25, 2007, 09:27:06 PM
I can understand Dino's frustration. The lack of creativity is worrying. Lawton's passing was woeful and Whalley was content to lay the ball off to someone else rather than take responsibility. Val battled away as usual, winning tackles but needs someone to pick up the ball from him before he gives it away again. On the plus side, Lane was excellent and Acton too. Can't see where the goals are going to come from though. Senior and Thornley perhaps?

Senior was our best threat by all accounts at FGR, and Rod is a proven goalscorer, even if he cannot last the full match
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on August 25, 2007, 09:38:52 PM

Rod is a proven goalscorer

I'm sorry....but that's nonsense.

Thornley scored goals in the Unibond and Conference North leagues....but is certainly not a proven goalscorer at this level.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Altysmiffy on August 25, 2007, 09:42:54 PM

Rod is a proven goalscorer

I'm sorry....but that's nonsense.

Thornley scored goals in the Unibond and Conference North leagues....but is certainly not a proven goalscorer at this level.

He only had 12 starts last season, but did score 4 goals. A better average than Joe for instance. He's not had much of a chance
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altyf on August 25, 2007, 09:47:22 PM
Whether hes proven at this level or not, hes proved to me in the few games he played last season that he is capable and deserves a start.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on August 25, 2007, 09:48:10 PM
Thornley has done some great things for Alty but, alas, he just isn't half the player he was and is not the answer at this level.

I certainly don't enjoy writing that...but we simply cannot afford to allow sentiment to affect judgments if we are to have any realistic chance of avoiding relegation this season.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Altysmiffy on August 25, 2007, 09:51:30 PM
Its not sentiment, he's as good as we've got with Little out
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: jhcorbett on August 25, 2007, 10:27:16 PM
I also disagree with this assumption that playing Rod would be due to "sentiment" - in my opinion he's consistently been our most threatening goalscorer at all levels he's played in, behind Colin
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Dave on August 25, 2007, 11:40:13 PM
Rod has the talent and the skill, it will be match fitness that ultimately effects things!

I would certainly give him an hour with senior and Joe.

I also think Acton should keep his place!!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Daycare Dan on August 25, 2007, 11:58:03 PM

I also think Acton should keep his place!!



Come on Dave what has Coburn done wrong to warrant being dropped?  ;)

The problem as I see it is we are not creating chances; I think their keeper had one simple save to make other than the offside goal. If we can't make chances we can't win games.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: robininstockport on August 26, 2007, 09:28:12 AM
You could agrue that Acton did nothing wrong and he should not be dropped, but he will be.

I thought Scott did well and the team looked better with Peyton upfiield.But Scott will be out for at least 2wks so we're back to square one at left back.

If we don't beat Stafford alarm bells will proper sound.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Daycare Dan on August 26, 2007, 09:41:02 AM
True Acton did nothing wrong, but Coburn is the better keeper, so when available starts for me.

We did look a bit more threatening with Peyton further up the field but are still missing the final ball.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: RocketDan on August 26, 2007, 10:18:24 AM
Thornley has done some great things for Alty but, alas, he just isn't half the player he was and is not the answer at this level.

I certainly don't enjoy writing that...but we simply cannot afford to allow sentiment to affect judgments if we are to have any realistic chance of avoiding relegation this season.

Rod Thornley needs a run of games in the team, both to achieve fitness and to get use to playing with the new signings.
I'd Give him a chance from the start, he has no hope of scoring if all he gets is  20 minutes  at the end of games, when his team mates are all nackered and can't support him.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Dave on August 26, 2007, 10:35:02 AM
Dan, I just think that Acton deserves to stay in, if Stu has other commitments he needs to expect to be dropped!

I agree we created few chances. lets hope tomorrow is different!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Daycare Dan on August 26, 2007, 10:44:42 AM
Dan, I just think that Acton deserves to stay in, if Stu has other commitments he needs to expect to be dropped!

I agree we created few chances. lets hope tomorrow is different!

Dave I'd forgot your a big Acton fan  ;D ;D

I think tomorrow wont be any different, we still wont create many (any!) chances, but then again will Stafford? Will I want to top myself after 20 mins?
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Dave on August 26, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
I hope not! My family will be horrified when we make the trip tomorrow!!

A very tight game could be instore?

Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Daycare Dan on August 26, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
A very tight game could be instore?

Just a bad one I think!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altyf on August 26, 2007, 10:59:41 AM
The thing that frustrated me yesterday, is that Grays were less than half as good as I expected and in my opinion, we would have won that game yesterday if it was last season, we need to get back to that passsionate and battling part time team we were, I feel we're trying to be something we're not at the moment. On the issue of Coburn vs Acton, Coburn will always be englands number 1  and would want to see him play whenever hes available not only because hes an immense keeper but for what hes done for the club!!!! However Acton has always been a brilliant keeper in my eyes and he proved that when he got a run in the side last season and was unfortunate to be dropped when Coburn returned...I believe Acton to be a top class substitute keeper and hope to keep onto him for many years to come!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: GolfRoader on August 26, 2007, 11:04:44 AM
yeatersay was very poor we seem unable to string 3 passes together,every time we had an attack building up lawton decides to belt it into the box rather than spread it therefore losing the ball,Little was useless,and stupid for getting himself sent off.The problem is we are toothless up front,we have nothing.Also has gh got something against Senior.i was very surprised when he brought potts on who didnt do anything once on the pitch ,Senior is one of the only players we have with pace and skill he creates things which is what we needed yesterday,we need to sort this out.Stafford is going to be a must win or at least must draw game or we may be in some real trouble.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: CB on August 26, 2007, 11:13:48 AM
Rod Thornley needs a run of games in the team, both to achieve fitness and to get use to playing with the new signings.
I'd Give him a chance from the start, he has no hope of scoring if all he gets is  20 minutes  at the end of games, when his team mates are all nackered and can't support him.

20 minutes? That's a tad generous. You should know GH only brings on his subs with 10 mins to go  ???  ;)
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altrincham on August 26, 2007, 12:55:44 PM
I cant understand why our most creative players weren’t playing yesterday? I would bet my house that if Rod, Senior and Potts had started the game we would have won.  :(
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Jenga on August 26, 2007, 01:46:19 PM
I cant understand why our most creative players weren’t playing yesterday? I would bet my house that if Rod, Senior and Potts had started the game we would have won.  :(

That is one brave man to bet his house on Alty - give him a goodwin,
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Aylmer on August 26, 2007, 03:10:05 PM
Everytime there is a set play I am worried. The goal from Grays was so basic a defensive error by not picking up the man at the back post! You are taught that when you are a kid. I thought Little's sending off was harsh, a booking for both players would have sufficed but it seemed that if we go a goal down, the team just gives up! No chasing down, no pressure on their back four, saw it at Forrest, saw it yesterday. GH to motivate them or the players themselves? Thats the problem.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altyf on August 26, 2007, 03:29:10 PM
Little deserved a sending off, you cant kick out at someone, not only that but it was a tackle from behind and there was intent...however, their defender clearly blocked little off and a free kick should have already been awarded before little had a chance to kick out, not only this but the push was a bookable offence
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Toes appreciation society on August 26, 2007, 03:30:28 PM
i hear the physio had nice toes though!!
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: alty.fc on August 26, 2007, 04:29:45 PM
i hear the physio had nice toes though!!
PMSL that has cheered me up a bloody treat; thanks TAS (toes apprieciant society) whoever you are .... keep the faith
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: RocketDan on August 26, 2007, 07:10:00 PM
i hear the physio had nice toes though!!

I heard he ate a baby.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Altyant on August 26, 2007, 08:29:12 PM
yeatersay was very poor we seem unable to string 3 passes together,every time we had an attack building up lawton decides to belt it into the box rather than spread it therefore losing the ball,Little was useless,and stupid for getting himself sent off.The problem is we are toothless up front,we have nothing.Also has gh got something against Senior.i was very surprised when he brought potts on who didnt do anything once on the pitch ,Senior is one of the only players we have with pace and skill he creates things which is what we needed yesterday,we need to sort this out.Stafford is going to be a must win or at least must draw game or we may be in some real trouble.

We seem to be playing like a side that dont believe that they should be in this league & this needs to be addressed very quickly.
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: Alty Dave on August 26, 2007, 08:46:53 PM
AltAnt agree with your post. GH is aware of this, there is no confidence.

He needs to raise there game and tomorrow is a good opportunity!!

Will we improve??
Title: Re: spineless performance
Post by: altyf on August 26, 2007, 09:24:14 PM
Like I said before on the subject of  confidence, we have been rewarded with good financial management of the club and should now have the passion to realise we are lucky to be here and should have the mentality that we may aswell make the most of this chance weve been given!!!!