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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on April 05, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
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Again
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Seven hours until the pitch is being used. Four hours until we need to set off. About 15 degrees outside. That pitch must be a lake - or this is a ridiculous state of affairs.
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The latter. League must surely take some action.
At the very least a change of venue.
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What makes it all the more annoying is that there is a clear issue with the pitch there that is not going to be resolved quickly with two teams having a backlog of fixtures to play there. They surely need to be looking at alternative venues now?
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It's not up to the League. It's Shaw Lane's responsibility to be in a position to stage the fixtures, it's why there are qualifying membership criteria. If they are unwilling or unable to make suitable alternative arrangements they forfeit the points, just like a Sunday League side.
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It's not up to the League. It's Shaw Lane's responsibility to be in a position to stage the fixtures, it's why there are qualifying membership criteria. If they are unwilling are unable to make suitable alternative arrangements they forfeit the points, just like a Sunday League side.
We'll take the three points then!
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It’s three postponements there now, couldn’t the game be played at moss lane this evening? Logistically challenging but is it not worth trying to find a differing venue for tonight, the league has already been bought into disrepute so just crack on at another ground
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Us getting a bye is not exactly fair on all the other teams that did have the misfortune to play there. I think all their results should get voided and they get relegated.
It wouldn't make any difference to the players because they would just move clubs but it would make the chairman think twice about wasting his money.
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Us getting a bye is not exactly fair on all the other teams that did have the misfortune to play there. I think all their results should get voided and they get relegated.
It wouldn't make any difference to the players because they would just move clubs but it would make the chairman think twice about wasting his money.
I certainly DON'T want them voided, given they beat Warrington 5-0 !
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What, theoretically, would happen if they got to 28th April and still had outstanding fixtures? Would they forfeit the games due to failing to fulfil them or would the league simply be forced to extend their season? There must be a procedure when something like this happens?
Perhaps, as some others have suggested, the home fixtures they have outstanding should be switched and played at the ground of the "visiting" team?
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What, theoretically, would happen if they got to 28th April and still had outstanding fixtures? Would they forfeit the games due to failing to fulfil them or would the league simply be forced to extend their season? There must be a procedure when something like this happens?
Perhaps, as some others have suggested, the home fixtures they have outstanding should be switched and played at the ground of the "visiting" team?
In my view it would be a simple failure to fulfil their fixtures. There are the alternatives available which we've suggested on here that other clubs have used in the past. So far, Shaw Lane are choosing not to use them. Why should the League extend the season? By default Shaw Lane gave them assurances their ground sharing arrangements were robust enough to enable them to complete the season.
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What, theoretically, would happen if they got to 28th April and still had outstanding fixtures? Would they forfeit the games due to failing to fulfil them or would the league simply be forced to extend their season? There must be a procedure when something like this happens?
Perhaps, as some others have suggested, the home fixtures they have outstanding should be switched and played at the ground of the "visiting" team?
In my view it would be a simple failure to fulfil their fixtures. There are the alternatives available which we've suggested on here that other clubs have used in the past. So far, Shaw Lane are choosing not to use them. Why should the League extend the season? By default Shaw Lane gave them assurances their ground sharing arrangements were robust enough to enable them to complete the season.
Yes, it is difficult to see it any other way, really.
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This certainly doesn't help our quest to win the league. We already have a big enough fixture back log. This year has been un presedented to be fair with whole league programmes being called off in the North. Most clubs at this level do not have the money to spend on pitch drainage, if you kicked them all out you would finnish up without a league. Even bigger clubs like Alty have had pitch problems caused by the rain this year. Don't know what the answer is really a winter break isn't really the answer as 75% of the league programme was postponed on Easter Monday. No solution is going to be fool proof
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Shame Burnley or Barnsley cannot step in and help out not just for tonight but the rest of the season, perhaps they could
Play on a Sunday
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In Finland, they are not standing for postponed matches. The home club is expected to make alternative arrangements or lose home advantage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-43653678 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-43653678)
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Shaw lane supporters are saying it was obviously as early as Monday that tonight’s game would not go ahead. If that is the case, why weren’t shaw lane or the league beating a path to Hyde United to get the game played somewhere with a pitch that would not fall foul of the weather and that is equidistant between the two clubs?
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I just did a bit of googling, I'm still not clear what happened with the points but Spennymoor united were unable to fulfill fixtures in 2004/5 in the evostick leagues.
"The 2004-05 campaign proved to be a disaster for the club and the league. Spennymoor hit severe financial difficulties, failing to fulfil their final nine fixtures and being deducted twelve points. The league committee caused turmoil by awarding the points to the opponents in the unfulfilled matches, leading to protests, appeals and a different end to the promotion and play off places.
Spennymoor United folded in the close season of 2005."
I guess if they cant fulfill all their fixtures the league either hands the win to the unfulfilled teams or voids all the games through the season.
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There was a very bitter court case surrounding that, or it was certainly threatened
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Failing to Fulfil a Fixture, General FA Rule 8.6 applies as the NPL did to Ilkeston a couple of seasons back:-
8.6 Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on
the appointed date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/
or such other disciplinary action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to
a maximum of three points from the offending Club’s record, any expenses incurred by their
opponents, and a fine.
In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board
may award points to the Club not at fault as if the match had been played and the League
table shall reflect the position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by
the Board.
In short, the NPL Board has the ability to deduct or award 3 points as it sees fit.
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REARRANGED THURS 19TH.
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REARRANGED THURS 19TH.
Buxton Shaw Lane and , Grantham in the space of five days
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I suggest doing buxton then walking to shaw lane via a Peak District tent based sleepover, 34 miles in two days
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Failing to Fulfil a Fixture, General FA Rule 8.6 applies as the NPL did to Ilkeston a couple of seasons back:-
8.6 Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on
the appointed date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/
or such other disciplinary action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to
a maximum of three points from the offending Club’s record, any expenses incurred by their
opponents, and a fine.
In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board
may award points to the Club not at fault as if the match had been played and the League
table shall reflect the position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by
the Board.
In short, the NPL Board has the ability to deduct or award 3 points as it sees fit.
"Without due cause" are the key words. Is the horrendous weather "due cause" ?
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Failing to Fulfil a Fixture, General FA Rule 8.6 applies as the NPL did to Ilkeston a couple of seasons back:-
8.6 Any Club without just cause failing to fulfil an engagement to play a Competition match on
the appointed date shall for each offence be liable to expulsion from the Competition and/
or such other disciplinary action the Board may determine, including the deduction of up to
a maximum of three points from the offending Club’s record, any expenses incurred by their
opponents, and a fine.
In the event of a Club being in breach of the previous paragraph of this Rule then the Board
may award points to the Club not at fault as if the match had been played and the League
table shall reflect the position as if the match had been played with the result awarded by
the Board.
In short, the NPL Board has the ability to deduct or award 3 points as it sees fit.
"Without due cause" are the key words. Is the horrendous weather "due cause" ?
With the plethora of available alternatives outlined above, no.
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Shaw lane supporters are saying it was obviously as early as Monday that tonight’s game would not go ahead. If that is the case, why weren’t shaw lane or the league beating a path to Hyde United to get the game played somewhere with a pitch that would not fall foul of the weather and that is equidistant between the two clubs?
I'm on the Derbyshire/Yorkshire border and the weather(until today) has been utterly foul. The snowfall on Monday was very heavy indeed and I gave the Shaw game no chance of going ahead. Having said that, I believe Buxton had 40 vo!unteers with pitchforks out so they could fulfil the Matlock fixture on the Tuesday. The pitch held up quite well and it was a pretty good game of football too. Maybe Shaw were unable to muster the volunteers to make the pitch playable this morning?
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When Halifax had problems with their pitch a few years ago then had to play their home games at a different ground. I think they played a couple of games at Droylsden. I think Shaw Lane are being stubborn like Leamington were a couple of years ago.
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Shaw lane supporters are saying it was obviously as early as Monday that tonight’s game would not go ahead. If that is the case, why weren’t shaw lane or the league beating a path to Hyde United to get the game played somewhere with a pitch that would not fall foul of the weather and that is equidistant between the two clubs?
I'm on the Derbyshire/Yorkshire border and the weather(until today) has been utterly foul. The snowfall on Monday was very heavy indeed and I gave the Shaw game no chance of going ahead. Having said that, I believe Buxton had 40 vo!unteers with pitchforks out so they could fulfil the Matlock fixture on the Tuesday. The pitch held up quite well and it was a pretty good game of football too. Maybe Shaw were unable to muster the volunteers to make the pitch playable this morning?
Shaw Lane would probably struggle for 4 volunteers, let alone 40.
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Sale Holmfield presents an intresting possibility from Finland not sure I agree wholeheartedly but if it were implemented it would be intresting to see what clubs do
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Thanks, AA. The other part of the deal, if you like, is that clubs in Finland, much as in Wales, are apparently encouraged to get artificial pitches so they can stage games, so, if they can't stage a game are seen as at fault.
Not sure I agree either.