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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mick on November 11, 2007, 01:04:41 AM
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Considering all the negative reports I thought the behaviour of the Millwall fans should be mentioned..........no problems with the 300 ish that turned up today. Stood out in the wind and light drizzle and supported their team (although a little quiet.......but I can see why !).
Also; they stayed in position behind their goal and to their great credit in my opinion, totally ignored the 20 or so 'imposter' Altrincham supporters who from kick-off moved over into the corner to sing derogatory anti-Millwall songs.
These d**kheads did not even know a single Alty players' surname until 20 mins into the match (they were City fans). The Millwall supporters could have moved into the corner and given our stewards a hard time, but they could see these idiots were not genuine AFC and chose to blank them.
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Yes Millwall supporters made the police look stupid. Next time they come the town can welcome them properly. People now know the truth. As for the city supporters, Millwall just laugh at them. City are among the most cowardly so called hooligans i have ever met.
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My niece works in the offices at Tesco in Alty.The police told Tesco to shut as they had been informed that about 900 Millwall supporters were coming up not to watch the game but to fight with Alty,city and united supporters and to all meet at Tesco in Alty.Of course this did not happen,and again made the Policeaswell as Tesco look silly.Tesco were told by a boss higher up than the local branch they had to stay open.The police told Tesco if they did open and there was an icidend they would not send any officers.
Glad to hear the Millwall fans caused no problems,as i have said before i know one and he is old school fan,working class and proud of it.
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My niece works in the offices at Tesco in Alty.The police told Tesco to shut as they had been informed that about 900 Millwall supporters were coming up not to watch the game but to fight with Alty,city and united supporters and to all meet at Tesco in Alty.Of course this did not happen,and again made the Policeaswell as Tesco look silly.Tesco were told by a boss higher up than the local branch they had to stay open.The police told Tesco if they did open and there was an icidend they would not send any officers.
Glad to hear the Millwall fans caused no problems,as i have said before i know one and he is old school fan,working class and proud of it.
Sorry H but this is in fact not quite correct.
I was with the match commander all afternoon and a 'serial' was deployed to TESCO at one point because they had contacted the Police due to a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) Millwall fans who had travelled without tickets causing concerns although actually doing nothing. The group in question was moved on.
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Ok AltytunnelSteward,
i was told this by my sister(my nieces mother)last night,i put it up to try and clear up a few of the myths over Tesco doing it for free publicity.All what i was told was supposily to have happened during the week leading up to the game Not on match day itself.Though to be honest if there was an incident at Tesco i would have thought the Police would have had to attend.
Glad you could shed further light on it all,just go's to show how things can get twisted a bit lol
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I was reliability informed by my mums anties sisiters cousin four times removed that................ for gods sake.
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My niece works in the offices at Tesco in Alty.The police told Tesco to shut as they had been informed that about 900 Millwall supporters were coming up not to watch the game but to fight with Alty,city and united supporters and to all meet at Tesco in Alty.Of course this did not happen,and again made the Policeaswell as Tesco look silly.Tesco were told by a boss higher up than the local branch they had to stay open.The police told Tesco if they did open and there was an icidend they would not send any officers.
Glad to hear the Millwall fans caused no problems,as i have said before i know one and he is old school fan,working class and proud of it.
Sorry H but this is in fact not quite correct.
I was with the match commander all afternoon and a 'serial' was deployed to TESCO at one point because they had contacted the Police due to a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) Millwall fans who had travelled without tickets causing concerns although actually doing nothing. The group in question was moved on.
I wouldn't normally bother replying but I am still suffering from a good away day hangover and decided to bite. You really are mugging yourself off here mate do you honestly expect anyone to believe that 200 Millwall without tickets turned up at Tesco looking for trouble and stood around and then got moved on! Lets look at the facts.
If 200 strong Millwall hardcore traveled without tickets to kick off - they'd have kicked off
If 200 Millwall were rounded up by Old Bill they wouldn't have been moved on they'd either have been taken to the ground to join others there or escorted back to a station and put on trains or police escorted coach to outskirts of town and radio contact kept with coach till safely up the motor way.
we only sold poxy 300 odd tickets (Piss poor turn out but not surprising the way we've been playing) so no reason to go withourt tickets and lets be really silly here if there had been an off organised and it was a no show dont you think they'd have thought sod it we may as well go to the game now we are here and yet NONE of the SO CALLED 200 turned up.
Sure your a steward and not just another keyboard wanna be someone, also sorry to be the barer of bad news but Altrincham havent quite made the Millwall hit list ::)
Moving on as many smaller teams have found the hype is greater than the real thing and we aint so bad when we dont have a beef with you, but if you pull the lions tail expect to be biten.
AS for the two van loads of sh*tty that turned up seems their voices were the only thing they were prepared to used and they were treated with the destain they deserved and just laughed at and ignored.
Too bloody cold to sing and to be honest not much to sing about but a wins a win.
Good luck with the rest of your season fellas and remember dont believe everything you read sure a quick call to Tescos will reveal the most excitment they had yesterday was Betty from frozen food getting her fish battered.
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Alty Tunnel Steward...
you talk absolute crap sometimes...
200 'Millwall fans' (without tickets) turned up at tesco to cause trouble and they were 'moved on' ?? I haven't laughed as much as i did just now in ages... complete bollocks
the police wouldnt have 'moved them on... they would have escorted them out of town and if a congregation had turned up from as far away as Millwall they wouldnt have said 'yep, no problem officer, we were just about to get the train home right now !'
crap !
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No please read the post in its entirety.
A number of the reportedly 200 indicates that reports were received that 200 had travelled to Manchester without tickets, many of whom I believe were put straight back on the next train.
The number reportedly in the area of TESCO was in single figures
Thanks
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Jenga,
i put up that piece about Tesco,my niece is in the Personal dept there and this is what she told her mother who DID tell me.I thought it appropiate to post as there was a lot of talk about Boycotting Tesco and i thought this would shed some light onto the reasoning behind Tescos thinking.
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Me and three of my fellow 'hooligans' had a rather pleasant cup of tea and piece of cake in Tesco prior to kick off. Must say the staff are much more pleasant than the immigrants that work in my local Tesco in the Old Kent Road.
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Me and three of my fellow 'hooligans' had a rather pleasant cup of tea and piece of cake in Tesco prior to kick off. Must say the staff are much more pleasant than the immigrants that work in my local Tesco in the Old Kent Road.
Looks like the stewards story has changed now and its single figures in Tesco so come on own up was it you 4 that were asked to move on after your tea and cake cause they had other customers wanting your table ;D
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No crunchie,
The stewards story hasn't 'changed' I've just clarified it so that people can get a handle on what actually happened (or not as the case may be) You've won, good luck in the next round!!
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I was with the match commander all afternoon and a 'serial' was deployed to TESCO at one point because they had contacted the Police due to a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) Millwall fans who had travelled without tickets causing concerns although actually doing nothing. The group in question was moved on.
it quite clearly says a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) !!! Now you say single figures... So how do you go from reportedly 200 in total to maybe 10 ? You also said they 'were moved on' and after the fact several people have said what a load of rubbish they would have kicked off after coming so far you say they were put on a train ?
I stand by the fact you are talking cow dung :)
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You know what there is some sh*te posted on this forum at times but this takes the biscuit.
Millwall from what i saw were there for the footy match; i went out into Alty for the rest of the night and the only agression i saw was City and United fans singing to each other pissed up.
Good luck in the competition and the rest of the season.
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I was with the match commander all afternoon and a 'serial' was deployed to TESCO at one point because they had contacted the Police due to a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) Millwall fans who had travelled without tickets causing concerns although actually doing nothing. The group in question was moved on.
it quite clearly says a number of the (reportedly 200 in total) !!! Now you say single figures... So how do you go from reportedly 200 in total to maybe 10 ? You also said they 'were moved on' and after the fact several people have said what a load of rubbish they would have kicked off after coming so far you say they were put on a train ?
I stand by the fact you are talking cow dung :)
Blackpool Alty you clearly either cannot or do not wish to understand what I'm telling you, choosing instead to be 'amusing' at the expense of someone who gave up 2 days annual leave to work on the arrangements for the match TRYING to ensure that the game went off peacefully.
I'm not blowing my own trumpet saying that. Many of the Stewards and other VOLUNTEER staff also took time off work to help the Club plan for the match.
I'll try explaining again.
It was reported that up to 200 Millwall Fans had left London without Tickets.
The greater proportion were stopped at Piccadilly Station and put on trains back to London but a small number were not.
A number of people believed to be Millwall fans but, given the hype surrounding the match and generated by panic spreaders, probably local scrotes were reported to be causing concern in the vicinity of TESCO. Obviously they weren't. This number was probably in single figures.
Such was the level of sensitivity yesterday some Police were sent to TESCO.
I hope that this explains things in a way you understand
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This sounds like the police desparately trying to justify their over the top behaviour. Millwall supporters had two home games and nearly two weeks to buy tickets. They only sold to season ticket holders and members but this was a very low risk game and anyone who wanted a ticket would have been able to get one through friends/forums/pubs etc. If an extra 200 ticketless fans had got on a train at Euston the Metropolitan police would not have let it leave the station. Even if they had somehow managed to travel to Manchester intending to cause trouble they would not have simply got back on a train and returned to London just because someone in a uniform told them to. There would have been a riot. Manchester police got it completely wrong. The only problems were caused by the police as i said before.
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C'mon peeps, get a grip.
Alty Tunnel Steward, the other stewards and the other volunteers helped the club make an excellent impression to all who saw the game & the coverage either live, on radio or on TV.
ATS, the police and Tesco would have worked with the intelligence they got. Misguided or not (& I do suspect Tesco were a little OTT, but the people at Alty were as professional as ever) there ended up being no problems.
So lets not quibble about how many Millwall fans might or might not have been asked to leave Tesco, and lets be grateful a good time was had by all.
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yep... there we go again !
since when did i criticise yourself or any of the other stewards for the excellent job they did ? (i was responding to your report of the group of alledged hooligans at tesco !)
i merely questioned your first post, which is and was, crap !!!
if you had reported your last post first you wouldnt have had a questionable response, you decided to post the comment in the first place, i merely questioned the fact i , and others, thought your post was utter garbage.
It really is about time you got off your high horse and got rid of that chip on your shoulder !
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yep... there we go again !
since when did i criticise yourself or any of the other stewards for the excellent job they did ? (i was responding to your report of the group of alledged hooligans at tesco !)
i merely questioned your first post, which is and was, crap !!!
if you had reported your last post first you wouldnt have had a questionable response, you decided to post the comment in the first place, i merely questioned the fact i , and others, thought your post was utter garbage.
It really is about time you got off your high horse and got rid of that chip on your shoulder !
Not going to indulge you and your vendetta any further BA.
Suffice to say I've emailed my original post to a good number of my work colleagues all but 2 of whom have rung me say that THEY understood
Never mind. it's all over now so let's move on united in the support of Alty??
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yep... there we go again !
since when did i criticise yourself or any of the other stewards for the excellent job they did ? (i was responding to your report of the group of alledged hooligans at tesco !)
i merely questioned your first post, which is and was, crap !!!
if you had reported your last post first you wouldnt have had a questionable response, you decided to post the comment in the first place, i merely questioned the fact i , and others, thought your post was utter garbage.
It really is about time you got off your high horse and got rid of that chip on your shoulder !
Not going to indulge you and your vendetta any further BA.
Suffice to say I've emailed my original post to a good number of my work colleagues all but 2 of whom have rung me say that THEY understood
Never mind. it's all over now so let's move on united in the support of Alty??
ATS,
I don't carry personal vendetta's its not in my biology. I responded to your post, thats post and not you as a person. You could have been Uncle John from Jamaica and I still would have replied and said what I did, never did i bring up the job as volunteers yourself or any of the other stewards do or criticise that, so why that was brought about heaven knows ? My comment about having a chip on your shoulder is my own view regarding the response to my comments you made, doesn't mean I have a 'vendetta' against you, as i originally said i responded to a 'post' and not a person in saying it was rubbish. It's now apparant it was ! If someone said I drove a crap car or had a crap job i wouldn't think they had a 'vendetta' against me, hence i would presume the same applies to a 'post' on the forum ?
onwards and upwards with Alty now.
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Baldrick how did you form your opinion on City hooligans?
I am a city fan first and foremost and have also been attending Alty games since 1983 including Runcorn at Wembley it annoys me that certain members of this forum appear anti city!
I think the city fans who attended on saturday should be thanked for supporting Alty.
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There were a lot of City fans there on Saturday that came to support Alty. There was a lot of United fans there on Saturday that came to support Alty.
There was a group of both City and United fans there on Saturday who had no interest in Alty whatsoever. And they would tell you as much.
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All clubs have there idiot fans, do you agree?
I also overheard some so called Alty fans slagging of city fans in the ground as usual generalising all blues as the same.
I know lots of blues who have a soft spot for Alty but the anti city tone of a few on this forum leaves a bad taste!
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Brian I agree to a certain extent I also heard some anti City stuff and people trying to shout other's down, it was quite embarrassing and came across as terrace snobbery. There are loads of City/Alty fans in the area and bar the mob that was solely intent on trouble in the fist half then left in the second they were well behaved and should be welcomed to Moss Lane. Did anyone else think the crowd was more than 2400?
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Personally i dont mind city or united, its great to have as good a football heritage as we have in the north-west.
However, dont be suprised if we are anti-city/united. We are a different club, not some poor relation, Some people support Altrincham 1st and foremost and no other club. These people are likely to be anti-anyone who isn't alty. We have loads of united fans who support alty and united, they will be anti-city. We also have loads of city/alty supporters, no prizes for guessing they are anti-united.
Its not rocket science.
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Fair play Altrincham a bit of realism their as certain individuals made their anti city feelings far to well known.
Obviously the genuine Alty fans support their club first and foremost but when I am at Alty which is fairly regular I make no mention of being a city fan as I am there to support Alty and thats the end of it!
I don't need to use the cup game as an excuse to slag of the prawn sandwich munching rags!
There were many examples last week on here of so called Alty fans having a pop at City! at the end of the day Alty were excellent imo on saturday and if it wasn't for the dodgy ref and linesman who gave everything to Millwall, I reckon we would have won.
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Fair play Altrincham a bit of realism their as certain individuals made their anti city feelings far to well known.
Obviously the genuine Alty fans support their club first and foremost but when I am at Alty which is fairly regular I make no mention of being a city fan as I am there to support Alty and thats the end of it!
I don't need to use the cup game as an excuse to slag of the prawn sandwich munching rags!
There were many examples last week on here of so called Alty fans having a pop at City! at the end of the day Alty were excellent imo on saturday and if it wasn't for the dodgy ref and linesman who gave everything to Millwall, I reckon we would have won.
Fair play, I see where you're coming from, but remember a lot of Millwall fans came on here slating city last week. If it was all united slating you probably wouldnt notice. I think things were just different last week. We really need the city/united fans through the gates every week but we do have a habit of getting a bit self-righteous and then alienating the part-time supporters we need so badly.
Bizarre!
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Agreed Alty do need the part timers!
But Alty have and will always be my second team and I see a lot of parallels between the clubs i.e. we both get no decisions of the refs either home or away and we both have loyal supporters.
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True after watching match of the day we were really unlucky, the handball was clearly not intentional, good battling performance though that proberbly deserved a draw.
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We need all the City and United fans we can get. They are always welcome at Alty.
Any anti City/United feeling was probably aimed at the minority who had no interest in watching Alty at all mate.
It always happens at the big games.
I just felt like I had been waiting all year to get my birthday presents and then just as I sat down on the living room floor to open them someone in a long black coat barged past me, opened them, said they were sh*t and walked off. And he probably won't come to my house again until my birthday next year.
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Understood in an ideal world only Alty fans could get into the ground!
But alas that will never be the case.
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Oh I agree mate.
We don't have a wardrobe full of Alty fans to boost the crowd so they have to come from somewhere. I know a lot of people who watch City/United and Alty.
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With me its Alty then City,my father is Alty then United
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The only way to increase support on a long term basis is to be successful. Wigan for example.
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wigan? they can't even sell out the jjb for games against the top 4. most of the fans who go to watch wigan are actually rugby fans who get a discount on tickets because they are warriors season ticket holders.
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Considering all the negative reports I thought the behaviour of the Millwall fans should be mentioned..........no problems with the 300 ish that turned up today. Stood out in the wind and light drizzle and supported their team (although a little quiet.......but I can see why !).
Also; they stayed in position behind their goal and to their great credit in my opinion, totally ignored the 20 or so 'imposter' Altrincham supporters who from kick-off moved over into the corner to sing derogatory anti-Millwall songs.
These d**kheads did not even know a single Alty players' surname until 20 mins into the match (they were City fans). The Millwall supporters could have moved into the corner and given our stewards a hard time, but they could see these idiots were not genuine AFC and chose to blank them.
after reading all the replies about millwall lets get it right. if there was no trouble at leeds v millwall we might not have had all the trouble of the police closing down hale, alty, timperly and sale. the match day commander was as shocked as we where for his notion was to have the millwall fans in a couple of the larger pubs so he would know where they were. yes it was overkill and i think it spoilt an early atmosphere.
but the club went on the advice of local police and borough council.
i for one would welcome back the millwall fans for they were a credit to themselfs and their club and i wish them well in the next round. up the alty
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Yes but those people would not bother going to see Wigan if they were still a non league club. Success has brought a regular increased attendance of about 1000%
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point taken