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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jukes on March 29, 2007, 09:53:35 PM
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Surprised no one on here has jumped on this, Connett is pulling out of Vics and putting the club up for sale, thoughts are they will have to 'do a Telford' and reform in the Unibond League
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wow i been in power one day and already i have an impersonator kewl. didn't realise i was loved this much
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Imitation is the best form of flattery.
Or it could just be you logged in under a different name.....
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nah don't think you can do that.....
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ummmmmmmmmm can't get on confguide to check on the Vics situation, although a statement has been issued on the supporters trust website mentioning 'imminent changes'
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I feel sorry for the 500 odd Vics fans that came to Moss Lane on Boxing Day. Unfortunately with Connett's exceedingly dubious business track record combined with Vic's pisspoor gates this season then it was always a case of sooner rather than later as to when he lost interest. We already had the 'Do the people of this town.... etc etc' classic a couple of months back and while all at the moment is specualation and rumour it does not look good for our salt munching foes from down the A556.
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This was always on the cards, especially after Kidderminster thwarted Mister Connett's dream of swanning around the new Wembley Stadium at the FA Trophy Final.
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Now their trust forum has cracked and ceasing to work...I sense dark days ahead for Northwich.
I bet if it happens all the town are really sorry..although not sorry enough to actually go when they were needed.
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The fans who saw it coming i do feel sorry for, they dont deserve to go through all this, connett is scum, lowest of the low, hope he messes up one too many ventures and gets clipped.
For all the vics fans who came on here giving it the biggun about their stadium and bright future, with all of their blatant rural bravado:
HA! WE ALL TOLD YOU!
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No news on the forum etc but this is from the witton site
The story as I have heard third hand is very similar to Robbo's information, at this stage they appear to be strong rumours and not confirmed facts.
Allegedly MC has said he is not prepared to fund the losses beyond the end of this season and has therefore put the players/management/staff on notice that they should look for new employment from the end of April. He is looking to sell the team/name etc which is separate to the other activities on the site (which I am told he still plans to develop), I believe this to be the NVFC 2004 company which is separate. I understand from third parties that he is wanting to sell the 'club' and at the same time will rent the ground to any new owner. The opinion would seem to be that he wants all the income and none of the risk, perhaps realising that the running costs/losses are unsustainable based upon gate receipts and commercial income from the football side.
As Robbo says this is all still alleged and supposed at the moment as there appears to be no formal communication of the facts, however many of the rumours have a common theme. I think many people have seen this coming for some time, preservation of the football club would appear to be low down the list of personal priorities.
Whilt there is a perverse enjoyment from the demise of any competition (be it in sport, business or other competitive area), I can't help feeling sorry for the hundreds of lifelong supporters of the club that have done nothing than show there support over decades - the present situation is not their doing. If the boot were on the other foot I am sure we would take plenty of stick and ridicule, however the reality is that this is the worst nightmare for any football fan. If this were Witton we would all be beside oursleves, worried about the outcome. No true supporter of a team deserves to be in that position (even if they do wear green and white). The reality is that very few football clubs die away, whatever the price and whatever the deal there will be a rescue package of sorts that will mean that NVFC continue in some shape or form.
From an etirely selfish perspective the troubles at NVFC play right into our hands. We have the opportunity to build our club, move up into a new division and prosper off the back of this. We have a sensibly ran football club with excellent relationships between the board/management/players and fans, we need to capitalise on this and take the opportunity to develop, starting Saturday!
Irrespective of the rivalry I wish the genuine fans of NVFC well for the difficult months/season ahead, however agree with others that our focus is WAFC and to become the areas number one team.
I am sure not everyone will agree with my post, but again thats what opinion is all about!
Sounds like it could be the end dont know if i feel sorry for them or not after the arrogance etc but then i suppose it was just a few knobs and there could be some nice people living down tthe salt mines.
The gazelle....... mellowing in his old age and thinking "Its ages since we had to finish with a jezzaesque flourish"
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I heard FC United are buying the ground and Vics are moving in with Witton at the new ground that will be built at Moss Farm *where Vics originally wanted to move to*
Again all justs rumours that I heard about 3 weeks ago from someone associated with Witton Albion.
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Why they didn't just share Witton's ground in the first place is beyond me. It could easily have been redeveloped if required and would have been a really good business decision. It's not like the capacity is a problem and I'm sure they could still have built a "Chiquitos" on the same site! ;D
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Hope all this doesn't mean the Marina project is on hold?
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I have to agree with my learned friend the teaser.
You have to feel sorry for the Vics fans who saw this coming but there is a certain satisfaction in the "we told you so" scenario.
Best of luck to Vics, I'd rather play them Boxing Day than Droylsden.
FCUM say they won't play permanently outside the connurbation of Manchester and while the VS would be a solution to their ground needs I think closer to manchester is where they'll look.
Wincham park is in the middle of land designated for housing so worth quite a bit..I heard the original plan was for them to sell up and move in to the VS giving Vics a regular income to subsidise the rest of the VS developement..however Witton seem dead against this.
The most likely outcome I'd say would be AFC Vics moving in with Witton and starting again or perhaps they'll be able to persuade their case to stay in the conference...I can't see anyone paying £400k for the right to lease a ground...maybe FCUM will rent there for a few years but they're better off in Bury I'd imagine?..it'd suit any developer to get rid of the football club and have carte blanche on the site.
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Its all very business like. All the talk is of the economies of ground sharing and land value. Just goes to show that once a club is owned as a business interest the voice of the club (i.e. the fans) is silenced and eventually forgotten about.
Its a shame for Vics, but in my eyes its a bigger shame for us. We've taken so much enjoyment from our 2 games this season, and its made the season that much more special and competative. If that goes it'll be a sad loss for any new supporters of the robins who may not get to experience a green slime derby for a fair few years!
On the business side i'd be delighted to see FCUM go to Northwich. They wont pick up many fans in that lacklustre town if vics didnt manage it, and they'd lose a fair few due to the distance. If they were to die out i'd be over the moon. It'd be like Northwich was a black hole of football! :D
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why am i absolutely gutted about this, is proved me right and that i'm far more intelligent than our salt mining foes but i'm still gutted, losing vics would be a major blow for us, one less local rival at our level. and freaking droylsden! i hate vics but i detest droylsden. vics i am sad about their demise, droylsden i would be just plain happy about!
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Have to say if the rumours are true I would be gutted.
Not because I love Northwich, but because I love the Derby games and lets face it rivalry is all what football is about. The ups and downs of match and banter are great.
I hope Northwich come out of this but finish 20th in the league. Another 4 easy points next season would be great.
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I really hate myself for saying this but the more i think about it the more i feel that something needs to be done to stop them dropping out, the real real vics fans must be absolutely fuming right now!
This really is a massive loss for alty if it goes ahead as rumoured. think about the money alone from the bumper boxing day crowd and we're already missing out.
What we need is one of the little vics scrotes to come on here and annoy us just to shake the sympathy out of me!
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What we need is one of the little vics scrotes to come on here and annoy us just to shake the sympathy out of me!
Yeah we need an inbred to come on and annoys us, that will get the juices flowing again in to that green and white pot.
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Pull yourselves together you lot.
There's a banner in the Golf Road which says "Hating Macc since 1903"
I've had similar feelings about Northwich since the 60's and "Felix Reilly's Northwich Victorious"
There's a few Vics fans who are reasonable, but the vast majority hate us with a passion (hence the large gate on Boxing Day when they all really thought they were going to do us over and they could gloat).
I wouldn't like them to go bust because that's terrible for any fan - even one from there - but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Besides starting again could be the best thing that could happen to them in the long run. Look at Telford.
Knowing their luck, they'll most likely come through it all ok and as soon as they're feeling more secure will get back to trying to take the rise out of us again.
So, to sum up it's good luck Vics in your quest to survive and comiserations to the 'real' fans (but not the sh*t-stirring ones), but really I'm much more concerned with the lads getting some more points on the board so we can be in this league next year.
Come on Alty
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Problem Vics fans had was they knew not to trust MC but he was the only person who would step in. Without him stepping in they would not have a club now so this has at least given them a little grace and allowed them to move to the VS.
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Another reinforcement of the need for a strong and independent Supporters Trust I think
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Problem Vics fans had was they knew not to trust MC but he was the only person who would step in. Without him stepping in they would not have a club now so this has at least given them a little grace and allowed them to move to the VS.
You're right Gary. The problems at Northwich go back way before Mike Connett even arrived - look at the whole charade with the ground move. Whatever the rivalry with Witton I cannot see the logic of building a brand new ground next to an existing, relatively modern ground. Why on earth they couldn't buy into Wincham Park and spend less money on refurbishing that, rather than build an expensive new stadium from scratch?
I doubt FCUM would move to Northwich, more likely they'll do something with Gigg Lane given Bury's current situation.
I'd also say that Northwich's plight has a financial bearing (several thousand pounds I guess) on our club so it's right we keep a close eye on what happens there.
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I'd also say that Northwich's plight has a financial bearing (several thousand pounds I guess) on our club
Do you mean the cost of losing the derby match with them?
Or do they owe us money? ???
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the derby, we got an extra 1300 fans in the ground for the derby thats 10000 if they were all standing, taking into account concessions and kids thats alot of money infact its more than the proffit the club made last year! huge ammounts in real terms
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I'd also say that Northwich's plight has a financial bearing (several thousand pounds I guess) on our club
Do you mean the cost of losing the derby match with them?
Or do they owe us money? ???
The derby games, increased gate receipts and reduced travelling costs.
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I see.
So you don't think Droylsden will bring 1300 to ML next season then!? ::)
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unfortuneately this happens as we are all aware a lot in the conference. just goes to prove the fa can keep piling millions in to the premier league but they don't care about the non league situation where clubs are scrapping for their lives
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unfortuneately this happens as we are all aware a lot in the conference. just goes to prove the fa can keep piling millions in to the premier league but they don't care about the non league situation where clubs are scrapping for their lives
To be honest, its just as much about spending too much as it is not earning enough. Northwich, in my opinion, mismanaged their ground move plans - which ultimately caused a lot of their current problems. We got into terrible financial trouble because we spent hundreds of thousands of pounds we never had. The fact we are now paying our way and making a profit shows it can be done properly.
The issue is living within your means and keeping to a budget, not just increasing your funds. If every Conference club was given a cheque for £250,000 the general problems would be exactly the same if you ask me.
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If every Conference club was given a cheque for £250,000 the general problems would be exactly the same if you ask me.
Yes but at least Myself and Mrs Saughall would be able to sit in the new seats on the middle of the Popular side, see the game more clearly by means of our new corner sited floodlights, be able to use decent toilets in the Golf Road corner, and have easy access to some chips from the new catering facility! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Poor buggers; i came on this forum and felt sorry for them when they sold there ground for profit and had next to nothing show 4 it. The same has happened again. That is what happens when all the people in charge of your club is interested in is dollar.
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Any news on what happened on friday with vics?
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There is a statement on their trust webiste saying that the club is not going into liquidation and that Mike Connett has given them some reassurances for the time being.
It's on www.nvfc.co.uk
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There is a statement on their trust webiste saying that the club is not going into liquidation and that Mike Connett has given them some reassurances for the time being.
It's on www.nvfc.co.uk
Thats something. Understandably the trust dont seem to have an abundance of faith where connetts concerned.
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shame to lose another game like boxing day next year assuming both teams say up
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shame to lose another game like boxing day next year assuming both teams say up
Aside from the result on Boxing Day this season (just awesome!), we need only look back a few seasons to when we played Droylsden at home on Boxing Day 2002 in front of 715 spectators. It's just not the same is it.