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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Number23 on January 22, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
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Can't believe I'm the first to post in the match thread...
From main site : Cobirn and Piergianni back from injury, replacing Coates and the suspended Joseph.
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hi everyone
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BRING ON THE ALTY !!
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small crowd according to JL
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Wrexham one up. Mangan
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see bath have 3 ex exeter players
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South Notts signing in.. C'mon Alty!
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Hayes 1 up at Fleetwood !
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very quiet on here today, every1 must be at the match!!come on you ALTY
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sounds like Phillips is going to be a handfull today.
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Morning all. Come on Alty!
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Afternoon all.....just been engrossed by our lame duck leader announcing that he is not good enough to lead his party, but is somehow, inexplicably good enough to continue to lead our country.....I despair....sorry Politics
Come on Alty take me away from this into a world filled with points and positive emotion
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Hi all
Any commentary today?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_bristol
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Afternoon all, let's hope for all 3 points today.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_bristol
nice one , cheers
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these two dont sound to bad at all and we have quiet a good amount of the fans shouts
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phew we were unlucky there by the sound of it
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_bristol
nice one , cheers
Cheers for the link
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Big club up the road???
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dont want to curse us, but it sounds like weare all over them !!
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bollocks.the commentators were saying it looked dodgey for the free kick
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Feck. 0-1
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dont want to curse us, but it sounds like weare all over them !!
:-[
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i f**kin have,sorry folks!!
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refs lost it by the sound of things now
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Bollocks!
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from JL
35 controversial Bath goal by Phillips after clear dive by Jones wins a freeklick on edge which Bath take quickly; 0-1
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Come on We have got to get something from today.
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sounds like we are struggling now.Dammed ref has influanced the game
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Hopefully get things changed around a bit at HT and get back into it quickly. Can't afford for the game to drift away.
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Stockport 2-1 down at home to bottom club Lincoln.
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831 not bad i suppose
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think JL has given up ;D
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indeed.. at least the commentary is ok
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sounds like we are having a go at em now
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Come on!
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COME ON ALTY.....we can beat these
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we need to beat these,i dont like cheats
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JL back online..
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COME ON ALTY.....we can beat these
At this point I'd take a point from these!
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clee and denham for lawton and twist
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blast a pen now baynes set off
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Crap. Pen and Baynes sent off!
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saved by stu phew
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And the legend saves it!
Still up against it with 10 men.
Come on Alty!!!
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ENGLANDS number 1, now come on you red and white bastards
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71 Coburn saves Mohamed peanlty after Baynes sent off or trip; Smith alos booked. all cxame after ref allowed play on at a Bath foul
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Talk about doing it the hard way......
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with this sort of luck i cannot see us climbing out of the relagation zone
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Hush my mouth. It never rains, but it buckets down in a torrent of bad fortune....god save our Coburn
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with this sort of luck i cannot see us climbing out of the relagation zone
Im thinking of this as the opposite, is that penalty going to be a major turning point?
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lets hope so
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blast game over 0-2
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That is a real blow to our survival now.
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i agree
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Oh sh*t, I'm off to kick the cat
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Sadly so do I especially when others are picking up the odd point so far.
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That is a real blow to our survival now.
Its one match in the middle of Januray FFS
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Oh sh*t, I'm off to kick the cat
Actually make that dog, we don't have a cat.......very depressed
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ref never gave us a free kick again and they score
from JL
87 Phillips makes it 3-0 after Clee brought down and play continues
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Oh sh*t, I'm off to kick the cat
Ours has rather wisely just gone out.
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Bubble burst I haven't seen any passion today :(
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That is a real blow to our survival now.
Its one match in the middle of Januray FFS
If only it was, but its the 26th of a 46 game season and its not the first like this one.
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FT bye everyone
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As JL says. Bad day at the office.
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Bubble burst I haven't seen any passion today :(
Perhaps Bath were just better than us?
They looked a decent team when we played at their place. We were never going to win every game!
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Southport in the mix though, 0-5 at Wimbledon today although to be honest I'm not looking forward to going there.
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Late one for Mansfield v Histon. Some consolation.
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Most of the crap down the bottom with us lost today as well, so it's pretty much as you were.
It's the loss of another player and the knock of confidence from today, rather than the result, that we should be worried about. A win Tuesday and it's all looking alright again.
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Just got back from match. Nothing went our way today, the ref gave us f..all all afternoon. clear dive when James Smith played and got the ball for the first (and their lad dived over his leg on the follow through) but we then fell asleep for their quick free kick. Second goal their player clearly handled the through ball and ref missed that but pen decision was right after that, clear pen for us when densmore foul not given and we missed two very clear chances from Carl and Reeves near the end.
TBF Bath probably played some of the neatest football seen at ML all season and defo wont go down. Luckliy, all the other results went our way so really not as bad an outcome as it could have been and Baynes only out one match and with Clee playing I think we will be better.
As a few have said, just bad day at office but at least they showed the right attitude again and at least tried to play football 4.3.3, but passing wasn't good enough.
We will play worse and win. The real important game is now tuesday vs H & Y.
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Up untill their 1st goal, we played some great football - if we play like that then we should be fine.
First goal - great tackle, never a free kick!
Penalty (good save) - foul on our left wing whilst we were attack attacking, we got a small advantag ie. a rushed crossed - quickly switched and then a last ditch tackle.
Unfortunately - theirfirst goal gave them confidence to attack more
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
I agree compleley
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Cue accusations of Referee bias
Anyhow, For the first Bath goal Smithy dived in and ontacted neither ball nor player. However the 'careless nature' of the challenge (defender going to ground) made it a nailed on free kick. We then apparently switched off temporarily (I didn't see it tbh) and they scored.
Penalty was actually awarded by the Assistant on the popular side. Referee awarded foul but whether inside or outside was indicated by Assistant who had theoretically a better view. Was always gonna be a Red card once the fould had been given. Can't comment on the handball element as I was on the popular side terrace at the time. Oh and Smithy wants slaughtering for collecting a ridiculous caution by going back into the area as he did.
Our supposed penalty. There was a challenge in the area which may or may not have been a foul however the ball ran on to an Alty player with a clear shot at goal so Mr West played a decent advantage. We then missed this clear chance.
The third Bath goal. If the foul people are referring to was on the popular side touchline then Mr West was about three yards from it, much nearer than me so I can't comment on whetehr it was or not.
We need to remember that Bath have beaten some very good sides this season and also that we had sufficient fairly good chances to have won it had we taken them.
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
We were good enough for the first half hour before the first goal went in, that free kick decision (for the first goal) by the ref changed the match - Bath improved massively and we started to play worse.
Difficult to see it from the Golf Road end where I was but that decision was a kick in the nuts for us
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
We were good enough for the first half hour before the first goal went in, that free kick decision (for the first goal) by the ref changed the match - Bath improved massively and we started to play worse.
Difficult to see it from the Golf Road end where I was but that decision was a kick in the nuts for us
We were bloody awful
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I thought we played really well despite the score. For the first time in ages we actually passed, put some good moves together and created chances which should have been converted.
Whoever said we lacked passion... were you at the game??
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
We were good enough for the first half hour before the first goal went in, that free kick decision (for the first goal) by the ref changed the match - Bath improved massively and we started to play worse.
Difficult to see it from the Golf Road end where I was but that decision was a kick in the nuts for us
We were bloody awful
Wrong.
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Bath were a good footballing side with Kaid Mohammed causing problems all over the pitch. Baynes seemed to drift into the middle on far too many occasions and hence did not offer the opportunity for the outball in wide areas. On the few occasions when he stayed wide he caused the opposition a handful. Before they scored, the match had 0-0 written all over it but with copiuos amounts of influence by an inept ref, the 3-0 eventual result was flattering for Bath. Is there any way this particular ref can be awarded a life time ban from Moss Lane?
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What people have to remember is that before it hit the iceberg the titanic passengers enjoyed some excellent service and lovely weather so you can;t really blame the iceberg, the skipper rightly tried to port round the berg but he was nearer to the steering wheel than I was so obviously did it right and none of the passengers warned the crew of the danger and were asking for trouble.
refs are all sh*t so we're bound to get a few dodgy decisions in our favour soon to even it out.....
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Were we good enough - NO
Can we blame the referee - NO
End of.
We were good enough for the first half hour before the first goal went in, that free kick decision (for the first goal) by the ref changed the match - Bath improved massively and we started to play worse.
Difficult to see it from the Golf Road end where I was but that decision was a kick in the nuts for us
We were bloody awful
Wrong.
Yeah sorry we pissed it ran the game had loads of chances and won 3 nil errrr sorry no we didnt we were awful today if that was good were in deep trouble
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How many saves did we force bath to make today ? Any one hazard a guess ?
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How many saves did we force bath to make today ? Any one hazard a guess ?
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The ref was as useless. Much the same as we are in the final third without Denham and Clee.
Really can't see us creating much without the above two on the pitch.
On the plus side I thought Hewson played well, but would prefer him further up the pitch. Carl P. was impressive again
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We were good enough for the first half hour before the first goal went in, that free kick decision (for the first goal) by the ref changed the match - Bath improved massively and we started to play worse.
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Sounds like a similar story to the away fixture, when we were in control (and two nil up) then they were thrown a lifeline by us missing a sitter to go 3-0. They said thanks very much and went on to get 2 back an it could have been all 3 points. Pity in this this league that the law of averages never seem to balance and poor refereeing decisions rarely go in our favour.
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Cue accusations of Referee bias
Anyhow, For the first Bath goal Smithy dived in and ontacted neither ball nor player. However the 'careless nature' of the challenge (defender going to ground) made it a nailed on free kick. We then apparently switched off temporarily (I didn't see it tbh) and they scored.
Penalty was actually awarded by the Assistant on the popular side. Referee awarded foul but whether inside or outside was indicated by Assistant who had theoretically a better view. Was always gonna be a Red card once the fould had been given. Can't comment on the handball element as I was on the popular side terrace at the time. Oh and Smithy wants slaughtering for collecting a ridiculous caution by going back into the area as he did.
Our supposed penalty. There was a challenge in the area which may or may not have been a foul however the ball ran on to an Alty player with a clear shot at goal so Mr West played a decent advantage. We then missed this clear chance.
The third Bath goal. If the foul people are referring to was on the popular side touchline then Mr West was about three yards from it, much nearer than me so I can't comment on whetehr it was or not.
We need to remember that Bath have beaten some very good sides this season and also that we had sufficient fairly good chances to have won it had we taken them.
You obviously go to Moss Lane to watch and support the Referee and his two assistants and not the Robins. Everytime our fans criticise poor refereeing decisions you condone the officials decisions even when they are wrong (and they usually are). Our fans may see things with Red and White striped eyes but its strange thta at least ten of them see it differently to you at nearly every game.
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Apart from a few players, we were poor................and despite ATS 'justifying' every decision the ref made, the ref was equally poor (as this one always is).........time to move on and re-group for Tuesday
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I thought we were far from awful today against a very useful Bath side who were solid and attaccked at speed.
We simply didnt create enough in the final third. We passed and passed and passed but didnt get the ball forward quick enough or create enough chances.
Wes Baynes had his best game I thought up until he was sent off.
We were 1-0 down and and had just brought Denham and Clee on to really go for it when we go to ten men. It was hard enough against them with eleven.
No idea what the post about no passion meant...I thought we ran and ran all day. Who wasn't trying?
Credit to Bath, they were very good at what they did and better than us on the day.
As Ballers said, every game is a one off in this league.
Onwards to Hayes where we must improve going forward.
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Apart from a few players, we were poor................and despite ATS 'justifying' every decision the ref made, the ref was equally poor (as this one always is).........time to move on and re-group for Tuesday
I do agree with this we got nothing today
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"Referee Mr S.J. West was again on the end of home crowd booing, just as he had been in November at Moss Lane, when he awarded Luton's winning goal despite protests that it had been cleared off the line"
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Cue accusations of Referee bias
Anyhow, For the first Bath goal Smithy dived in and ontacted neither ball nor player. However the 'careless nature' of the challenge (defender going to ground) made it a nailed on free kick. We then apparently switched off temporarily (I didn't see it tbh) and they scored.
Penalty was actually awarded by the Assistant on the popular side. Referee awarded foul but whether inside or outside was indicated by Assistant who had theoretically a better view. Was always gonna be a Red card once the fould had been given. Can't comment on the handball element as I was on the popular side terrace at the time. Oh and Smithy wants slaughtering for collecting a ridiculous caution by going back into the area as he did.
Our supposed penalty. There was a challenge in the area which may or may not have been a foul however the ball ran on to an Alty player with a clear shot at goal so Mr West played a decent advantage. We then missed this clear chance.
The third Bath goal. If the foul people are referring to was on the popular side touchline then Mr West was about three yards from it, much nearer than me so I can't comment on whetehr it was or not.
We need to remember that Bath have beaten some very good sides this season and also that we had sufficient fairly good chances to have won it had we taken them.
You obviously go to Moss Lane to watch and support the Referee and his two assistants and not the Robins. Everytime our fans criticise poor refereeing decisions you condone the officials decisions even when they are wrong (and they usually are). Our fans may see things with Red and White striped eyes but its strange thta at least ten of them see it differently to you at nearly every game.
Actually you're incorrect on this occasion
I go to support Alty as I have for the past 43 years....difference being I sort of understand why certain decisions go the way they do - I'll try to explain decisions that go our way too and don't leave an eye at the turnstile. Some of the comments I hear are so one eyed as to be unbelievable.
I was always brought up to be honest and I will continue to be so.
I absolutely refuse to accept that we lost today because of a Referee or his assistants - as has been said elsewhere we had sufficient chances to have won 4-3 or even 5-3 but didn't take them - is that his fault as well?
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Also, if Referees at Conference level are as bad as is suggested on here, do you not think that were I intent only on watching the officials, I'd go to a different level of football?
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Bored of twiss starting he's getting worse if that's possible, depressing that we have are top scorer busy defending on the left all first half what's all that about? We had the chances but they had the ref end of
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Cue accusations of Referee bias
Anyhow, For the first Bath goal Smithy dived in and ontacted neither ball nor player. However the 'careless nature' of the challenge (defender going to ground) made it a nailed on free kick. We then apparently switched off temporarily (I didn't see it tbh) and they scored.
Penalty was actually awarded by the Assistant on the popular side. Referee awarded foul but whether inside or outside was indicated by Assistant who had theoretically a better view. Was always gonna be a Red card once the fould had been given. Can't comment on the handball element as I was on the popular side terrace at the time. Oh and Smithy wants slaughtering for collecting a ridiculous caution by going back into the area as he did.
Our supposed penalty. There was a challenge in the area which may or may not have been a foul however the ball ran on to an Alty player with a clear shot at goal so Mr West played a decent advantage. We then missed this clear chance.
The third Bath goal. If the foul people are referring to was on the popular side touchline then Mr West was about three yards from it, much nearer than me so I can't comment on whetehr it was or not.
We need to remember that Bath have beaten some very good sides this season and also that we had sufficient fairly good chances to have won it had we taken them.
in fairness to ATS, he is giving the theoretical side of incidents in an ideal world- it's just everybody, through rose tinted spectacles or otherwise, sees events differently, i.e how much contact was there for a foul, did it hit a hand or a chest, ect. The referee can only give it as he sees it
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Since the Bath player was 5 yards away when Smith went for the ball, I don't see that it can be classed as any sort of "challenge". The referee was apalling. That said, we wouldn't have won in any event since we didn't create enough clear cut opportunities. I thought the loss of Baynes was the final straw as he was having the best game I've seen from him. The only player I thought was substandard was Beesley who had one half decent shot from outside the box and contributed little else. And I was surprised when Twiss was withdrawn instead of him, since he put in a decent enough shift in my opinion.
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having read the posts that were posted after the game,being an excile,i rely on JL's match reports and any match commentary that is on.The first goal the 2 commentators were in the process of saying that Their own player had dived when they scored.They used terms like going down in stages and did not think it was a free kick to Bath and the Alty player could feel hard done by.JLs post confrimed it also.The second goal from the sound of things should have been an Alty free kick as should have been the third.The commentators did say that the diffenence between the two sides was Bath was more adventurous than Alty who though they had quite a few scoring chances were very predictable.Ref decisions do effect games,though i would never say a ref is bias towards any team.
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If their first goal hadn't happened, yes they may have scored the next attack, or we could have gone in at 0-0 at HT giving us chance to regroup and coming out 2nd looking to score first
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I thought that Bath were one of the most organised teams we have come up against for years, whilst it was close they gave us no space at all and the marking from their players was very good. I was pleased to see us pass the ball around as an attempt to find space but without creativity up front or in midfield we couldn't break through. Beesley was playing reasonably in midfield and i though hewson and lawton were solid. Thats the crux of the matter we are solid and will scap to the end of the game but we will not easily break down sides as well organised as bath. Time to move on.
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Cue accusations of Referee bias
Anyhow, For the first Bath goal Smithy dived in and ontacted neither ball nor player. However the 'careless nature' of the challenge (defender going to ground) made it a nailed on free kick. We then apparently switched off temporarily (I didn't see it tbh) and they scored.
Penalty was actually awarded by the Assistant on the popular side. Referee awarded foul but whether inside or outside was indicated by Assistant who had theoretically a better view. Was always gonna be a Red card once the fould had been given. Can't comment on the handball element as I was on the popular side terrace at the time. Oh and Smithy wants slaughtering for collecting a ridiculous caution by going back into the area as he did.
Our supposed penalty. There was a challenge in the area which may or may not have been a foul however the ball ran on to an Alty player with a clear shot at goal so Mr West played a decent advantage. We then missed this clear chance.
The third Bath goal. If the foul people are referring to was on the popular side touchline then Mr West was about three yards from it, much nearer than me so I can't comment on whetehr it was or not.
We need to remember that Bath have beaten some very good sides this season and also that we had sufficient fairly good chances to have won it had we taken them.
You obviously go to Moss Lane to watch and support the Referee and his two assistants and not the Robins. Everytime our fans criticise poor refereeing decisions you condone the officials decisions even when they are wrong (and they usually are). Our fans may see things with Red and White striped eyes but its strange thta at least ten of them see it differently to you at nearly every game.
Actually you're incorrect on this occasion
I go to support Alty as I have for the past 43 years....difference being I sort of understand why certain decisions go the way they do - I'll try to explain decisions that go our way too and don't leave an eye at the turnstile. Some of the comments I hear are so one eyed as to be unbelievable.
I was always brought up to be honest and I will continue to be so.
I absolutely refuse to accept that we lost today because of a Referee or his assistants - as has been said elsewhere we had sufficient chances to have won 4-3 or even 5-3 but didn't take them - is that his fault as well?
I think the problem might be that you've never (to my knowledge) made a post that said "Yep, the ref got that one wrong. Terrible decision."
Just as you are correct that it is pretty implausible that the referee is always at fault, it is equally implausible that they are never so.
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I thought that Bath were one of the most organised teams we have come up against for years, whilst it was close they gave us no space at all and the marking from their players was very good. I was pleased to see us pass the ball around as an attempt to find space but without creativity up front or in midfield we couldn't break through. Beesley was playing reasonably in midfield and i though hewson and lawton were solid. Thats the crux of the matter we are solid and will scap to the end of the game but we will not easily break down sides as well organised as bath. Time to move on.
Couldn't agree more with all of this.
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Just got back from match. Nothing went our way today, the ref gave us f..all all afternoon. clear dive when James Smith played and got the ball for the first (and their lad dived over his leg on the follow through) but we then fell asleep for their quick free kick. Second goal their player clearly handled the through ball and ref missed that but pen decision was right after that, clear pen for us when densmore foul not given and we missed two very clear chances from Carl and Reeves near the end.
TBF Bath probably played some of the neatest football seen at ML all season and defo wont go down. Luckliy, all the other results went our way so really not as bad an outcome as it could have been and Baynes only out one match and with Clee playing I think we will be better.
As it was a straight red, is not a 3 game ban, plus the Wrexham match, which he couldnt play in due to his loan agreement?
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Just got back from match. Nothing went our way today, the ref gave us f..all all afternoon. clear dive when James Smith played and got the ball for the first (and their lad dived over his leg on the follow through) but we then fell asleep for their quick free kick. Second goal their player clearly handled the through ball and ref missed that but pen decision was right after that, clear pen for us when densmore foul not given and we missed two very clear chances from Carl and Reeves near the end.
TBF Bath probably played some of the neatest football seen at ML all season and defo wont go down. Luckliy, all the other results went our way so really not as bad an outcome as it could have been and Baynes only out one match and with Clee playing I think we will be better.
As it was a straight red, is not a 3 game ban, plus the Wrexham match, which he couldnt play in due to his loan agreement?
No, proffesional fouls are usually only a one game ban, violent conduct or dangerous play is 3 games.
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Ok- thanks Foz