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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mick on August 20, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
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Still no pitchside standing......Welsh FA must be handling it >:(
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Why did we get these barriers anyway, rather than the rather more solid seeming structure we used to have? Money, I suppose?
Am I right in thinking that it's just a question of getting the fencing tested rather than necessarily making any changes to it? And when will we be back in the corner at the back of the pop side?
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Please don't walk in front of the press box. I won't tell you again.
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I don’t know what all the fuss is about the barriers I was leaning quite hard against them prior to kick off and they seem well capable of supporting people
Oh hang on Bloody H&S
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So did the barriers at Burnden Park until 80,000 crammed in. And I well remember the incident at the Huddersfield cup match. For all I know, it might be a different story with dozens of people rushing against those flimsy looking fences.
Of more interest to me from a safety point of view is the continued insistence at this level of obscuring the windows in the CSH during play, especially with the issues over getting everyone served during half time. I hope the authorities will relent eventually, at least for some games at this level, and I would personally rate the increased risks from opening the windows at effectively zero. It might even be less of a risk, with less of a rush to try and get drinks during half time if people are not missing the match in the CSH (or alternatively allowed onto the terraces with hem). It seems something of an anomaly that big matches can be screened at crowded pubs with supporters of both teams mixing, but in the home only CSH, it is apparently too dangerous. Seriously, who is going to behave more dangerously if the windows are open there?
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I don’t understand why both fans can’t enjoy a drink in the CSH most other clubs welcome opposition fans in there club bar. We must be dipping out on thousand of pounds of income by not allowing them in
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One reason might be that we find it difficult to get served as it is!
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It’s a safety and stewarding thing I’d have thought given our social club is located inside of the ground-it wouldn’t be too hard to envisage a situation in a segregated game where away supporters got into the Golf Road via the CSH. What should be a priority is finding a way to sell booze to away fans on the Chequers End (once we’ve finally sorted the FZ out at our end).
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Couldn't we sell booze from a kiosk in the away end? (card only) Even at the food outlet?
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So did the barriers at Burnden Park until 80,000 crammed in. And I well remember the incident at the Huddersfield cup match. For all I know, it might be a different story with dozens of people rushing against those flimsy looking fences.
Of more interest to me from a safety point of view is the continued insistence at this level of obscuring the windows in the CSH during play, especially with the issues over getting everyone served during half time. I hope the authorities will relent eventually, at least for some games at this level, and I would personally rate the increased risks from opening the windows at effectively zero. It might even be less of a risk, with less of a rush to try and get drinks during half time if people are not missing the match in the CSH (or alternatively allowed onto the terraces with hem). It seems something of an anomaly that big matches can be screened at crowded pubs with supporters of both teams mixing, but in the home only CSH, it is apparently too dangerous. Seriously, who is going to behave more dangerously if the windows are open there?
The shutters are down during play because that’s either the law, or league regulations, or both at this level and above. No alcohol can be consumed in view of the pitch while the game is in progress. It has been this way for many years. While the Fanzone was open last season, the stewards had a constant battle to stop people straying in to view of the pitch.
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It’s a safety and stewarding thing I’d have thought given our social club is located inside of the ground-it wouldn’t be too hard to envisage a situation in a segregated game where away supporters got into the Golf Road via the CSH. What should be a priority is finding a way to sell booze to away fans on the Chequers End (once we’ve finally sorted the FZ out at our end).
Surely they could make the access from the Moss lane side of the CSH and just steward away fans from the golf road/toilet part of the ground.
I don’t use the CSH that much due to the fact I am no longer local to Alty. I do get the impression that the CSH is there more for other clubs and crèches that use it rather than a match day facility for fans. Acoustically it is a barn of a place which doesn’t encourage general chit chat as the noise is deafening maybe carpeting is the way to sort this problem. Plus another toilet facility at the main stand end of the hall would be appropriate
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It’s a safety and stewarding thing I’d have thought given our social club is located inside of the ground-it wouldn’t be too hard to envisage a situation in a segregated game where away supporters got into the Golf Road via the CSH. What should be a priority is finding a way to sell booze to away fans on the Chequers End (once we’ve finally sorted the FZ out at our end).
Surely they could make the access from the Moss lane side of the CSH and just steward away fans from the golf road/toilet part of the ground.
I don’t use the CSH that much due to the fact I am no longer local to Alty. I do get the impression that the CSH is there more for other clubs and crèches that use it rather than a match day facility for fans. Acoustically it is a barn of a place which doesn’t encourage general chit chat as the noise is deafening maybe carpeting is the way to sort this problem. Plus another toilet facility at the main stand end of the hall would be appropriate
From a logistical point of view which entrance would be used that avoids away fans straying into home areas? I don't see how it's workable tbh.
In defence of the CSH, it was never built as a pure bar facility and so it is going to have its critics for the type of atmosphere in there. Putting a carpet in will then render it useless for a lot of the community stuff that it was built for. I doubt we would have got a lot of the funding for it in the first place of it didn't have its non bar on matchday roles.
I noted the constant tannoy requests about not crossing the main stand in front of the press box. Well, I went across the gangway behind the directors box and got daggers from one or two sat by there. Where else to go from one end of the stand to the toilets and catering? It's impossible and the club needs to understand this a bit more.
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If that bit you walked across is the designated way across then it probably needs marking out as such. It’s not actually that visible if you’re not a regular.
I didn’t get daggers as such but I was walking across the view of 20 people with my 2 boys rather than brushing past 3 media people so I can see why upset.
There’s no other facilities on the other side of the stand is there.
That said, it’s a relative non issue in the scheme of things.
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I have previously touched on the lack of facilities serving the main stand . It's ridiculous that we have to make our way to the corner of the ground for (especially) toilets and refreshments. I do understand that food and drink can be brought in to the ground by ourselves but toilets should be a given.
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I have previously touched on the lack of facilities serving the main stand . It's ridiculous that we have to make our way to the corner of the ground for (especially) toilets and refreshments. I do understand that food and drink can be brought in to the ground by ourselves but toilets should be a given.
I need to add that my feelings are mostly motivated with thoughts of the many fans who have certain mobility issues (not myself fortunately) , but i have seen many who do .
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I have previously touched on the lack of facilities serving the main stand . It's ridiculous that we have to make our way to the corner of the ground for (especially) toilets and refreshments. I do understand that food and drink can be brought in to the ground by ourselves but toilets should be a given.
I appreciate the away end isn't high on the priorities list but the toilet facilities there are embarrassing.
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Infrastructure is going to be a massive money pit going forward in our quest for future progression.
I’m of the belief if the ground and facilities look good then more people will want to come through the turnstiles.
PS Yesterdays season ticket holders were yet again not scanned upon entry but just a tick on a piece of paper.
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Mine was scanned mate.
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I have previously touched on the lack of facilities serving the main stand . It's ridiculous that we have to make our way to the corner of the ground for (especially) toilets and refreshments. I do understand that food and drink can be brought in to the ground by ourselves but toilets should be a given.
I need to add that my feelings are mostly motivated with thoughts of the many fans who have certain mobility issues (not myself fortunately) , but i have seen many who do .
I seem to remember once at a reserve match or some such, spectators were able to get a brew in the sponsors' lounge behind the family stand. If say blue badge holders were able to sit in the "family stand", and access the toilets and get a cup of tea in the facilities behind that stand (if they can't already) surely that would help, though I don't know what the situation is exactly on match days and whether it would be practical.
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Infrastructure is going to be a massive money pit going forward in our quest for future progression.
I’m of the belief if the ground and facilities look good then more people will want to come through the turnstiles.
PS Yesterdays season ticket holders were yet again not scanned upon entry but just a tick on a piece of paper.
And my ticket hasn't arrived yet. Not being done by the Welsh FA are they? :)
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The club needs toilet facilities on the family stand/main stand side. Stewards often prevent fans in these parts from using toilets in the away end for obvious reasons, and we cannot use those in the business/sponsors lounge. This means you have to cross through the main stand over to the other side of the CSH. The only place to cross the main stand is the row behind the directors seats as the aisle is wide enough. After my hip operation I could not climb the main stand steps easily and I struggled to get through. It was a worry for me during games but the club could not resolve it and I often had to beg the stewards to let me use the away end. I am ok now because I am more mobile and like to stand in front of the CSH, but can appreciate some of the difficulties for those in the family stand. We need toilets accessible everywhere as it could hamper our chances of EFL football in the long run. Worries me because at some stage I will have the other hip replaced, hope it's done during the close season!
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The club needs toilet facilities on the family stand/main stand side. Stewards often prevent fans in these parts from using toilets in the away end for obvious reasons, and we cannot use those in the business/sponsors lounge. This means you have to cross through the main stand over to the other side of the CSH. The only place to cross the main stand is the row behind the directors seats as the aisle is wide enough. After my hip operation I could not climb the main stand steps easily and I struggled to get through. It was a worry for me during games but the club could not resolve it and I often had to beg the stewards to let me use the away end. I am ok now because I am more mobile and like to stand in front of the CSH, but can appreciate some of the difficulties for those in the family stand. We need toilets accessible everywhere as it could hamper our chances of EFL football in the long run. Worries me because at some stage I will have the other hip replaced, hope it's done during the close season!
agreed and we need some in the fan zone as well
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I think the lack of toilets on the pop side needs addressing first.
I suspect the problem with toilets in the vicinity of the main stand is that the space is pretty much used to its maximum already. Where would they go? In the 2000's and early 2010's you'd have been able to nip underneath the main stand and into the then-Noel White Suite to use the toilet there, or the ones adjacent to the club shop, as gross as they were! We've lost both options now and as others have pointed out, they've been replaced with the toilets on the far side of the Community Sports Hall, which I appreciate would be a big ask for those with mobility issues.
The only long-term fix I can see is a total reworking of that entire side of the ground into a single, pitch-length main stand with all facilities (corporate, media, amenities, restrooms, club shop and office space) considered and included. Highly expensive and at odds with the Sports Hall development but entirely necessary in the next 15-20-30 years I think.
Edit, to add: I think what FC United have at Broadhurst Park is what we should be aiming for.
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I think the lack of toilets on the pop side needs addressing first.
I suspect the problem with toilets in the vicinity of the main stand is that the space is pretty much used to its maximum already. Where would they go? In the 2000's and early 2010's you'd have been able to nip underneath the main stand and into the then-Noel White Suite to use the toilet there, or the ones adjacent to the club shop, as gross as they were! We've lost both options now and as others have pointed out, they've been replaced with the toilets on the far side of the Community Sports Hall, which I appreciate would be a big ask for those with mobility issues.
The only long-term fix I can see is a total reworking of that entire side of the ground into a single, pitch-length main stand with all facilities (corporate, media, amenities, restrooms, club shop and office space) considered and included. Highly expensive and at odds with the Sports Hall development but entirely necessary in the next 15-20-30 years I think.
Edit, to add: I think what FC United have at Broadhurst Park is what we should be aiming for.
I agree with most of this except i think with a full length main stand . I think the CSH should be left as it is and develop the two seated stands into one , i.e. two thirds or so of the pitch ( and at a height where everyone in the stand can see all of the pitch ! ) and large enough not to lose any ground capacity . I think this would be much less cost prohibative and still retain some standing room on that side for those who wish to.
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Aren't there still two portaloos in the "fan zone" corner (though what condition they're in I don't know)?
Really, the trough toilets in that corner should have been promptly replaced, and even they would probably have been better than the current situation, which will hopefully end soon. (And bring back the old programmes shop!).
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
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Great news
Thanks Bill
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
hopefully that will improve the noise levels.
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
That very good news for the fans who prefer to lean on the fence to watch the game.
What work has actually been done to the perimeter fence that now allows fans to stand by the fence?
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I now call for the catering team to produce hot drinks cups with a concave curve in the base. In the past the barriers were square and you could sit your tea on it, now they are cylinders.
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
That very good news for the fans who prefer to lean on the fence to watch the game.
What work has actually been done to the perimeter fence that now allows fans to stand by the fence?
They've painted a Yellow Line on the floor, to stand in front off next to the fence...
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
That very good news for the fans who prefer to lean on the fence to watch the game.
What work has actually been done to the perimeter fence that now allows fans to stand by the fence?
A health and safety officer leant against it for 48 hours. The barrier was still standing but they collapsed.
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
That very good news for the fans who prefer to lean on the fence to watch the game.
What work has actually been done to the perimeter fence that now allows fans to stand by the fence?
They've painted a Yellow Line on the floor, to stand in front off next to the fence...
Thanks for the update.. quite a simple fix really considering the time it took to implement.
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Standing by the fence is now allowed, but you can't stand two deep. See Club site for full details.
That very good news for the fans who prefer to lean on the fence to watch the game.
What work has actually been done to the perimeter fence that now allows fans to stand by the fence?
A health and safety officer leant against it for 48 hours. The barrier was still standing but they collapsed.
Sounds about right, Grandad.
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Couldn't we sell booze from a kiosk in the away end? (card only) Even at the food outlet?
How would we enforce that it was drunk by the KO or second half start?
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Perhaps stop selling half an hour before kick off. None at HT...
Or issue blindfolds to drinkers so they can't see the game. 😂😂
PS. Seriously though , Rocky, good point. 🙄
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Perhaps stop selling half an hour before kick off. None at HT...
Or issue blindfolds to drinkers so they can't see the game. 😂😂
PS. Seriously though , Rocky, good point. 🙄
It’s a shame mind.
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I now call for the catering team to produce hot drinks cups with a concave curve in the base. In the past the barriers were square and you could sit your tea on it, now they are cylinders.
can we bring back stopper gate ?