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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: TheGolfRoadView on December 20, 2022, 11:10:03 PM
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It may just be me, but it seems to be the case that we have attracted a fair few scrotes this season, who at times are behaving like dickheads. Take tonights game, for the last 25 mins of the 1st half, there were a group of 6 lads who stood behind the goal at the Hale End, giving puerile abuse to the Curzon keeper. There was a steward about 20 yards away who did nothing about it and it needed a couple of people standing near them to try to get them to shut up. Regarding the stewarding tonight, most of them seemed to be in their late teens, early twenties and not really doing much. None of them seemed savvy enough to see that the group of Curzon fans did not move round in the 1st half, and think it would maybe be a good idea to have a couple of stewards stood in the Popular Side to keep an eye on things. If they had done that, maybe one of the Curzon flags wouldn't have been nicked. As I was leaving the ground, stewards were trying to get one of the scrotes to open his rucksack to see if the flag was in there, which made me wonder why the club even allows people to bring rucksacks into the ground, especially when they are barely searched, if at all.
In general this season, there have been a couple of games, Chesterfield in particular stands out, where a group of scrotes were goading some Chesterfield fans at the fences in the Popular Side and chucking plastic bottles at them, with no response from the stewards. Outside the ground also there have been games where groups of lads have been hanging around at the corner of Golf Road, seemingly waiting to see if anything kicks off with away fans walking past them. I've not seen any trouble, but it is maybe something that the club needs to keep an eye on. It kicked off outside the away end v Halifax last season, so I presume there will be a police presence on Boxing Day, but also hopefully the stewards will be a bit more clued up as to what is going on at the ground generally. Rant over!
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The current security searches are a waste of time - we should either do them properly (my preferred option) - or not not at all. I had one of those wands vaguely waved in my direction - although for an actual change, someone actually scrutinised my e-ticket before letting me through the turnstiles.
My mate whos a Sheffield United fan says there seems to be an element of this creeping back in across all tbe grounds now - and there does seem to be one or two social media channels that actively glorify it.
How embarrassing is it for an announcement to be read over the tannoy repeatedly asking for these scrotes not to be scrotes? I guess they were probably just happy to be out on a school night, thankfully they probably don't even turn up on a Saturday afternoon.
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It was a bit silly maybe and then some, but then again, what about a certain Morecambe goalkeeper's mother? What about "half a pound of tupenny rice"? What about "Cantona and Giggs", or Julian and the lineswoman at Stevenage - or indeed any number of things that I have done? And indeed what about a snowball with a brick in it? Anyone can do things that they will later regret, especially when young. It is all too easy to say "throw the book at them", but wouldn't it be better to try and show them the Alty way of doing things and make them long term Alty supporters we can be proud of? I know I am a better person because of people I have come cross watching Alty (and yes that includes you, Phil Taylor :) ) Let's not give up before we've tried.
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It was a bit silly maybe and then some, but then again, what about a certain Morecambe goalkeeper's mother? What about "half a pound of tupenny rice"? What about "Cantona and Giggs", or Julian and the lineswoman at Stevenage - or indeed any number of things that I have done? And indeed what about a snowball with a brick in it? Anyone can do things that they will later regret, especially when young. It is all too easy to say "throw the book at them", but wouldn't it be better to try and show them the Alty way of doing things and make them long term Alty supporters we can be proud of? I know I am a better person because of people I have come cross watching Alty (and yes that includes you, Phil Taylor :) ) Let's not give up before we've tried.
Did you hear/witness the behaviour of the individual concerned?
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Is it a myth/dream or didn't we used to invade the pitch a lot after a win or even goal in the 90s?
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I personally don't recall that, the only pitch invasions I can remember are after the occasional good win in the FA Cup we had back then (those were the days!), or after the last home game of each season.
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Is it a myth/dream or didn't we used to invade the pitch a lot after a win or even goal in the 90s?
I distinctly recall a minor pitch invasion after a crucial late winner against Yeovil in 93-94 when Kingy returned as boss. Paul France header at the Chequers End. Nothing beyond Barnsley, Guiseley or end of season in recent times. At our level more likely to be a thing for big ex EFL away followings when playing at smaller grounds to show how massive they still are.
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we used to have them in the 70s
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I personally don't recall that, the only pitch invasions I can remember are after the occasional good win in the FA Cup we had back then (those were the days!), or after the last home game of each season.
I distinctly remember a pile-on with the players after a goal at Lancaster. Also after a match at Droylsden, as they didn't have a proper ground, we simply walked across the pitch from the far side at the end one night. I don't know if it was the "Farmer Dave" pitch night... Pitch invasions weren't that common though.
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Been on at Slough Town and maybe Farnborough probably more.
A lot when on at ML versus Kidderminster, the game we would never play them again :D
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There was a great little pitch invasion for our winner at Shaw Lane in 2018. What a week that was.
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Is it a myth/dream or didn't we used to invade the pitch a lot after a win or even goal in the 90s?
yes we did those were the days
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Most invaded away ground was Drill field.
I remember Alty pitch invasions there in 70s, 80s and 90s - that fateful Witton CSC final game - that all turned a bit lairy!!
Being on the pitch at Gravesend for first APL win - which was very joyous but mad! Being on the pitch at Moss Lane at the end of the following season was a great memory too.
Every FA cup win Moss Lane aqainst league opposition ever has probably culminated in final whistle pitch invasion too.
All of these characterised by passion and excitement, whereas the scrotes don't give a damn about the club from what I have observed.
They will come a cropper against a Wrexham or an Oldham though sure enough. I remember the 15 year old baby squadders giving it large against Huddersfield in 82 until they came running straight for the Golf Road end - a few hard lessons learned that day!
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BPA with the late late show. Plenty of dancing on the pitch, but was that really an invasion or just an incursion?
It was bloody great!
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BPA with the late late show. Plenty of dancing on the pitch, but was that really an invasion of just an incursion?
It was bloody great!
You might say it was a special operation, or that part of the pitch was temporarily annexed!!
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https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/alty-act-to-deal-with-unruly-element-at-recent-home-games
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https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/alty-act-to-deal-with-unruly-element-at-recent-home-games
good to see. i don't attend as many games these days and i must say the curzon game was a little bit spoiled for me by these clowns. I'm glad to read that action was taken against them later on.
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Good to hear
A balanced approach needed.
Have to say not always young people causing problems.... two complete clowns on the Popside Boxing day, both over 50 shouting uneccessary abuse at Fax players taking throw ins....embarrassing. Never seen them before so hopefully they wont be back until we play Chelsea in next years FA cup 4th round
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Miscreants
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ne'er do wells
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Feckless articles.
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Guttersnipes
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Lollygeggers
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I await the next lengthy statement post the pitch invasion 👀😂
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That pitch invasion was embarrassing, though symptomatic of some of our younger support, thinking they can do what they like,( not sure the new groundsman will be chuffed with all the knee slides), and also the, for the most part, pretty pathetic stewarding we have. There are alot of them, but very few are proactive in actually confronting supporter behaviour when needed.
Also outside the ground after the game, hanging around, were a group of about 20 Alty fans on the corner of Moss Lane/ Golf Road who were obviously waiting for any passing Wrexham fans to try to kick off with. Recognised a few of the faces, they usually only turn up when there is a decent away following. The police ended up having to disperse them, and there didn't appear to be any trouble. Another example though of some of the support we are attracting this season, but unfortunately it may be the case of the club not doing anything about them, until it does eventually kick off outside the ground after a match. No doubt they will be back for the league game v Wrexham, where hopefully there will be better stewarding and a bigger police presence than just the 4 officers there tonight. Add into the mix a group of Stockport fans in the Golf Road, causing one or two incidents, it was quite an eventful evening!
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The stewarding was all wrong tonight. When you have women having their drinks flasks taken off them at the turnstile but you let kids actually open the gate to get onto the pitch and do nothing about it as I witnessed tonight then something is amiss.
The stewards need to be using common sense and understand the nature of the football club and non league. I know it’s not that significant but something like having your thermos taken from you before the game could easily put you off coming again and as for the pitch invasion I understand you can’t stop everyone but the young kid that started it was the same one that jumped over the barrier when we scored the equaliser. There were stewards everywhere and if I could see it so could they. Then to not do a thing when kids began pouring onto the Pitch was ridiculous considering the amount of stewards we had there. Worse when you consider gates were being opened so they could get on more easily. What are they there for if they can’t even position themselves correctly at gates and other access points?
All a bit embarrassing frankly.
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Class tonight well done all, just like the good old days! ;D
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Who on earth was that truly embarrassing jackass who our stewards seemingly permitted to run in front of the Wrexham away contingent and taunt them after the game had concluded?
And why on earth was he not intercepted and forcibly escorted off the pitch by them far sooner?
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We pay for these stewards, the reports on here suggest they're not up to the job.
These things need sorting out before a lad gets a proper hiding from away fans not quite as pleasant as the residents of leafy WA15.
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Re the pitch invasion whilst it was way OTT for a Trophy last 32 tie, the fact it has completely triggered Wrexhams online fan base is amusing. They seem to have confused 150 giddy year 9 boys with 1500 home fans who mostly watched on bemused. For a fanbase who were desperate to get knocked out a lot of them seem very salty about losing to us.
Agree on the wider point the stewarding is woeful in terms of proactively preventing stuff like that from happening. The home league game against them stewards will need to take a firmer line. At least it’ll be quieter on Tuesday night as it’s a school night.
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Wrexham have a relatively small group of thoroughly unpleasant 'fans' who appeared to have no interest in the game whatsoever. Even the real fans behind the goal didn't seem to have much time for them.
It was potentially a dangerous situation last night. A small group of our own 'fans' (mainly children) were intent on goading them.
Needs sorting really before someone really gets hurt.
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Now I've got to admit I don't like teenagers and would be happy if no-one under the age of 21 was admitted to a game, but i'm just grumpy and ant-social, but maybe it would be a good idea to have someone at the club who is good with kids and teenagers who could engage with this bunch at games and get them on board. After all without a new wave of young fans coming through who is going to be around to moan about things on here in forty years time?
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Piss funny this 'pitch invasion', sent Wrexham fans into a meltdown and shown up our stewards for what they are.
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The club does need to put an end to these pitch invasions.
The way football is going, clubs will end up being penalised for these misdemeanours, with either fines or point deductions.
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The club does need to put an end to these pitch invasions.
The way football is going, clubs will end up being penalised for these misdemeanours, with either fines or point deductions.
I agree totally. Working with local schools to get the message across, firm but appropriate stewarding, and yes, making an example of a handful. Stadium bans, going through a proportionate legal process. You don't want them to be made anti-heroes, we need them to look bloody stupid in front of their mates.
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I also agree. It's not just us, as I have heard at incidents at smaller relatively local clubs, such as Widnes and Prescot Cables.
One club (possibly Prescot, but I may be wrong) have banned unaccompanied minors from attending. That seems much too extreme and punishes young people who have done nothing wrong; perhaps we need some sort of junior membership scheme to encourage them to feel a responsible part of the club?
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Make the Chequers end of the pop side adults only then kids can't get close enough for any one to take any notice of their attempts at provocation.
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Make the Chequers end of the pop side adults only then kids can't get close enough for any one to take any notice of their attempts at provocation.
Just put the junior ultras in the away end.....see how much abuse they dish out to the away fans......on the basis it is none - then fairly certain the NL away supporters are decent enough not to smack minors
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Apologies if this comes over a bit negative but the twonks to whom we refer have, I suggest, no interest in interaction with anyone.
They seem inclined only to attempt to aggravate opposition fans and having elicited a response to run away asap leaving innocent bystanders to their own devices when being confronted
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I suppose people might laugh at me, but these are Alty lads after all - probably all fart and no poo, as the phrase goes.
A tannoy announcement before the shootout warning not to enter the field of play upon the game's conclusion probably would have gone a long way on the night - although its always easier with the benefit of hindsight.
With regard to the general issues, there does seem to be an increase in this junior ultra culture, with plenty of social media accounts glamourising it.
Not a quick fix as we grow in popularity, for sure. Every fan base now seems to have them.
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Make the Chequers end of the pop side adults only then kids can't get close enough for any one to take any notice of their attempts at provocation.
Whilst I agree in principle thatnjustnputs them amongst families who stand on GRE for 90 minutes.
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One such social media account, Non League Terrace, now has a video posted from Wrexham's side of the fence.
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Just watched it, never seen that idiot who is goading the Wrecham fans before, but he looks about 32.
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Bloody hell thought something bad had gone with all the fuss on here :D :-X