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[Mausoleum Alty]

We will soon be playing at our lowest ever level

And who knows maybe we don't have the right to be at that level either

Whythenshawe park anyone ?

We were at that same level in 2003-4 when we scraped into Conference North with a streaky win over Runcorn in the last game of the season.

Of the other 22 teams in that division, 15 are still there, or have either fallen further or gone to the wall.

Things still have some way to go before we can say worst ever.....I just wish I had confidence that we can avoid that ignominy.

The Unibond was Step 6 the season we scraped into the Conf North. It only became Step 7 the season after when the Conf North started.

[Teasierbeaver]

10 or so games really isn't enough to turn round a team which is irretrievably fooked.

It's more than enough to find a formation.

Jim Harvey signed utter rubbish. We're rock bottom and just lost away to one of the better teams in the league.

Maybe it's time we all stopped believing we've got a god given right to be in this league and started getting real. Clubs like us go up and down, this time the down is longer. I've given up blaming people, I'll stick to supporting.

I think we all got a bit deluded with our penultimate season in the conf believing we had a divine right to be a top non league club. We don't, we're average sized at best this season with a fanbase dining out on former glories. Just accept it and get on with the fight.

Clubs do not get relegated or go on a downward spiral by accident, our last period in the doldrums (the long stay in the Unibond leagues) was for financial reasons, however our current downward spiral is purely due to incompetence by both Chairman and subsequent managers. We don't have a divine right to be a Conference National league club, we definitely have one to be in Conference North, given our debt free status, fan base, sources of income (yes, the CSH), wealth of town and although not always relevant our history. We are a top 8 conference north club these days, financially )and should at least be a yo-yo club until we get bigger backers and there certainly shouldn't be 21 clubs better than us in Conference North. I'm guessing you haven't been a supporter for long, but believe it or not this club existed before Grahame Rowley and the current Board arrived at the club and it will exist when they finally decide to get their coats and leave. As a supporter for over 25 years, this is our lowest point in my time.

In my view, Jim Harvey has been treated dreadfully, purely to take the heat of the Chairman - will he sack Doughty and Heathcote if they only win 1 league game in 10, I very much doubt it.

I've also supported Alty for over 25 years. I know very well our history. I know this is our worst league position in my lifetime. I also know we have the resources to be in a higher position.

I simply don't agree that this makes us a top 8 side in this league. Football at all levels has changed. We used to pride ourselves on being part time and within our means. Those same people are now screaming out for investment. That means someone putting in large sums of money with little expectation of seeing a return, despite it happening all around us our recent history doesn't suggest it's going to happen for us.

Why do you think I don't know life beyond Rowley? I know the board have made catastrophic errors and I hold them responsible but I also think right now we're all living in dream land that we should be a massive non league club bringing in a big name manager to salvage us. It won't happen, we should stop expecting miracles and give buzz a bit of time to get things right.

[roytonmike]

What a sensible post this last one is! Well spoken, L'Homme du Sport!

[robininstockport]

Harvey got sacked because the majority of players thought he was a nob and the training sessions were a joke.  To the exyent that they were better under Youngs reign.  Sacking him was fully justified.

It doesnt matter one jot who sees it out to end of season we are going down.

MD needs to prove himself as a manager and yesterday did him no favours.  Playing Goodall is last resort gear and pout McDonald up front is a farce.  Most of the players with the exception of Hannigan (who was excellant)  &  Reeves (who didnt touch the ball)  were dreadful.

[GolfRoader]

Harvey got sacked because the majority of players thought he was a nob and the training sessions were a joke.  To the exyent that they were better under Youngs reign.  Sacking him was fully justified.

It doesnt matter one jot who sees it out to end of season we are going down.

MD needs to prove himself as a manager and yesterday did him no favours.  Playing Goodall is last resort gear and pout McDonald up front is a farce.  Most of the players with the exception of Hannigan (who was excellant)  &  Reeves (who didnt touch the ball)  were dreadful.

How do you know that is the case with the training sessions?

[im not really here]

Harvey got sacked because the majority of players thought he was a nob and the training sessions were a joke.  To the exyent that they were better under Youngs reign.  Sacking him was fully justified.

It doesnt matter one jot who sees it out to end of season we are going down.

MD needs to prove himself as a manager and yesterday did him no favours.  Playing Goodall is last resort gear and pout McDonald up front is a farce.  Most of the players with the exception of Hannigan (who was excellant)  &  Reeves (who didnt touch the ball)  were dreadful.

Interesting what you say about training sessions, can anyone remember who was Jim Harveys Assistant Manager and would presumably have had a lot of involvement?

[robininstockport]

Because I've been told by several sources

[taxi Phil]

Because I've been told by several sources

Unimpeachable ?

[VofD]

Harvey got sacked because the majority of players thought he was a nob and the training sessions were a joke.  To the exyent that they were better under Youngs reign.  Sacking him was fully justified.

It doesnt matter one jot who sees it out to end of season we are going down.

MD needs to prove himself as a manager and yesterday did him no favours.  Playing Goodall is last resort gear and pout McDonald up front is a farce.  Most of the players with the exception of Hannigan (who was excellant)  &  Reeves (who didnt touch the ball)  were dreadful.

Interesting what you say about training sessions, can anyone remember who was Jim Harveys Assistant Manager and would presumably have had a lot of involvement?

The current interim manager.

[wayno]

Harvey got sacked because the majority of players thought he was a nob and the training sessions were a joke.  To the exyent that they were better under Youngs reign.  Sacking him was fully justified.

It doesnt matter one jot who sees it out to end of season we are going down.

MD needs to prove himself as a manager and yesterday did him no favours.  Playing Goodall is last resort gear and pout McDonald up front is a farce.  Most of the players with the exception of Hannigan (who was excellant)  &  Reeves (who didnt touch the ball)  were dreadful.

Interesting what you say about training sessions, can anyone remember who was Jim Harveys Assistant Manager and would presumably have had a lot of involvement?

The current interim manager.

you can't write this stuff can you

[Teasierbeaver]

Yes, how absurd

[Ginrail]

The strong point that comes is the interim manager was complicit in JH decisions. Number 2's rarely succeed when they step in, John Carver, Ryan Giggs,

We need a new man at the helm Buzz is interim and we need to appoint a new manager.

Rowley has ducked the hard decision again

[York Alty is back]

The strong point that comes is the interim manager was complicit in JH decisions. Number 2's rarely succeed when they step in, John Carver, Ryan Giggs,

We need a new man at the helm Buzz is interim and we need to appoint a new manager.

Rowley has ducked the hard decision again

My view is that he knows errors have been made - HUGE errors - and we are now recruiting for a pop at the Evostick league title next year. That being the case, what's the rush?

[Ian J]

When will fans admit the issue is with the Board, they continually show thier inability  to run a football club.

Ok, you’re really starting to annoy me now.
We have a new management team who have barely warmed the seat and you’re already harping on that it’s the Board’s fault we lost. If the Board were forcing the managers to play a set team/formation or if the Board were actually playing in the match then yes, I can understand your point.
But come on! You’ve more of a one-track mind than an adolescent teenage boy who has just discovered some of the more “adult” sections of the internet.
Get a grip!
And Ginrail, Spazzy Paddy, Tuna (or whatever your name is this week) and all the others who seem intent on blaming the Board for everything wrong with the world, from the war in Syria to the rise of Donald Trump, how about offering constructive criticism as opposed to just criticism.
Maybe start with who you would put in charge of the first team, and how you would find the budget to do that. You can then move on to who you would replace the Board with and how you would attract those people.
We can all criticise but unless you offer a viable alternative then you’re adding nothing but f-ing misery to the situation and, quite frankly, you’re beginning to pi55 me off!  

[DT]

Interesting views being made, what I would like to know is the timescales that the Strategic Study is being delivered in and when the recommendations are likely to be actioned.

Specifically it would be good to know:
- When will the review be completed?
- What period is the review covering i.e. is it an "until the end of season thing", three year or five year plan?
- How will the supporters be advised of the recommendations?
- Will the review be independent or subject to board input before release?

Can anybody answer these questions as I think a lot of people are expecting "tactical" (i.e. short-term recommendations) alongside longer term "strategic" recommendation. The balance is critical to decide whether to write off this season or start preparing for next.

I look forward to the answers!