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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: whopper on December 14, 2012, 03:05:59 PM
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http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/12/28/bundesliga-winter-break-does-no-harm/
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Ah, THIS old chestnut (yawn)
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Ah, THIS old chestnut (yawn)
postponements (yawn)
love a good fixture backlog every season (yawn)
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So, which dates would this break be in order to guarantee that all eventualities are covered. How about November to March?
Also, teams like Vauxhall Motors would just use this as an opportunity to go on money-spinning tours of Asia, raking in cash and increasing the advantage that they already have over us.
For those reasons, I'm out.
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It simply can't be done in this country....
We live in a temperate climate, so nothing is ever certain.
One day it can be 12 deg, the next it can be minus 6, so there is just no predictable weather over here.
Most of Germany gets preditcably cold, so they can do it & they do.
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Its always december january that the frost sets in, and there are'nt really many pro's for clubs to play in cold weather either, we got 600 at new year droylesden last year! You cant tell me non league crowds wouldnt be larger while the pro clubs werent playing.
Strange that you say unpredictable weather yet we have this conversation every dec/jan, its just a situation that could be avoided.
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nonsense debate - this is a crazy plan. utterly preposterous. stop this silly talk before some idiot at the FA think "oooh that's a good idea"
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nonsense debate - this is a crazy plan. utterly preposterous. stop this silly talk before some idiot at the FA think "oooh that's a good idea"
why? would the world end?
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Are we suddenly the FA? If so yes let's debate this every year. If not, Jesus, lets move on to slightly less covered ground. I've heard we have a talented young player waiting on our opinions about his perceived under utilisation. As well as a board desperate to hear how us turning a £50 a week profit is detrimental to out 4 man substitutes bench.
This forum is on its arse.
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Are we suddenly the FA? If so yes let's debate this every year. If not, Jesus, lets move on to slightly less covered ground. I've heard we have a talented young player waiting on our opinions about his perceived under utilisation. As well as a board desperate to hear how us turning a £50 a week profit is detrimental to out 4 man substitutes bench.
This forum is on its arse.
so is our winter football schedule :D
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we can cope with it , after all we end up the same every season ,so who cares
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Just had a look at games that have been postponed due to weather over the past couple of years. The earliest game was 30th November, the latest was 5th February.
Lets assuming we take a 2 month break for December and January. When exactly are we going to play there fixtures? Should we start the season in July and end it in June, effectively removing the summer break with players finishing one, then start the pre-season of the other?
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I don't agree with winter break, it would kill clubs at are level
Imagine having a break during December and January when the weather was playable and then being hit with postponements in February?
The only logical answer is to play in the summer - but I am against that - football is this nations winter sport
Postponements are part and parcel of the game on this country, and although an inconvenience, I wouldn't have it any other way
The key is to have plenty of games before the clocks go back, always used to be the way but for some reason not so much these days. For example why did we only have one midweek game in September?
Better scheduling yes, but winter break no
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yep anyway next home game boston so another win
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Football isnt a sport to be played in winter conditions without undersoil heating.
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Football isnt a sport to be played in winter conditions without undersoil heating.
Although it was managed perfectly well for over 80 years before such luxuries existed.
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nonsense debate - this is a crazy plan. utterly preposterous. stop this silly talk before some idiot at the FA think "oooh that's a good idea"
why? would the world end?
No of course the world wouldn't end. What would end are the wonderful cold, bright and dry winter days when it's cracking to get out of the house, get to a game and watch the Alty Heroes.
We can swap that for a rain sodden, chilly February evening. Why would anybody do that? Would you do that?
As soon as you find somebody who can accurately predict the weather, six - nine months ahead (so we know when to have this break) for this temperate island you come back and tell me. Until then this topic is a dead dog.
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trololololol
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Football isnt a sport to be played in winter conditions without undersoil heating.
Although it was managed perfectly well for over 80 years before such luxuries existed.
indeed. before crowd health and safety etc, traditionalists wont like it even though they will see more football and be able to plan to go to a game that isnt backlogged.
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They should only be playing on Boxing Day and New Years Day during the Christmas break with the Saturdays, when BD and NYD fall on a midweek date, used if the game is called off on these dates. I mean why do we have to go to Histon on the 28th December?
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Obviously Ridgeway Rocket is a " new" football supporter ? lets play on plastic grass, under a roof with the heating on etc ::) as said most of europe knows what tomorrows weather will be, for us it's allways a lottery.
Although with bundersleiga admission prices every staduim here would be full !
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Obviously Ridgeway Rocket is a " new" football supporter ? lets play on plastic grass, under a roof with the heating on etc ::) as said most of europe knows what tomorrows weather will be, for us it's allways a lottery.
Although with bundersleiga admission prices every staduim here would be full !
im anything but a new supporter BDR, as cestrian just said why do we play histon on 28th december? Its obvios if played in may more people would attend.
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I dare say the same 70 people who always make the trip to Histon would go irrespective of the date when it's played....
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I dare say the same 70 people who always make the trip to Histon would go irrespective of the date when it's played....
but the whole crowd still be a lot more if played on a better date.
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Looks like it might happen.....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-chief-richard-scudamore-1379761
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I dare say the same 70 people who always make the trip to Histon would go irrespective of the date when it's played....
but the whole crowd still be a lot more if played on a better date.
Better date and winter break are two separate things. It baffles me why we are going to Histon (one of the farthest journerys in our league campaign) between Christmas and new year yet are playing Droylesden in may. That seems like a daft idea and will have an effect on the crowds due to the expense at that time of year. If we played in May against Histon I would suggest there may be a lower crowd than in December due to what looks like an impending relegation for histon meaning less people would turn up.
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Better planning of fixtures is something I agree with 100%. A winter break is NOT better planning of fixtures.
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
So you move fixture to the summer when people are more likely to be away? You scrap the boxing day fixtures that if planned correctly can attract bumper gates?
I am no traditionalist believe me, but footy is a WINTER game. Start fannying around with that and you'll be changing the character of the game. As I said before when you can predict the weather 6 - 9 months ahead you come back and tell me and the Met Office all about it yeah. cheers.
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
So you move fixture to the summer when people are more likely to be away? You scrap the boxing day fixtures that if planned correctly can attract bumper gates?
I am no traditionalist believe me, but footy is a WINTER game. Start fannying around with that and you'll be changing the character of the game. As I said before when you can predict the weather 6 - 9 months ahead you come back and tell me and the Met Office all about it yeah. cheers.
come on people go away in the winter to thats not relevant, i know it would be hard to implecate a full scale fixture change at first it may be gradual, and games of football cant be played in frosty wintery conditions without undersoil heating so like i said its not really a winter sport at our level is it?
And at the end of the day this is something that they are looking at changing so its not just me.
Empty seats all around old trafford u cant tell me that would happen in may.
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Very mild today. 10 Celsius in most parts. Much warmer than the past two weeks.
Was this one of the days you wanted to be football free?
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
So you move fixture to the summer when people are more likely to be away? You scrap the boxing day fixtures that if planned correctly can attract bumper gates?
I am no traditionalist believe me, but footy is a WINTER game. Start fannying around with that and you'll be changing the character of the game. As I said before when you can predict the weather 6 - 9 months ahead you come back and tell me and the Met Office all about it yeah. cheers.
come on people go away in the winter to thats not relevant, i know it would be hard to implecate a full scale fixture change at first it may be gradual, and games of football cant be played in frosty wintery conditions without undersoil heating so like i said its not really a winter sport at our level is it?
And at the end of the day this is something that they are looking at changing so its not just me.
Empty seats all around old trafford u cant tell me that would happen in may.
People go away in winter, true, but many more people go away in summer. That's a well known fact. You can't tel me.more people would go away at Christmas than in the summer holidays.
And again, another nonsense argument. 10 days before Christmas people can't afford/don't have the time for a football game with so much to do and/or the chance of overtime meaning more money over an expensive time of year. In may United are normally either about to win or are neat enough to winning the league that the games are more desirable so more people turn up.
Flawed arguments jacko.
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I think at our level were pitches are not always the best would be to start the season 2 weeks early and perhaps have 2 maybe 3 more midweek games before Christmas than a break
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
So you move fixture to the summer when people are more likely to be away? You scrap the boxing day fixtures that if planned correctly can attract bumper gates?
I am no traditionalist believe me, but footy is a WINTER game. Start fannying around with that and you'll be changing the character of the game. As I said before when you can predict the weather 6 - 9 months ahead you come back and tell me and the Met Office all about it yeah. cheers.
come on people go away in the winter to thats not relevant, i know it would be hard to implecate a full scale fixture change at first it may be gradual, and games of football cant be played in frosty wintery conditions without undersoil heating so like i said its not really a winter sport at our level is it?
And at the end of the day this is something that they are looking at changing so its not just me.
Empty seats all around old trafford u cant tell me that would happen in may.
People go away in winter, true, but many more people go away in summer. That's a well known fact. You can't tel me.more people would go away at Christmas than in the summer holidays.
And again, another nonsense argument. 10 days before Christmas people can't afford/don't have the time for a football game with so much to do and/or the chance of overtime meaning more money over an expensive time of year. In may United are normally either about to win or are neat enough to winning the league that the games are more desirable so more people turn up.
Flawed arguments jacko.
you've proved me right so how can it be a floored argument? More people would go to watch in may full stop.
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I think at our level were pitches are not always the best would be to start the season 2 weeks early and perhaps have 2 maybe 3 more midweek games before Christmas than a break
jthis seems sensible enough, it baffles me if football is a winter sport why is it played in the summer olympics?
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Very mild today. 10 Celsius in most parts. Much warmer than the past two weeks.
Was this one of the days you wanted to be football free?
fair enough i see your point, but its clear that there seems to be a differance between football league fixtures holding up and non league holding up ie halifax.
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Well to be honest the attendance figures speak volumes, its not working, empty stands mean more club debts.
So you move fixture to the summer when people are more likely to be away? You scrap the boxing day fixtures that if planned correctly can attract bumper gates?
I am no traditionalist believe me, but footy is a WINTER game. Start fannying around with that and you'll be changing the character of the game. As I said before when you can predict the weather 6 - 9 months ahead you come back and tell me and the Met Office all about it yeah. cheers.
come on people go away in the winter to thats not relevant, i know it would be hard to implecate a full scale fixture change at first it may be gradual, and games of football cant be played in frosty wintery conditions without undersoil heating so like i said its not really a winter sport at our level is it?
And at the end of the day this is something that they are looking at changing so its not just me.
Empty seats all around old trafford u cant tell me that would happen in may.
People go away in winter, true, but many more people go away in summer. That's a well known fact. You can't tel me.more people would go away at Christmas than in the summer holidays.
And again, another nonsense argument. 10 days before Christmas people can't afford/don't have the time for a football game with so much to do and/or the chance of overtime meaning more money over an expensive time of year. In may United are normally either about to win or are neat enough to winning the league that the games are more desirable so more people turn up.
Flawed arguments jacko.
you've proved me right so how can it be a floored argument? More people would go to watch in may full stop.
That's economic factors and has nothing to do with a winter break. Also, using OT as a guidestick for our level is unrealistic.
I think at our level were pitches are not always the best would be to start the season 2 weeks early and perhaps have 2 maybe 3 more midweek games before Christmas than a break
jthis seems sensible enough, it baffles me if football is a winter sport why is it played in the summer olympics?
Because it fits in with all other countries football seasons so they don't have to have an enforced winter break. Its the same reason that world cups and euros are held in the summer and not the winter.
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I ment at lower levels like ours not football at a higher level
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I ment at lower levels like ours not football at a higher level
My quoting was actually in reply to jacko, not you jimmy. I agree with what you suggested to be honest. Isn't that what the spl have tried to do in the last couple of seasons?
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Sorry warren I think so the scottish start first Saturday in August
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Its a shame that stadiums are half full this time of year, but they are and one way or another something should be done, as some clubs are budgeting for much higher attendances.
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Its a shame that stadiums are half full this time of year, but they are and one way or another something should be done, as some clubs are budgeting for much higher attendances.
sadly when money is tight something has to give
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If there was no football Boxing Day or NYD Christmas would be more unbearable than it is now.
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If there was no football Boxing Day or NYD Christmas would be more unbearable than it is now.
spot on.