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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on August 09, 2015, 04:09:01 PM
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So then, who's travelling over to Guiseley on Tuesday? Bit disappointed with yesterday attendance, but only too be expected with so many people away. I'll be going, not sure how yet but probably going to book coach tomorrow. Not looking promising for richman and clee for Tuesday, but fingers crossed. Not a happy hunting ground for us at nethermoor, don't think we've ever won there. Sounds like only poor finishing stopped them coming home from welling with 3 points if you listen to mark bowers interview
Wonder if we will go two upfront again, I note that Danny boshell didn't play yesterday
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I'll be there, booked on the coach earlier in the week. We can take confidence in the fact that for the most part we were very organised against Forest Green. I was actually impressed with our midfield in the first half considering we had no Richman.
As far as the team goes, I'd keep it the same as Saturday unless Clee or Richman become available: Coburn, Densmore, Havern, Marshall, Griffin / Sinnott, Moult, O'Keefe, Lawrie / Rankine, Reeves. Can't be doing with Lawrie on the left to be honest, never seen him have a top game when out wide, but I'd have him over Crowther.
Prediction, a very hard earned 1-1 draw.
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I note that Danny boshell didn't play yesterday
Danny Boshell suspended for 3 games.
Anyone travelling by car use the Netherfield road car park and walk over the Railway bridge a few parking tickets was given out by the police in some of the pre season games people parking on the streets round the ground.
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Can't decide whether to go yet as it's a 1.25 hour drive back to Shropshire from Alty when the coach gets back.
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I would consider Crowther over Lawrie on the left , needs to be given a chance otherwise 3 centre backs if Clee isnt fit.
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I would consider Crowther over Lawrie on the left , needs to be given a chance otherwise 3 centre backs if Clee isnt fit.
He had all last season
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If Sinnott keeps him rightly or wrongly surely with us creating 1 half chance in 90 minutes they can give him a go in fact non of the 4 in midfield would be unlucky if they lost there place hard to blame defence or forwards
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I note that Danny boshell didn't play yesterday
Danny Boshell suspended for 3 games.
Anyone travelling by car use the Netherfield road car park and walk over the Railway bridge a few parking tickets was given out by the police in some of the pre season games people parking on the streets round the ground.
good news for us about boshell easily are best central midfielder in the Sinnott era
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I note that Danny boshell didn't play yesterday
Danny Boshell suspended for 3 games.
Anyone travelling by car use the Netherfield road car park and walk over the Railway bridge a few parking tickets was given out by the police in some of the pre season games people parking on the streets round the ground.
good news for us about boshell easily are best central midfielder in the Sinnott era
To be honest I don't think he's anything outstanding at this level. We play midfielders of the same or better standard on a weekly basis now.
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It's all about opinions but I'd say we lost 1 game in about 25 that boshell played in and that was away at Chester with no clee and watmore that day however it was a different level but they were not better when they played alongside him
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A couple of years older or not, I'd much sooner face Guiseley without him playing. Big opportunity to get off the blocks tomorrow. With Woking and Grimsby to follow, it would be good to get a result. A first ever win at nethermoor after a couple of near misses would be most welcome. Not looking hopeful for Nicky or Simon, but fingers crossed they are passed fit
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I've booked on the bigger coach now, looking forward to it.
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Guiseley's highlights of the game at Welling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrS5i_PKc5o&sns=tw
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I am going.
Amazingly corporate hospitality so i probably wont be stood with you guys, i am likely to be in the Guiseley end or at least stood half way line.
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Can't decide whether to go yet as it's a 1.25 hour drive back to Shropshire from Alty when the coach gets back.
I'm driving from Ellesmere if you are close? PM me
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4 Flaggers😄
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I'm on the
15:09 whatever f**king train Sybil Crowther arrives here for.
Looking forward to it, although I fear we'll either have a demoralising night or we'll get a tight draw.
Don't know enough about injuries etc to give a proper team selection but if Clee is just unfit rather than injured then just get him on the pitch so he gets match fit.
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I really think that guiseley are going to be very tough. They will be wanting to prove something and will see this as a clear chance for 3 points. We must be right on form. Personally I'd play 1 up front
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If there's no Clee I hope we play with 3cbs and Densmore and Griffin as wing backs. It the only way I see any quality width.
Me plus 2 going.
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Just about to set off and really looking forward to it.
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Just about to drive up from work. Chose this fixture as one of the few away games to test the water with, with the missus.
Not so much as a peep when I said I would be home late this morning...
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If there's no Clee I hope we play with 3cbs and Densmore and Griffin as wing backs. It the only way I see any quality width.
Me plus 2 going.
I always think Clee is the main reason not to play that formation - there's just no place for him in it. So given he's out, I'd be tempted by this too - all five of our defenders, Moult plus one in midfield and then Lawrie behind Reeves and Rankine.
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I think without clee it is probably logical to play with wing backs as for clee having no room in that formation I'd agree but if he is fit you just wouldn't play that formation clee is a must when fit
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Same team and bench as Saturday
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Sounds like we deserve to be losing, radio robins keeps cutting out
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This is awful.
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We need to get Sinnot off. He's having a shocker.
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This sounds as dull to listen to as Saturday's game was to watch, and that's not a comment on the commentary. I mean the game.
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GROUNDHOG DAY >:( >:(
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Better get used to this, long hard season. >:(
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We need to get Sinnot off. He's having a shocker.
Not sure how you have managed to single him out, all wank apart from stu
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Deep deep trouble already
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We need a creative player ASAP or we're in big trouble! Clee will miss as many games as he plays and without him we are devoid of any creativity whatsoever!!
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If we can all see 3 at the back was the way to go I assumed LS had a reason for not liking it otherwise he would have tried it pre-season but no Lee is happy to use it but only when we only have two fit centre halves at the club, very strange. As was said above most of the team picks itself in that formation and gets all our best players on the pitch. I agree Clee doesn't fit naturally into this but we could play Nicky at wing back for the first hour or so and then bring Griff on. Get nicky off before he gets tired and is more likely to pick up another niggle.
We have Crowther as cover for Lawrie in that formation too so options to get / keep creativity from it. I thought it had potential so was disappointed LS didn't try it pre-season and then amazed he rolled it out when Luca went off. If we are going to play this way we need another CB at least short term.
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If we can all see 3 at the back was the way to go I assumed LS had a reason for not liking it otherwise he would have tried it pre-season but no Lee is happy to use it but only when we only have two fit centre halves at the club, very strange. As was said above most of the team picks itself in that formation and gets all our best players on the pitch. I agree Clee doesn't fit naturally into this but we could play Nicky at wing back for the first hour or so and then bring Griff on. Get nicky off before he gets tired and is more likely to pick up another niggle.
We have Crowther as cover for Lawrie in that formation too so options to get / keep creativity from it. I thought it had potential so was disappointed LS didn't try it pre-season and then amazed he rolled it out when Luca went off. If we are going to play this way we need another CB at least short term.
Another Ryan Shotton would do for me!
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I actually thought Stu, the back four (especially Griffin) and Rankine and (to a lesser extent) Reeves were excellent. I jut thought it odd we played 442 with the worst two wingers I've ever seen (although I like Lawrie and Sinnott was better in centre mid second half).
Anyone who ever thinks we shouldn't play Nicky Clee knows absolutely f**k all about football and is a waste of band width.
The penalty was the clearest I've seen for years.
Oh and stop fing taking Reeves off. That's how we got relegated last time ffs!!
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I actually thought Stu, the back four (especially Griffin) and Rankine and (to a lesser extent) Reeves were excellent. I jut thought it odd we played 442 with the worst two wingers I've ever seen (although I like Lawrie and Sinnott was better in centre mid second half).
Anyone who ever thinks we shouldn't play Nicky Clee knows absolutely f**k all about football and is a waste of band width.
The penalty was the clearest I've seen for years.
Oh and stop fing taking Reeves off. That's how we got relegated last time ffs!!
He was better because he barely touched the ball so didn't f*ck up any promising moves. He is utter sh*te and shouldn't be on the pitch. How the hell he was MOTM on Saturday I'll never know. Perhaps it stands for Muppet of the Match.
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So, Jordan Sinnott is being made the scapegoat already? He was one of our better players on Saturday and I can't think of many others that merited MOTM
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I don't think he is good enough but a lively first 10 minutes was enough to win him man of the match which says more about the teams performance can't comment about tonight didn't go however I was gobsmacked when I heard we started with the same 11 despite a poor display on Saturday
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I didn't got tonight though I can see Rankine and Sinnott playing most games which can only mean 442. I hate to say it but it's got 2010/11 all over it already. Hopefully I'm wrong and we'll win at Woking on Saturday.
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So, Jordan Sinnott is being made the scapegoat already? He was one of our better players on Saturday and I can't think of many others that merited MOTM
I was being as fair as I can be. His first 45 minutes tonight was utter sh*te, about as bad as it gets. No scapegoat snout it, if you think otherwise I'd love to know how. But defending that is as bad as being critical. Open your eyes.
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As our players were applauded and encouraged as they walked off at half-time, I knew that we'd see something different in the second half. We went to 3-5-2 and we were better, but make no mistake about it, it wasn't going to be hard to improve on how we started the game.
The first twenty-five minutes of the game were shambolic. They went forward like we weren't there, we couldn't string three passes together and we were second to everything. It was clear enough to most of us that it was because we were lacking the extra body in midfield, so it was no surprise to see the changes that happened at half-time, I just think they should have come ten minutes into the game.
Did we deserve something on the balance of play? Probably not. Although we were denied a penalty in what will go down as one of the most disgraceful no-calls in our history, we still didn't create anything near what you'd call a clean cut chance. In fact I'd say that for all of our possession in the second half it was still Guiseley who looked more like scoring through quick breaks, and if it wasn't for Stuart Coburn (our MOTM by a country mile) the game would have been out of sight pretty early on.
Damian Reeves looked pissed off at the end and rightly so, must be frustrating being substituted when you're a goal down, but Bowerman was a headless chicken when he came on (he has a right gob on him by the way.) Michael Rankine was certainly our best outfield player, he worked extremely hard. I wasn't even going to mention Jordan Sinnott because I didn't feel like it was needed, but in the interest of addressing this 'scapegoat' topic, the entire midfield had a nightmare in the first half.
Last season we very occasionally got away with a four man midfield because we had a player of Peter Cavanagh's quality. We probably need to bite the bullet early doors and face up to the fact that we haven't adequately replaced him. We need to start packing the midfield with five players and accept that we aren't technically good enough to keep the ball with two central midfielders (especially when Richman is out.)
Hope Luca's injury isn't as bad as it looked when he was helped down the tunnel at half-time.
Get your heads up.
Edit: I should add that I said before the game I'd go with the same team as Saturday. Unhappily proved very wrong on that one.
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I actually thought Stu, the back four (especially Griffin) and Rankine and (to a lesser extent) Reeves were excellent. I jut thought it odd we played 442 with the worst two wingers I've ever seen (although I like Lawrie and Sinnott was better in centre mid second half).
Anyone who ever thinks we shouldn't play Nicky Clee knows absolutely f**k all about football and is a waste of band width.
The penalty was the clearest I've seen for years.
Oh and stop fing taking Reeves off. That's how we got relegated last time ffs!!
Agree with almost all of this except the reeves bit. For the second game running he spurred a clean goal scoring opportunity the likes he would have scored easily a while ago. He looks down on form and confidence. By the time he was substituted he looked knackered so fresh legs and a fresh idea did make sense for me. Rankine is different class and looks a cut above in both effort and performance. I'd play one up front and it would be rankine not reeves.
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I'd play them both but get some good midfielders and wingers. Reeves spent half the match last night defending, even ending up at right back at times while Rankine was also defending.
Reeves has been found out? Do behave will you!
ffs
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I think we would be better playing both, but we were cut to shreds in midfield last night. Hopefully get some clarification on havern richman and clee today.
We miss Simons energy and nickys invention greatly. For all our 2nd half possession we created little.
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I largely agree with Toff Apple, though I wouldn't drop Reeves. I know some players are beyond criticism on this forum Ballers, but Reevesy was completely anonymous last night. He did miss a great chance early doors and I honestly don't remember seeing him again. You (and others)can ffs as much as you like - he was just one of many players (established and new) who didn't show up last night. Has he been found out? Well, if the opposition see him as the main, nay, only goal threat, then perhaps he has. We need Nicky back to preoccupy other defenders and we need to decide once and for all whether we'd be better off playing Reevesy alone up front rather than with a partner. Rankine looked like he could be effective as a centre half at this level - he didn't lose the ball in the air once.
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Joey Barton would sort the midfield out. Free agent and all!
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Reeves would do better of he wasn't defending, his work rate was superb last night, and if he got better service.
I don't deny he's not Alan Shearer and his game is based on running behind defenders and poaching goals in the penalty area. To say he was quiet is fine but 'found out' is an absolutely ridiculous statement. You have to bear in mind there was zero threat from either flank and the defenders could concentrate completely on Reeves. and that their centre half Lockwood was excellent.
Also, I'm mighty glad their no 7 Brooksby was injured for the play off final!!
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If reeves has been found out we won't make 25 points this season I believe he will still be comfortabley are top scorer
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Both opening games the service to the forwards has been awful. We start with the right intention, of playing out from the back, but we are not holding onto the ball in midfield. Also, Marshall's distribution is too slow; he seems to want 5 minutes to get his head up and find a pass at times.
When the passing game breaks down, we revert to the long ball. While Rankine is effective at this, ie he can either hold up or turn and run, his only outlet is Reeves, as nobody else appears to be backing up the attacks.
Guiseley were zipping that ball around first half, and not all of that was due to our formation. Their movement was superb.
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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/non-league-football/guiseley-1-altrincham-0-atkinson-heads-lions-to-an-historic-first-victory-1-7404872 (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/non-league-football/guiseley-1-altrincham-0-atkinson-heads-lions-to-an-historic-first-victory-1-7404872)
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If reeves has been found out we won't make 25 points this season I believe he will still be comfortabley are top scorer
totally agree