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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: HalifaxWhacker on May 14, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
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http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/Breaking-news-Football-Conference-discussing.4082076.jp
Town offered a 10 point deduction and a place back in the league ;D
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This could change things.
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as a halifax fan, i dont think this has any chance of happening, but it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
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Must be some kid on duty at the Halifax courier today, he makes it sounds has the consortium just need to pay the administrators £50 and they will
reform and not start from scrath ???, and start off where they finished, so what was last week all about, stories like this is not fair to the Halifax fans who have suffered enough. Its simple pay the HMRC in full or they will close you down. The meeting of the conference is not been specially put on to discuss Halifax, it was a planned meeting to decide all matters including which Conference North clubs drop to the Conference South.
The second point the report failed to mention was that the Conference deadline for clubs to be out of administraion and be eligible to be included in the conference has already passed.
There is another example of creative journalism mentioned on the Barrow Forum, the headline was top players to leave !, when infact manager Dave Bayliss said some players will be leaving and some new players arriving.
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Funny how the site has gone down and no mention of this anywhere else.
Are you sure you aren't halifax hacker?
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But have we been told OFFICIALLY we are in the BSP next season. Seems to me there's plenty of confirmations of Fax's ubnfortunate demise, but nothing saying we are definately in. Until I hear that, even unfounded rumours like this are worrying,
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I think that is what the meeting will do today.
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http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/Breaking-news-Football-Conference-discussing.4082076.jp
Town offered a 10 point deduction and a place back in the league ;D
HA HA HA
Even better!! Get back in the Blue Square North where you should have been years ago!!
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HA HA HA
Even better!! Get back in the Blue Square North where you should have been years ago!!
even if we were in the BSN (which is where we were 4 years ago.......
we'd still be more famous than you
Never fear though....there is no way the conference would alow a club to come out of administration by allowing the club to be liquiditaed and then recycling the name and the lease on the ground (which isn't owned by the club/administrator anyway).
If anything this'll see them in counties football.
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Breaking news: Football Conference discussing Halifax Town's future
The Football Conference is this morning (Wednesday) discussing the future of Halifax Town.
Because the club has not yet been liquidated following the failure of its administration proposals it technically still exists.
The consortium funding the club have approached the Conference with a view to reforming the club rather than starting from scratch.
Whether that is possible remains to be seen with football rules and legal hurdles to overcome.
If it is possible, the club could start next season in the Football Conference rather than dropping down the league pyramid, and would involve the consortium paying a sum of money to the administrators for the company's assets.
Mike Appleby, league manager for the FA, said he was aware of a submission to the Conference board which is meeting now.
"We will be clearer today as far as the Conference is concerned," he said.
If the consortium's plans can't be progressed and the businessmen decide they don't wish to run a club in a lower league an alternative application to form a new club by Halifax Town Supporters' Trust will come into play.
Mr Appleby said the 22 clubs playing next season in the Northern Premier League Premier Division (Unibond League) will be known later today.
It is unlikely that will be increased to 23 to accommodate a Halifax club but space does exist in the NPL First Division due to restructuring.
Next season the division will be increased from 18 teams to 20 teams and that is the likely place for a new Halifax team - provided games can be played at the Shay.
Mr Appleby said whichever of the two groups have access to the Shay will be in the driving seat and the consortium currently has access as the lease is with Halifax Town.
"If the trust could not have access to the Shay they would have to look at the North Counties East League but we are not in that position and no final decision will be made on Halifax yet," said Mr Appleby.
For a Halifax team to start next season all the problems will have to be sorted by the middle of next month.
Trust chairwoman Pam Burton has put her faith in the consortium.
"I would hope the consortium can do what they want to do," she said.
"My understanding is there will be a football team."
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So it's all up in the air then.
I assume from what that says that the consortium are saying they are still willing to do a deal with someone (including the league) if they are allowed to stay up but not if the Conf insist on relegation to the unibond.
Unless they pass the lease to the trust, a fans club would have to play elsewhere than the shay in the NE counties.
Is that correct?
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They are trying to blackmail the conference into letting them stay in the league. It will be interesting to see what will happen as a conference official insisted that the normal rules would be followed. Although I think we all know they will bend them as far as possible.
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Unless they make a definite decision now (i.e. if this drags on until the AGM), Halifax really are putting all their eggs in one basket - so if the prospective backers DO leave the fans in the lurch over there, there'll be no time to form a fans club next year, will there?
Is that what you meant by the 'blackmail' thing moousee?
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So they don't liqudate then...what about the debt?
There is no cva in place so what happens with that? Its still owed and someone will apply to wind them up surely?
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Fantastic. You are telling me that the conference will now say:
Ok guys, you blew 2 million quid staying in the BSP, but dont worry we deducted 10 points for that. What we can let you do is just start a new club, a clean slate if you like.
So basically any club can spend as much as they like, go into administration, and then reform as a new club at a cost of 10 points a season.
Now you can see it however you like, but i'm not sure even the conference are stupid enough to create this safety net for every overspending club in the land.
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Thsi is from Bubba on the Hailfax board. He seems a level headed guy and is on the supporters trust board...
"Halifax Town do not have a lease. They have a licence from SST which can not be transfered or sold. Whatever happens, HTAFC will be liquidated because nobody will be willing to pay over £2m of debt. When that happens everyone is on a level playing - especially as SST have given letters to both B&H and those backing a supporter-owned club showing their support for keeping a football club at The Shay, which is what the FA, and everyone else wants."
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Is that what you meant by the 'blackmail' thing moousee?
Yeah, if that happens, its the Conference who stand to look like the evil party, and this is the last thing that they would want.
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I suspect this is an attempt by the consortium to get the Halifax public to back them rather than a new club formed by the supporters and as such is pretty unedifying.
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Thsi is from Bubba on the Hailfax board. He seems a level headed guy and is on the supporters trust board...
"Halifax Town do not have a lease. They have a licence from SST which can not be transfered or sold. Whatever happens, HTAFC will be liquidated because nobody will be willing to pay over £2m of debt. When that happens everyone is on a level playing - especially as SST have given letters to both B&H and those backing a supporter-owned club showing their support for keeping a football club at The Shay, which is what the FA, and everyone else wants."
But what impact would this have on them 'reforming'?
Can the conference seriously be considering allowing this to happen?
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But what impact would this have on them 'reforming'?
Can the conference seriously be considering allowing this to happen?
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NO, If they were clever enough to have found a back Alley way of not paying the HMRC surely they would now be billionaires and be on a yacht somewhere more exoctic.
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I am confused What is happening ??? ???
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From the BBC:
Two groups fight to save Halifax
Stricken Halifax Town could be saved from liquidation by two separate groups, reports BBC Radio Leeds.
The original consortium are trying to reform Halifax, while the Supporters Trust are also now heavily involved.
Both parties are in contact with the FA and the Trust claim they have confirmation that Halifax will be in Unibond League 1 North next season.
The consortium are still paying the club's bills and have said more information will be available soon.
The Unibond's AGM next month is expected to rubber stamp Halifax's place in League 1 North.
The club, who went into administration during the season, were automatically relegated from the Blue Square Premier and the Blue Square North after creditors failed to accept a rescue package.
It was feared Halifax would go straight into liquation and disappear from football altogether but the consortium's continued financial support looks likely to keep the 97-year-old club alive.
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From the BBC:
Two groups fight to save Halifax
Stricken Halifax Town could be saved from liquidation by two separate groups, reports BBC Radio Leeds.
The original consortium are trying to reform Halifax, while the Supporters Trust are also now heavily involved.
Both parties are in contact with the FA and the Trust claim they have confirmation that Halifax will be in Unibond League 1 North next season.
The consortium are still paying the club's bills and have said more information will be available soon.
The Unibond's AGM next month is expected to rubber stamp Halifax's place in League 1 North.
The club, who went into administration during the season, were automatically relegated from the Blue Square Premier and the Blue Square North after creditors failed to accept a rescue package.
It was feared Halifax would go straight into liquation and disappear from football altogether but the consortium's continued financial support looks likely to keep the 97-year-old club alive.
I think this was prior to today.
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Well Im confused now! ???
According to the Sale and Alty Messenger and I quote Heathcote regarding three players leaving '........but now that we're in the Blue Square Premier'.
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From the BBC:
Two groups fight to save Halifax
Stricken Halifax Town could be saved from liquidation by two separate groups, reports BBC Radio Leeds.
The original consortium are trying to reform Halifax, while the Supporters Trust are also now heavily involved.
Both parties are in contact with the FA and the Trust claim they have confirmation that Halifax will be in Unibond League 1 North next season.
The consortium are still paying the club's bills and have said more information will be available soon.
The Unibond's AGM next month is expected to rubber stamp Halifax's place in League 1 North.
The club, who went into administration during the season, were automatically relegated from the Blue Square Premier and the Blue Square North after creditors failed to accept a rescue package.
It was feared Halifax would go straight into liquation and disappear from football altogether but the consortium's continued financial support looks likely to keep the 97-year-old club alive.
I think this was prior to today.
Is it not fact that they have been relegated from the Blue Square prem and Blue Square North because they did'nt strike up a deal in time though?
How can they be allowed to possibly formulate a new deal which see's them back in the conference when they didn't do it in time in the first place??
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Confused ? I am.
I suspect that the Halifax consortium are going back to the Conference and asking a simple question.........if we are able to salvage the club, can we stay in the BSP please ? I assume that to salvage the club, they will have to pay the 814k to the taxman and the pitiful 10p in the pound to the remaining creditors. The alternative is liquidation.
Maybe they might consider paying off the tax debt and 10% of the remaining debt if they see it as worthwhile ie if they can stay in the BSP.
They can also salvage the club by allowing it to be liquidated next week only to reform it as a new company. If this happens then they need to start in a lower league.
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Confused ? I am.
I suspect that the Halifax consortium are going back to the Conference and asking a simple question.........if we are able to salvage the club, can we stay in the BSP please ? I assume that to salvage the club, they will have to pay the 814k to the taxman and the pitiful 10p in the pound to the remaining creditors. The alternative is liquidation.
Maybe they might consider paying off the tax debt and 10% of the remaining debt if they see it as worthwhile ie if they can stay in the BSP.
They can also salvage the club by allowing it to be liquidated next week only to reform it as a new company. If this happens then they need to start in a lower league.
They cant do that now. Its all or nothing. The proposed CVA for 10p or 2.5p is dead in the water. They would have to pay off HMRC and then start the whole admin process all over again. Its simply not viable in the time frame. They will be wound up either way. What they are trying to do is start a new business with the clubs name and call it 'reforming'. Nothing short of scandalous!
I think this is all clutching at straws. They have no chance of being in BSP next year and dont deserve to, whether we do or not, they certainly dont.
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Wait, we are still in this season as of before the agm technically(If I am right). Any punishment issued on the club before the agm, is deducted off this seasons points total surely???
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They could do what the FA did to Leeds and dock points for the next season.
Meanwhile: http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/halifaxtown/Halifax-Town-Clockwatch-Wednesday-150pm.4056032.jp