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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Fred Elliot on June 14, 2007, 10:41:41 PM
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Prices up £2 for adults £1 concessionary. Club says great value ? The season ticket looks even more excellent value now. No news on pie prices though
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£12 is still the cheapest in the division and staying in the Blue Square Premier is worth every extra penny in my opinion.
Still, if you can afford a season ticket, go get one - they're amazing value!
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lets hope the extra couple of quid doesnt put floating fans off -probably depends on how we are playing
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I think the extra couple of quid will enable us to have a slightly bigger playing budget and hopefully a better team as a result. This should lead to better performances and results. I think it's results that are a bigger influence on the floating fans in all honesty. I know of people who will pay £12 to watch us in Blue Square Premier who would not have paid £10 to watch us regularly in Blue Square North. It's all down to the standard of football at the end of the day. Away turnouts won't be affected by the price as we are still the cheapest ground to visit in this league.
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Club says great value ?
Isn't it ? I think if we're honest it's what you'd expect to pay, like we said cheapest at this level. I don't think it could go any more though.
I've discussed this a lot and always been of the £10 is a nice round number for floating fans etc group. However, I think it's probably the right time for a slight change. The club ahve been good in trying to keep prices down but this is really necessary if we're honest. Unlike the Premiership where it is dwarfed by tv money anyway and there is no need, where it just goes to line the pockets of unscrupulous agents or foreign mercenaries here it makes a huge difference.
An extra £2 on a gate of 1000 is £2000 near enough, call it £1700 after costs, £850 a week, that's 2 good standard conference players Tinson and Little compared to AScott and Kieran Lugsden.
Whilst I think it may slightly decrease the attendances it's best to do it at a time of growth and in a position of relative strength if you see what I mean. Seeing as we've given up on ever having a cup run of any sort ever again it's a necessary evil. It's still good value for the nippers and hopefully this will allow us to fund some of our community projects a lot more. If it can be helped to make the matchday experience, food, drinks, decent tv in the bar, bigger bar area etc then I think it's well worth it.
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I think the extra couple of quid will enable us to have a slightly bigger playing budget and hopefully a better team as a result. This should lead to better performances and results. I think it's results that are a bigger influence on the floating fans in all honesty. I know of people who will pay £12 to watch us in Blue Square Premier who would not have paid £10 to watch us regularly in Blue Square North. It's all down to the standard of football at the end of the day. Away turnouts won't be affected by the price as we are still the cheapest ground to visit in this league.
cheapest or joint cheapest ?
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Does it matter? If you can't watch BSP football for less then it's the cheapest it can be isn't it?
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It depends how you look at it. On the negative side a 20% increase is a lot. But on the positive side £12 is not too much to ask and the extra income will help the club move forward. The season ticket looks to be the best option especially as it gives free entry to friendlies and guarantees a ticket for the cup game against Manchester United(it has to happen eventually)
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Glad I got my season ticket, but I still would have paid £12.
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I honestly can't see the increase deterring anyone, surely? What floating fan is going to turn up, see the price and get back in his car and drive off? £12 is decent value for BSP football, and as cheap as you will find. Some Ryman clubs down here charge £10-11.
As someone said its £2000 more each fortnight. Vital to get the squad to what is needed to compete properly.
And its not strictly 20% is it, its the first price increase for 3 seasons if my memory is correct?
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Agreed its only 20% because there was not rise after promtion last year.
There is no point in being the cheapest club by £3/£4 and then saying we can't compete for players and have no money.
Some uneducated locals may think that £12 is a little dear but they need to realise a club in their town plays at the top level of non league football. And that its £15 to get quite a few other grounds.
Its the right decision in my book and I am the worlds skintest man!
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It will also mean more change in peoples pockets. Good for snack bar, NWS and most importantly GW and the bucket crew!
Note: 'bucket' was not a reference to the popular 90's form of soft drug consumption.
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I'm minted so it really doesn't bother me.
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£12 is still the cheapest in the division
Farsley Celtic are only charging a tenner for adults this season.
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I know why the club have done it...they had to in order compete at the higher level.
But I was overstretched last year getting to whatever games I can...the season ticket is superb value but I just haven't got the readies...and it's hard to justify spending that sort of money to the missus or myself when there are bills to pay etc etc
Full marks to the positive outlook that putting the price up means more change in people's pockets though!
Congratulations to the club on keeping us the cheapest, hopefully for everyone like me there are two new fans who are minted.
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Do you drink in the bar jezza?
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When I do get to a match I am first to get to Jenny afterwards to savour victory / wallow in defeat with a glorious pint of delicious John Smiths.
I probably made about 5 home matches last season and none away and I make my decision upon counting my weekly takings and looking at the week's bills...if i can afford £15 for entry, a burger and a pint then I'll go...if I've only got the entry money or less I don't.
I saw every single home and away league match in our conf N play off winning season.
However my income has remaind static while absolutly everything else has risen ridiculously so God knows how many games I'll get to this season.
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In that case you have made a good point on prices ;D
18 months ago I too was skint. I didnt have a burger and didnt have a beer. Paid £10 entrance and went home.
I did steal the odd pint from Bradders, Truckers and Boyney, to which I owe alot to help make a good day out.
Perhaps Jezza lay off the burgers and have your dinner at home. If you can make 6 home games this season it would be great. it is one extra person through the turnstiles.
Oh and perhaps consider this Jezza - Steward roll at Alty???
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When I do get to a match I am first to get to Jenny afterwards to savour victory / wallow in defeat with a glorious pint of delicious John Smiths.
I probably made about 5 home matches last season and none away and I make my decision upon counting my weekly takings and looking at the week's bills...if i can afford £15 for entry, a burger and a pint then I'll go...if I've only got the entry money or less I don't.
I saw every single home and away league match in our conf N play off winning season.
However my income has remaind static while absolutly everything else has risen ridiculously so God knows how many games I'll get to this season.
Jezza,
Why don't you save yourself some money by stopping smoking then?
Just think how many games at Moss Lane you could attend if you weren't spending money on cigarettes.
(cowers on back seat and awaits diatribe from irate taxi driver.....!)
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Oh and perhaps consider this Jezza - Steward roll at Alty???
Been there, done that....sadly as i've explained previously I found it too hard to impartially monitor away fans while jumping up and down celebrating an Alty goal / abusing the ref. Also when the opposition fans start singing abusive songs to the Alty, I'm the first to want to wade in and give them a Dennis birch style piece of my mind.
Cult...don't be silly old chap...last thing you want to start me off on is a smoking debate.
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Oh and perhaps consider this Jezza - Steward roll at Alty???
Steward roll?
May I be the first to indulge in this new Moss Lane pastime by volunteering to push a supine Phil Taylor along the full length of the pitch?
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Mr Cult,
I suspect that you would require donations to pay for the truss which such an activity would doubtless necessitate.
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Regarding the floating supporter - A lot of people are struggling to afford increases in council tax, water, heat and light etc way above their wage/pension increase. It's easy to be blinkered when its your passion - a couple of quid aint gonna hurt, drink less, give up your fags etc. It's still supposed to be a working class game, lets not forget that. I hate to see sacrificies made when once a person could enjoy a smoke, a drink and watch a good Alty match without worrying about the financial ramifications. Football has become a luxury and it's a damn shame.
The only thing I can think of is doubling admission prices for students and discount it for the rest of us - well they are always on the piss
See you next season
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£12 is still the cheapest in the division
Farsley Celtic are only charging a tenner for adults this season.
Doesn't count. Yorkshire. Anyway we aren't as well funded as they are. (Ryan Sugden? Carl Serrant? Craig Midgely? Jimmy Kelly? Steve Torpey?)
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A few interesting points there to be honest. Fair play to anyone who goes to loads of games. I'll be buying my first season ticket this year (when I have £170 at my disposal) as it will be so much cheaper. i think you can't shy away from the price issue, it had to be done. For my money, those floating voters who in a coversation will say 'how much is it to get in? £12, I'm going stay in the pub and watch United on a dodgu Al Jazeera channel instead, better innit' probaly would say the same if it was £10 anyway if we're really honest about it.
I think anyone who thinks about going knowing its a tenner to get in is probably commiting themselves to spending £15+ anyway really. It's not that much, it depends on the experience. £12 to see us beat Vics 3-0 will attract them back, if they pay £10 and see us capitulate againast Gravesend won't.
I think things like being able to get served easily in the bar, not have to queue up for ages for a burger and to recieve good food at the end of it, being able to see a big screen of Gillette Soccer Saturday (or even better be able to not miss the lunchtime Premiership game), be part of a good atmos* and see good football is more important than a 2 quid price difference.
* I think this is really where the price rise comes good.
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Its the right decision in my book and I am the worlds skintest man!
Come on Ecky your loaded ;)
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At the end of the day the club are not trying to discourage anyone. We all have financial constraints in one way or another.
The extra income generated as stated earlier at say 700 fans at £2 each allows the club to spend more on wages, making the team better, rising up the league and therefore attracting more supporters.
Seems logical to me.
Still not sure about the steward roll though sounds a bit chewy to me and would probably leave a nasty after taste.
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For the last two seasons the price has been £10 per match 46 matches so thats £92 saved already, The club could have put up the prices then.
Let the peaking commence
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By any comparison with real life £12 for a non-league football match is just daft, but I alway rationlise it by saying that every time it's paid it's a little bit of personal sponsorship.
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£12 is good value compared to those people who pay around £40 to watch the premiership poofs. Though I think Wigan are only charging £15.
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Sad to say this but it will be very hard to tempt first timers to come and watch a non league game at over £10, how much is it to go to Stockport or Oldham?
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£12 is good value compared to those people who pay around £40 to watch the premiership poofs. Though I think Wigan are only charging £15.
If you were turning up just to be entertained with a family it wouldn't compared with going to the cinema or Wild Duck World or wherever families go. Fans pay because they support the club so usually don't complain, but if the Apollo down the road charged £12 no one would go.
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Wheres wild duck world, Im loving the sound of that :D
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The thing is its the market rate, it trickles down from the top too. Football has boomed in this country since the Premier League started, foreign players came and grounds became safer. So players want and get more, it is just supply and demand.
If the club were to be brave and say reduce prices to maybe £8, would we get more people in........no, course we wouldn't. We have to charge what is required to set a decent budget for the league we are in if we are to progress. We won't win AGM's every season you know!
Its £12, £6 a week if you don't travel, how much do a packet of fags or 3 pints cost? Really can't see it especially at £2 for a kid.
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Course typically my 300th post was a rant!!
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Wheres wild duck world, Im loving the sound of that :D
Tigertastically it turns out there is a Haven holiday park called Wild Duck near Great Yarmouth. All the family can go for a week for just £99, thus proving my point.
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The thing is its the market rate, it trickles down from the top too. Football has boomed in this country since the Premier League started, foreign players came and grounds became safer. So players want and get more, it is just supply and demand.
If the club were to be brave and say reduce prices to maybe £8, would we get more people in........no, course we wouldn't. We have to charge what is required to set a decent budget for the league we are in if we are to progress. We won't win AGM's every season you know!
Its £12, £6 a week if you don't travel, how much do a packet of fags or 3 pints cost? Really can't see it especially at £2 for a kid.
If you look at all the empty seats in football grounds these days (barring the big boys) I think it tells it's own story. Supporters are voting with there feet. It wont be long before the clubs realise that it is no longer sustainable to pay the kind of wages these players are demanding.
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Surely it's a bit of a myth that ALL top division clubs were selling out (in the tickets sense) every game anyway. All-seater grounds tend to make it more obvious when there's gaps with all those shiny plastic seats. The COMS holds 48,000 but when was the last time Manchester City were averaging crowds of 47,999 ?
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I'm certainly not of the illusion that all Premiership grounds sell out, look at Blackburn, Villa and Middlesboro as the obvious examples but if those who can remember the late 80's, post Heysel/Hillsborough it was a world away from today. Pound for pound it was much cheaper, only a fiver at many grounds included OT, yet outside of the big names gates of under 15000 were common in the old Div 1.
I recall a spell back then when Alty's gates dipped well below 500, getting just 300 and something a couple of times.
The game is much different today, and more people attend. The bubble will I think deflate a little but I don't think its ready to burst yet.
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The kids are the key, and it is good that it remains bugger all for them to come into Moss Lane. I can see some first timers getting put off coming, although I have 3 from work lined up for the first home game and hope to get them hooked.
I wonder if, alongside the £12 standard adult fare (which I still think is reasonable given the circumstances and that GH says he wants 5 new players) there could be something akin to a 'dad and lad' scheme where if a kid drags his dad along (and lets be honest a lot of the new kids are of an age where they'll need an adult with them) then the dad gets in for a tenner, and the kid pays the £2? The dad - who only has to go due to the pestering kid - may feel less put out each week paying the 'psychological' £10. Or would this be too complicated to administer? It possibly would.
Do we do family tickets? £25 for 2 adults and 2 kids?
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like the idea of family tickets for £25 but the lad n dad scheme seems a bit too complicated...dont knw if that would really have an effect
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Family tickets are an excellent idea however administratively difficult. I think such a scheme would need to be set up for advance sales only, I doubt the club is geared up to do this currently, otherwise whats to stop people "getting together" outside to pick up the discount?
Also, not sure how it would all work for tax and VAT? How do we prove the takings are accurate with all different pricing arrangements?
I think a better idea is some form of loyalty scheme where supporters can collect a voucher or ticket stub and get a discounted ticket for some less attractive fixtures, the likes of Ebbsfleet, Histon etc where we would expect a smaller gate. It would have the advantage of getting bigger crowds for these games too.
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Let's remember this is our THIRD season back in the top flight of non-league. After the last two seasons, we have recognised that there is the need to bring better players in and compete with more clubs. I just hope money is invested in the right areas of the team. There is no point being the cheapest in this league, Oxford, York, Vics etc are still going to bring a healthy number to swell our home support. Llast seasons average suggests an extra £1800 per game can be achieved. Not bad to add to a small wage budget, lets also remeber we increased home attendances by 11.3% (tony kempster says so) for last season, so why carnt we increase attendances again? Also the club is superbly run, our last game v aldershot showed that local people do care about us, but we still need to do more to attract support.
£2 rise isnt too much, its still cheap for this league, but as always there is competition from other clubs - just look at wigan and blackburn offering season tickets at £250 for premiership footy (£13.16 per game). This season I will be getting a season ticket for alty, and may pop along to some of the friendlies.
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For comparison's sake just checked out Stockport's site. Last season adults were £18 (£16 in the Cheadle end) and kids a fiver. Family tickets for 2 adults and 2 kids were £40.
Bearing in mind this was LAST season, I think we compare very well indeed.
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We do. Bury was about £18-£20 last season to watch a struggling side in an empty all seater stadium. Christ - Radcliffe was £8 last season and will probably be the same in the Unibond North Division One Northern or whatever it is called.
It's what football costs these days.
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I still think it is good value especially if you are going to bring a kid with you.
Look at the green scum's prices :-
#14.00 adult, 12.00 concession and 6.50 for 12 to 16 year olds.
There is a lower rate of 3.50 for 0 - 11 year olds.
Surely taking someone below the age of 16 to see them is some form of child cruelty.
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They are the new prices. When we went this season just gone it was a fiver for 12-15 year olds.