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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: blackpoolalty on September 21, 2008, 01:26:01 PM
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As I was getting a pint of milk this morning I had a quick flick through one of the NLP, not sure which one but theres a small bit with a comment from GG.
In it he basically states he's had enough, can't take the club any further, is looking for investment, isn't a conference chairman and can't afford it no longer...
Intersting. I feel theres more to come. After a supporter questioned Rowley's involvement with the club yesterday and said he 'could walk away' his reaction said it all.
I stood back, watched and listened....
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That was the statement on the main site on Saturday morning..prior to yesterday
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I'm wondering whether while we are all argueing about heathcote, we might be having some money troubles if what you have said is true.
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Not according to the fully audited accounts we're not. How about taking club's statement at face value i.e. Geoff , Andrew and Grahame do not have the substantial sums of cash which are required to fund a successful club at BSP level and are therefore inviting anyone with such to come on board.
For the record there was no second shot from the grassy knowle, there was a moon landing in 1969 and Princess Di died because her driver was p*ssed.
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I'm wondering whether while we are all argueing about heathcote, we might be having some money troubles if what you have said is true.
Only in the sense that it was said that the money from the car park development would have run out by the end of the season.
Reading between the lines, that means a 'less expensive' squad in the offing for next season. It looks like GG and GR think we might be better going down this year to a league which they feel we can afford unless a sugar daddy comes in.
Keeping GH in charge is probably the best way to ensure this happens. :(
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This may sound sound stupid but are you joking or saying that GH is still here to send us down on purpose
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Yes it does sound stupid it isn't what he is saying at all.
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I'm sorry im a bit confused today
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It was an attempt at irony - but thanks for the Peake anyway ;)
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This is to what I was refering too, from Altrinchamfc.com...
In today's NL Today newspaper, we read that "Altrincham chairman Geoff Goodwin is desperate for a way out of the club as soon as possible; he just has to find someone to take over. Fans have again been on the back of the chief, and manager Graham Heathcote, after the Robins’ poor start to the season. But Goodwin, who has been searching for a successor for some time says he cannot take the club any further and wants the supporters to lay off.
’I’ve hit a brick wall’, he said. ‘I’ve done my bit but I’m not a chairman for the Conference. I can’t afford it’. I want to go but I’m not going to do that until someone comes in with a three-year business plan to take the club forward. To sustain things in this league you need people to put massive amounts of money in. I’d love that to happen but it has to be done with a proper plan because I can’t let what we’ve done over the last six years be destroyed. The fans expect to do well in the Conference now, and I understand that, but I’ve been getting some stick and I don’t deserve it. It’s about what you can afford. You are where you are and the fans have to accept that’.
Unfortunately, for all concerned, Goodwin does not expect things to change anytime soon. ‘In today’s climate, what are the chances?', he explained. ‘People aren’t going to invest in a football club when they are having to lay people off. So we’ll have to keep going as we are for now’.
The chairman also insists that boss Heathcote is still the right man to lead the team. ‘He’s not under pressure’, said Goodwin. 'Graham doesn’t enjoy getting beat any more than the fans do. You can’t always blame the manager. You could sack him but where would you find the money to pay the next manager and bring in more players? It’s not about changing the manager, it’s about being realistic’”.
Couple of points..
He seems to at least have the CLUB at heart and wishes not to throw the good work done away
Iam not aware of anything negative nor any stick directed towards GG
He seems to indicate theres no change imminent
'its about what we can afford and the fans have to accept that, you are where we are ??? - can we at least have a go at staying here then ?
How can GH not be under pressure ? If not why the hell is he manager, and to say 'you can't sack him because how would we pay someone else' is a little off the mark. How do we pay GH, in beans ???
And lastly, I think its only a matter of time before something more serious happens, and that would be a shame...
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Where do I start?
The fans expect to do well in the Conference now
No we don't expect to "do well". We just expect to compete better and maybe stay up of our own accord!
‘He’s not under pressure’, said Goodwin. 'Graham doesn’t enjoy getting beat any more than the fans do. You can’t always blame the manager. You could sack him but where would you find the money to pay the next manager and bring in more players? It’s not about changing the manager, it’s about being realistic
Same old bullsh*t! Why don't they just have the balls to admit they love Graham and won't sack him under any circumstances? I might actually respect them if they had the honesty to admit it.
This club is now a joke - run by the clique for the clique. They don't give a sh*t about Altrincham F.C. or its fans.
Welcome to Graham Heathcote F.C.
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If we have cleared over £600k of debt over the last few years, they have obv been doing something right. Why the need for investment now we have cleared the debt ?
If I was clearing a debt at say £500 a month, after I had paid it off wouldn't I technically be £500 a month better off ?
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Yes but you can't assume you are going to sell a car park or a Craney every season.
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Yes but you can't assume you are going to sell a car park or a Craney every season.
That is why I said 'the last few years'
We haven't had a sell on fee nor car park sale the previous 3/4 seasons before last...
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Craney alone was £75k, dunno what the car park was but bet it was a fair chunk of the debt.
Anyway I think the sentiment GG is expressing to move the club on is that it needs more funding - the BSP has got richer, so using your logic if we have stay the same we are poor and getting poorer in comparison with our peers.
These are unstable times at Alty - the Chairman has effectively give himself 9 months notice, the fans have had enough of the manager and the players are now caught up with it too - with these players being on non-contract or small, 1-year contracts, then it isn't hard for them to move if they wish.
I'm not sure where the loyality comes from between GH and GG - maybe someone knows? Usually in football, Managers and Chairmen have uneasy relationships or at best professional ones.
One thing is for certain - it'll keep this forum busy!
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Maybe Goodwin thinks we want Heathcote out so we can try and get up there with the bigger teams with a new manager and thats why he want investment, because he thinks we will put pressure on him to give the club more money and try and get in to the top halve of the table.
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Maybe Goodwin thinks we want Heathcote out so we can try and get up there with the bigger teams
If he really does think that he is as thick as two short planks.
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Do all the other teams have Sugar daddies? Or are they running up huge debts? The latter I feel.
The club is solvent and generally all volunteers. The other week i saw GR painting the gates in his suit!
GH yesterdaty was frustrated with the team as he was telling the players what to do and they still punted the ball 60 yards. A thankless job generally.
He should stay.
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GH yesterdaty was frustrated with the team as he was telling the players what to do and they still punted the ball 60 yards. A thankless job generally.
He should stay.
I'm not saying all the fans acted perfectly but what GH did yesterday was completely unacceptable. You cannot blame the players in any way for his appalling behaviour.
His position is now completely untenable and he has to go.
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SJ, Graham does need to calm down and should not insult the fans, he is over passionate?
He should definately apologise. and curb the attitude, afterall we all want the same thing? Success!!!!
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Where do I start?
The fans expect to do well in the Conference now
No we don't expect to "do well". We just expect to compete better and maybe stay up of our own accord!
‘He’s not under pressure’, said Goodwin. 'Graham doesn’t enjoy getting beat any more than the fans do. You can’t always blame the manager. You could sack him but where would you find the money to pay the next manager and bring in more players? It’s not about changing the manager, it’s about being realistic
Same old bullsh*t! Why don't they just have the balls to admit they love Graham and won't sack him under any circumstances? I might actually respect them if they had the honesty to admit it.
This club is now a joke - run by the clique for the clique. They don't give a sh*t about Altrincham F.C. or its fans.
Welcome to Graham Heathcote F.C.
As ever, I think as well intentioned as these comments are I always look at them and think what?
He doesn't like getting beat any more than the fans do. I'm sure most managers don't. And amidst all the criticism that GH gets I don't think him not being arsed about the result is one that spring to mind.
I would also presume that money for the next manager would be the funds saved by having dispensed with the previous incumbent. Obviously there would be employemnt law issues but even so.
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I respect most of what geoff said apart from this bit;
The fans expect to do well in the Conference now.
If this read "The fans expect with the players we've got we should be at least competing and entertaining" Geoff would be spot on.
Any clues on how to make Mr Goodwin understand and get the message we know our limitations and that we expect it to be a struggle every year and that we don't really want a sugar Daddy and we the fans defintely don't ant a new chairman undoing all the work this and previous boards have done in unravelling the debt??
Incidentally, when did we pay off Mr Berman?
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All I have thought about is ... not the w*nker sign, or the shouting amongst the supporters and management, that sort of thing is sadly expected but the not allowing the players to come over to the fans. If there is only an apology for one thing then it should be that. That was the saddest thing I have ever seen at Altrincham Football Club.
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Along with disgruntled paying customers being shown where the door is.
"Rude" is not a big enough word to describe it.
And, for the record, there should be a full and frank apology for the w@nker signs etc. accompanied by the resignation of the manager.
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There should indeed be a full and frank apology.
If there isn't then that represents a far more revealing v-sign does it not?
No-one doubts Graham's passion for the club.....but if he is allowed passion and to show it surely everyone else is?
There is a contradicton in the 'cote's actions and then not letting the players acknowledge the fans for getting behind the team beciause of similar actions by a small proportion of said fans which smacks of indecent and unacceptable arrogance.
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I'm quite dismayed by the lack of apology. I can't believe (as far I am aware) nothing was mentioned at the Meet the Recruits night. It just proves how arrogant GH (and in turn, the board) have become.
This whole episode is extremely depressing :(
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I respect most of what geoff said apart from this bit; "The fans expect to do well in the Conference now." If this read "The fans expect with the players we've got we should be at least competing and entertaining" Geoff would be spot on.
Bang on, Jezza.
This, on paper, is the best group of players we've had here in years. That they're not competing would seem to me to be down to them not being played in the correct formations, not being coached correctly and not having the right tactics instilled into them.
Too many times we go into games either without a plan or with the strategy of playing on the break. We end up getting slaughtered.
All these deficiencies are down to the manager. Part of the manager's job is to get a decent bunch of players - he's done that. Doing these other things is also a big part of his job - one that he is patently not capable of fulfilling.
Look at a side like FGR. Harvey is able to get the best out of his players who generally are no better than ours.
GH needs to go.
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I respect most of what geoff said apart from this bit; "The fans expect to do well in the Conference now." If this read "The fans expect with the players we've got we should be at least competing and entertaining" Geoff would be spot on.
Bang on, Jezza.
This, on paper, is the best group of players we've had here in years. That they're not competing would seem to me to be down to them not being played in the correct formations, not being coached correctly and not having the right tactics instilled into them.
Too many times we go into games either without a plan or with the strategy of playing on the break. We end up getting slaughtered.
All these deficiencies are down to the manager. Part of the manager's job is to get a decent bunch of players - he's done that. Doing these other things is also a big part of his job - one that he is patently not capable of fulfilling.
Look at a side like FGR. Harvey is able to get the best out of his players who generally are no better than ours.
GH needs to go.
Correct.
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All I have thought about is ... not the w*nker sign, or the shouting amongst the supporters and management, that sort of thing is sadly expected but the not allowing the players to come over to the fans. If there is only an apology for one thing then it should be that. That was the saddest thing I have ever seen at Altrincham Football Club.
I agree, I felt a genuine sadness when that happened.
I would love to know what the players thought of it, I know a couple like Stu still managed to give us an ovation.