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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mausoleum Alty on July 22, 2016, 10:51:28 PM
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Andrew Dawber needs to go out on loan to gain 1st team experience at a lower level and we need an experienced keeper in before the start of the season.
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Tim deasey free ?
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Tim deasey free ?
Rumoured to have joined Salford City
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Andrew Dawber needs to go out on loan to gain 1st team experience at a lower level and we need an experienced keeper in before the start of the season.
If we start the season with him in goal, we'll be bottom at the end of August.
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Deasey and Clee were the biggest surprises on the release list for me. We've been looking for a long term replacement for Stu for a few years without success until last season and then we found one and released him with only an inexperienced kid and no back up lined up - odd
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Having only seen the Chester game I am not enamoured by him at all. I mentioned to a couple of people I was not comfortable starting the season with a 19 year old as our first choice in net. He obviously has some decent attributes, but he hasn't dropped this far so quickly for no reason.
I was surprised that Deasy got released and I'm even more surprised we haven't at least spoken to him this pre-season.
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Andrew Dawber needs to go out on loan to gain 1st team experience at a lower level and we need an experienced keeper in before the start of the season.
If we start the season with him in goal, we'll be bottom at the end of August.
That's a bit far.
I'm not convinced either, but we've been absolutely spoilt with keepers over the last decade and I'm afraid this is a process that the majority of clubs go through every other season. I'm prepared to give the lad time and trust in Neil Young's decision to bring him in. If it doesn't work out then I'm sure we can find a keeper on loan fairly easily.
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No mention of Deasy haaving signed for Salford on their forum.Cant see him coming back here though.O'Hara at man u any good ?
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Deasy was my player of the season.............but wasn't there an issue with him carrying a long term injury and playing with painkillers
My belief is it is NY's strategy that we do not keep any player who we know (upfront) won't be available for every game...........especially those on good wages.....hence the release of Clee and Deasy. I think Dens would have gone as well if not under contract
Keeper last night made two howlers that could have given a goal away.......concerned as well, but trust in NY
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Andrew Dawber needs to go out on loan to gain 1st team experience at a lower level and we need an experienced keeper in before the start of the season.
If we start the season with him in goal, we'll be bottom at the end of August.
That's a bit far.
I'm not convinced either, but we've been absolutely spoilt with keepers over the last decade and I'm afraid this is a process that the majority of clubs go through every other season. I'm prepared to give the lad time and trust in Neil Young's decision to bring him in. If it doesn't work out then I'm sure we can find a keeper on loan fairly easily.
The moment when he practically tripped over the ball when dribbling it back into his area said it all for me. He punches far too many balls out....which suggests he's not confident of catching them safely. Most times when a ball came towards the box he could be heard shouting "clear it !" while rooted to his line. Whilst there area other areas that need some attention, Dawber is the one glaring flaw for me. I hope he proves me wrong, but.......
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There were quite a few occasions against both Trafford and Utd where he could quite easily have caught the ball but opted to punch it instead. This will put the defenders under needless pressure if it continues. I wouldn't go as far as saying that we'll be bottom by the end of August but the goalkeeping position definitely needs sorting rapidly!!
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Tim deasey free ?
Rumoured to have joined Salford City
Played 2nd half for Guiseley yesterday in a friendly
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Tim deasey free ?
Rumoured to have joined Salford City
Played 2nd half for Guiseley yesterday in a friendly
He's a decent keeper mate,you could do a lot worse.
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Keeper signed..........see main site
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Callum Preston from Crawley.
Welcome to Alty and good luck.
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Interesting article, apparently 10 clubs were interested in May:
http://www.crawleynews.co.uk/ex-birmingham-city-keeper-clubs-released-crawley/story-29252480-detail/story.html#ixzz48FUnziEr
Good luck Callum!
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Having read the article it seems Callum must've contacted numerous clubs after his release from Crawley and 10 clubs replied but obviously took their interest no further as he's now at Moss Lane. Seemed to play for Crawley last season when they were really struggling for a keeper but dropped back down to the bench whenever they found loan cover including a 17yr old who was preferred to him! Hopefully the handful of games he played in League 2 will prove to be valuable experience though and he proves to be a more complete keeper than Andrew Dawber is at this stage who seems to be a good shot stopper but struggles with crosses and commanding his box.
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I must admit I'd like an experienced keeper. You can win things with kids as long as there's an experienced spine. We've got Hannigan, Moult and Reeves.
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I must admit I'd like an experienced keeper. You can win things with kids as long as there's an experienced spine. We've got Hannigan, Moult and Reeves.
100% agreed
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I must admit I'd like an experienced keeper. You can win things with kids as long as there's an experienced spine. We've got Hannigan, Moult and Reeves.
Bang on mate!!
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I must admit I'd like an experienced keeper. You can win things with kids as long as there's an experienced spine. We've got Hannigan, Moult and Reeves.
And Goodall.
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Deasey and Clee were the biggest surprises on the release list for me. We've been looking for a long term replacement for Stu for a few years without success until last season and then we found one and released him with only an inexperienced kid and no back up lined up - odd
Both now signed for Guiseley.
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Deasey and Clee were the biggest surprises on the release list for me. We've been looking for a long term replacement for Stu for a few years without success until last season and then we found one and released him with only an inexperienced kid and no back up lined up - odd
Both now signed for Guiseley.
Lets hope Deasey doesn't get lobbed after a supposed injury back pass :o
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Deasey and Clee were the biggest surprises on the release list for me. We've been looking for a long term replacement for Stu for a few years without success until last season and then we found one and released him with only an inexperienced kid and no back up lined up - odd
Both now signed for Guiseley.
Gut feel is we've let a keeper go too early.
Is Drench still at Guiseley? Snap him up!
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
where is Chris senior these days ?
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
Both are better keepers that what we currently have.
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
You can say that Ian but, and I'm ok with Deasy going (I thought his form deteriorated after Xmas, albeit due to clearly carrying an injury or two) but if Dawber or Preston aren't up to it that's a big problem. We can carry a player or two, even the shaky left back we've got but not a keeper.
I've had quite enough to get over from last season thanks, if we miss out on promotion this season due to an inexperienced keeper costing us points early doors I don't think I'll be that blasé about it.
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
Both are better keepers that what we currently have.
You've not even seen one of them play yet!
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
Both are better keepers that what we currently have.
You've not even seen one of them play yet!
I'll guarantee you he's not as good as Stephen Drench.
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Having two young keepers vying for one position could yet prove to be a bit of a masterstroke. In fact, the same could be said for a number of positions (Cyrus and Heathcote at cb, Cain and Charlton at lb etc). In that regard, I think this manager knows exactly what he is doing.
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Drench is now at Halifax. Deasy at Guiseley, get over it ::)
Both are better keepers that what we currently have.
You've not even seen one of them play yet!
I'll guarantee you he's not as good as Stephen Drench.
My guess is the manager has made his decisions based on building a capable squad and balancing budgets - the more high earners in the squad : the smaller the squad or a significant amount of the remaining squad who are not up to it
If you then lose some high earners due to injury, where does that leave the team ? It leaves us with youth team players and George Bowerman on the bench when trying to compete in Conf National
We have more players this season and more options and I think more cover, but yes this has probably been achieved by giving two young keepers a chance (in addition to several outfield players) and it may be a masterstroke or NY may regret it. It has been said before that Deasy is injured and there are doubts about his ongoing availability
Time will tell
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As long as whichever of them plays doesn't make a howler like the one Aberdeen's keeper made in the 93rd minute in Slovenia last night to put his club out of the Europa League.....you can see it on the Sky Soccer app.
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How old was Stuart Coburn when we signed him?
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I'm not sure but he wasn't signed to play in the 1st team straight away and only made a handful of appearances as reserve keeper until several games into the following season when he took the gloves permanently from Andy Dibble.
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As long as whichever of them plays doesn't make a howler like the one Aberdeen's keeper made in the 93rd minute in Slovenia last night to put his club out of the Europa League.....you can see it on the Sky Soccer app.
It hit a very nasty bobble tbf,I've seen worse goalkeeping howlers.
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he wasn't signed to play in the 1st team straight away and only made a handful of appearances as reserve keeper until several games into the following season when he took the gloves permanently from Andy Dibble.
That's largely irrelevant as he was still proven to be (more than) good enough when his opportunity did come.
I'm not saying it doesn't represent a gamble of some degree bringing in relatively inexperienced keepers, but that criterion alone doesn't necessarily mean that they are automatically of an inferior standard.
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It's relevant because he'd been at the club a while and the management team knew he was good enough to trust in the 1st team,he'd also cut his teeth at a lower level. These 2 lads are very inexperienced and it just seems like a huge gamble. Hope it proves to be a gamble worth taking.
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It's relevant because he'd been at the club a while and the management team knew he was good enough to trust in the 1st team,he'd also cut his teeth at a lower level. These 2 lads are very inexperienced and it just seems like a huge gamble. Hope it proves to be a gamble worth taking.
Maybe NY feels he's seen enough of them already that he feels happy enough to go ahead with them at the moment? It's hard to say, but I can understand why people would see it as a gamble, even though it's currently unknown.
I do basically agree with your sentiment that we all hope it will be a successful decision to proceed in this way. I suppose there are always compromises to be made at a club like ours if we want to run with a larger squad than we've been used to in previous years? Whether or not the management have got it right at this stage only time will tell, but I hope they are given time to get things right as I do like Neil Young's philosophy regarding hard work and his apparent dedication to the task. His knowledge of the game and players at this level really come across in the interviews I've read to date and he seems to fit the club well.
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I agree with you about NY. I hope people don't get on his back if we don't make the play offs because it's a massive rebuilding job and it's going to take time.
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I've just got a massive Nick Stephens scar imprinted on my memory that's all...
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I've just got a massive Nick Stephens scar imprinted on my memory that's all...
Thanks for the reminder! :o
:)
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How old was Stuart Coburn when we signed him?
From an article I wrote for that 14th March 2015 souvenir issue of the Robins Review which honoured Stuart Coburn:
"After accumulating a total of 178 appearances for the Shawe View club, the then 21-year-old Stuart departed from Trafford in February 1998 in order to sign for the Robins."
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I've just got a massive Nick Stephens scar imprinted on my memory that's all...
Nick Stephens: three appearances for Alty, during which he conceded a total of 12 goals.
Possibly some sort of record.
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How old was Stuart Coburn when we signed him?
From an article I wrote for that 14th March 2015 souvenir issue of the Robins Review which honoured Stuart Coburn:
"After accumulating a total of 178 appearances for the Shawe View club, the then 21-year-old Stuart departed from Trafford in February 1998 in order to sign for the Robins."
Thanks Cult! :)
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Quote from Ballers.....
I've had quite enough to get over from last season thanks, if we miss out on promotion this season due to an inexperienced keeper costing us points early doors I don't think I'll be that blasé about it.
Keeper very poor tonight!!
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NY has already shown that he's STILL trying to work out his best XI. The first name on the team sheet at Harrogate simply has to be Preston. And if Reeves doesn't start I may go and have a one man rant at the bench.
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NY has already shown that he's STILL trying to work out his best XI. The first name on the team sheet at Harrogate simply has to be Preston. And if Reeves doesn't start I may go and have a one man rant at the bench.
And I'll be right behind you.
Unblievable to start an unseen, unproven 18 year old (no matter his rep) before the only genuine goal scorer we have.
Even though I'd have taken a draw at 7-45pm, that's a non-sense
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It beggars belief that yet another Alty manager has decided we're better off without Reeves. Particularly in the light of his comments about Reeves in the summer. Barmy.
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It beggars belief that yet another Alty manager has decided we're better off without Reeves. Particularly in the light of his comments about Reeves in the summer. Barmy.
I don't think he's decided we're better off without him. Certain games mean certain tactics will be used. The manager also voiced his displeasure at the amount of football we are thrown into straight away and that to reduce the injury effects this could cause he would use a certain amount of squad rotation at the beginning of the season.
Can we just give the manager the benefit of the doubt for a bit? We haven't exactly started poorly, with 2 draws against two teams people expected to be there or there abouts at the end of the season. Maybe we should have one, maybe we were lucky not to lose. It's early doors.
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It beggars belief that yet another Alty manager has decided we're better off without Reeves. Particularly in the light of his comments about Reeves in the summer. Barmy.
I don't think he's decided we're better off without him. Certain games mean certain tactics will be used. The manager also voiced his displeasure at the amount of football we are thrown into straight away and that to reduce the injury effects this could cause he would use a certain amount of squad rotation at the beginning of the season.
Can we just give the manager the benefit of the doubt for a bit? We haven't exactly started poorly, with 2 draws against two teams people expected to be there or there abouts at the end of the season. Maybe we should have one, maybe we were lucky not to lose. It's early doors.
Reeves only played for an hour on Saturday. If anything I'd have thought he needed more game time for his fitness, not less. I make no judgement about Young overall but I just find it so frustrating that we seem to have found yet another manager who thinks it's a good idea on occasion to drop our best striker by far and one of the greatest goalscorers this club has ever had. Reeves should start every game, it's as simple as that.
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Reevesy needs good service to be effective and maybe NY could see at Halifax he wasnt going to get it, especially playing a more defensive formation.
He's probably saving him for the plastic pitch on saturday ;D
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Reevesy needs good service to be effective and maybe NY could see at Halifax he wasnt going to get it, especially playing a more defensive formation.
He's probably saving him for the plastic pitch on saturday ;D
or maybe the loan deal with Burnley says this young lad has to play?
That was the excuse used last season (for not bringing in loan players before it was to late)
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Will be interesting to see if AD keeps his place for the next game, based on his big mistake a few days ago. I know what I would do, does NY?
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Reevesy needs good service to be effective and maybe NY could see at Halifax he wasnt going to get it, especially playing a more defensive formation.
He's probably saving him for the plastic pitch on saturday ;D
or maybe the loan deal with Burnley says this young lad has to play?
That was the excuse used last season (for not bringing in loan players before it was to late)
If you read NY's interview he explains why he played Metz, wanted his pace to get in behind fax and break up their pressing game.
I expect Reevesy back saturday.
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Reevesy needs good service to be effective and maybe NY could see at Halifax he wasnt going to get it, especially playing a more defensive formation.
He's probably saving him for the plastic pitch on saturday ;D
or maybe the loan deal with Burnley says this young lad has to play?
That was the excuse used last season (for not bringing in loan players before it was to late)
If you read NY's interview he explains why he played Metz, wanted his pace to get in behind fax and break up their pressing game.
I expect Reevesy back saturday.
Well Metz managed to not get behind the defence at all. He didn't look quick in the slightest.
Reeves is a better and faster player than either of them. That's a fact. As for anyone suggesting he shouldn't play because the service might not be great, it's ridiculous. What message does that actually send, that we'll give up and play a lesser player. Reevesy's a big boy, I'm sure he realises there are some days service is good and service is bad.
It's crackers.
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Reevesy needs good service to be effective and maybe NY could see at Halifax he wasnt going to get it, especially playing a more defensive formation.
He's probably saving him for the plastic pitch on saturday ;D
or maybe the loan deal with Burnley says this young lad has to play?
That was the excuse used last season (for not bringing in loan players before it was to late)
If you read NY's interview he explains why he played Metz, wanted his pace to get in behind fax and break up their pressing game.
I expect Reevesy back saturday.
Well Metz managed to not get behind the defence at all. He didn't look quick in the slightest.
Reeves is a better and faster player than either of them. That's a fact. As for anyone suggesting he shouldn't play because the service might not be great, it's ridiculous. What message does that actually send, that we'll give up and play a lesser player. Reevesy's a big boy, I'm sure he realises there are some days service is good and service is bad.
It's crackers.
as always ballers a great post.. if he does not start Saturday I will be heading back into the bar
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Reeves' record speaks for itself. If he doesn't play due to the potential lack of service, surely that suggests the problem lies with the midfield not providing the right service, and not Reeves. Play to his strengths and he will score.
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The lack of width doesn't help
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Andrew Dawber needs to go out on loan to gain 1st team experience at a lower level and we need an experienced keeper in before the start of the season.
If we start the season with him in goal, we'll be bottom at the end of August.
If we lose today, Nuneaton win, and both Stalybridge and Worcester draw, my prediction will sadly come true two days early.
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Prediction update : even if we get ripped apart at Kidderminster, we should avoid rock bottom on Monday evening. Nuneaton could conceivably get a result at home to Telford, and Worcester might pick up a point at Stockport. But I don't see Stalybridge getting anything at Chorley.
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All these posts are irrelevant if Young stays as manager, please let's all focus on getting him removed.
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All these posts are irrelevant if Young stays as manager, please let's all focus on getting him removed.
Au contraire mon brave ! They will become irrelevant once he's gone. At the moment they add further fuel to the "Young Out" lobby.