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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: JD on May 07, 2021, 06:43:11 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942
Their legal teams will be getting involved before you know it!
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Yup.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942
Their legal teams will be getting involved before you know it!
The NL should just relegate Dover so their argument is no longer valid. This would also level up the numbers in NLN and NLS. Job jobbed! 😉
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Yep, typical... they all knew relegation was on the cards for bottom two clubs all season so should not complain now... just because they are the crappest two this year does not mean they can now try to avoid the drop or alter the rules... should demote them two leagues not one for being so arsey about it all... take it like men - you're going down for being rubbish!
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I see from Grimsby's forum that a fair number of posters oppose the appeal. It does seem like desperate straw-clutching and I'm pretty sure we'll be playing Grimsby and Southend next season.
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I see from Grimsby's forum that a fair number of posters oppose the appeal. It does seem like desperate straw-clutching and I'm pretty sure we'll be playing Grimsby and Southend next season.
Absolutely.
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Is their argument really that a league can’t have promotion from it if no team gets relegated? If they win the argument then don’t the teams relegated from league one make exactly the same argument about league two cos these two didn’t go down. And so it goes on all the way up the pyramid. Sheffield United will be right behind it!
That and the fact a precedent was set last year in NLN and NLS where exactly this happened. It’s an embarrassment
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Is their argument really that a league can’t have promotion from it if no team gets relegated? If they win the argument then don’t the teams relegated from league one make exactly the same argument about league two cos these two didn’t go down. And so it goes on all the way up the pyramid. Sheffield United will be right behind it!
That and the fact a precedent was set last year in NLN and NLS where exactly this happened. It’s an embarrassment
I believe the phrase we use on here is "Tin pot!" LOL
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So now we know - League 2 is the European Super League in disguise 😂
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Is their argument really that a league can’t have promotion from it if no team gets relegated? If they win the argument then don’t the teams relegated from league one make exactly the same argument about league two cos these two didn’t go down. And so it goes on all the way up the pyramid. Sheffield United will be right behind it!
That and the fact a precedent was set last year in NLN and NLS where exactly this happened. It’s an embarrassment
Exactly, Sheffield United would be the ultimate winners, but this is desperate and embarrassing, and I have a feeling that the clubs at the other end of League Two won't agree!
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So, if they win their appeal I bet the team who wins the national league will have something to say about it, SBL
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Probably but given how long league teams tend to fester at this level or worse I understand their desperation
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Yep, typical... they all knew relegation was on the cards for bottom two clubs all season so should not complain now... just because they are the crappest two this year does not mean they can now try to avoid the drop or alter the rules... should demote them two leagues not one for being so arsey about it all... take it like men - you're going down for being rubbish!
I’d just love to see their faces if they were told they’re being relegated two divisions. That would be some picture. 😂 😂 😂
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Recall Boston being relegated/demoted two divisions from the 4th tier (EFL) to the 6th tier (2nd step of non-lge) in 2007 (maybe 2008) and this ultimately saved Alty from relegation from the Conference (step1 non lge)...
That was a strange period when we finished in relegation zone 3yrs running between 2006-2008 (i think) and we were saved from relegation by financial issues at other clubs like Halifax, Boston, Canvey Island, Scarborough, etc.
During that period we also had the 'James Robinson' issue of fielding an ineligible player (though at time harsh as unaware) that cost us 18pts but again we had a reprieve as one of three seasons listed above...
Agree that demotion two divisions for Grimsby & Southend would be funny but would also send strong message to EFL clubs (who all know rules at start of season) not to try to override/beat an agreed system that rewards via promotion & has relegation for failure...
Bottom line is over whole season Southend & Grimsby were the worst teams in their division & thus deserve (under the rules) to be relegated... they should stop moaning because they were crap and if they continue demote them two divisions as extra punishment! :)
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Recall Boston being relegated/demoted two divisions from the 4th tier (EFL) to the 6th tier (2nd step of non-lge) in 2007 (maybe 2008) and this ultimately saved Alty from relegation from the Conference (step1 non lge)...
That was a strange period when we finished in relegation zone 3yrs running between 2006-2008 (i think) and we were saved from relegation by financial issues at other clubs like Halifax, Boston, Canvey Island, Scarborough, etc.
During that period we also had the 'James Robinson' issue of fielding an ineligible player (though at time harsh as unaware) that cost us 18pts but again we had a reprieve as one of three seasons listed above...
Agree that demotion two divisions for Grimsby & Southend would be funny but would also send strong message to EFL clubs (who all know rules at start of season) not to try to override/beat an agreed system that rewards via promotion & has relegation for failure...
Bottom line is over whole season Southend & Grimsby were the worst teams in their division & thus deserve (under the rules) to be relegated... they should stop moaning because they were crap and if they continue demote them two divisions as extra punishment! :)
What I don’t get is Southend and Grimsby’s logic. The reason there is no relegation from the National League this season is because there is nowhere to get relegated to. The reason there is promotion out of the National League is because there IS a league to be promoted into. Am I missing something here?
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Recall Boston being relegated/demoted two divisions from the 4th tier (EFL) to the 6th tier (2nd step of non-lge) in 2007 (maybe 2008) and this ultimately saved Alty from relegation from the Conference (step1 non lge)...
That was a strange period when we finished in relegation zone 3yrs running between 2006-2008 (i think) and we were saved from relegation by financial issues at other clubs like Halifax, Boston, Canvey Island, Scarborough, etc.
During that period we also had the 'James Robinson' issue of fielding an ineligible player (though at time harsh as unaware) that cost us 18pts but again we had a reprieve as one of three seasons listed above...
Agree that demotion two divisions for Grimsby & Southend would be funny but would also send strong message to EFL clubs (who all know rules at start of season) not to try to override/beat an agreed system that rewards via promotion & has relegation for failure...
Bottom line is over whole season Southend & Grimsby were the worst teams in their division & thus deserve (under the rules) to be relegated... they should stop moaning because they were crap and if they continue demote them two divisions as extra punishment! :)
What I don’t get is Southend and Grimsby’s logic. The reason there is no relegation from the National League this season is because there is nowhere to get relegated to. The reason there is promotion out of the National League is because there IS a league to be promoted into. Am I missing something here?
yes you are . They are sore losers
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Recall Boston being relegated/demoted two divisions from the 4th tier (EFL) to the 6th tier (2nd step of non-lge) in 2007 (maybe 2008) and this ultimately saved Alty from relegation from the Conference (step1 non lge)...
That was a strange period when we finished in relegation zone 3yrs running between 2006-2008 (i think) and we were saved from relegation by financial issues at other clubs like Halifax, Boston, Canvey Island, Scarborough, etc.
During that period we also had the 'James Robinson' issue of fielding an ineligible player (though at time harsh as unaware) that cost us 18pts but again we had a reprieve as one of three seasons listed above...
Agree that demotion two divisions for Grimsby & Southend would be funny but would also send strong message to EFL clubs (who all know rules at start of season) not to try to override/beat an agreed system that rewards via promotion & has relegation for failure...
Bottom line is over whole season Southend & Grimsby were the worst teams in their division & thus deserve (under the rules) to be relegated... they should stop moaning because they were crap and if they continue demote them two divisions as extra punishment! :)
What I don’t get is Southend and Grimsby’s logic. The reason there is no relegation from the National League this season is because there is nowhere to get relegated to. The reason there is promotion out of the National League is because there IS a league to be promoted into. Am I missing something here?
yes you are . They are sore losers
in that case I'll send both parties some vasaline.
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Both teams are grasping for any straws to clutch to stop relegation... they are 'losers' in more ways than one but mainly for being worst teams in their Div and as such lost too many & finished bottom...
Now despite knowing the rules & EFL agreeing teams can go down whilst teams go up from NL (despite no NL relegation as all Divs below step1 non-lge being voided) they want to change the rules now as they are in bottom two... another reason for classification 'losers!'
They even now argue maybe two come up but four go down next season (none this) - see below comment from bbc article... if somehow this change happened to save them would they then argue again next season if in bottom four... again, what losers... man up & take relegation like a proper club would... rules are rules & both knew the score!
"You've either got to say 'no relegation from the EFL and, sorry, National League clubs can't come up' or maybe they can come up and four go down next year." - taken from below...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57022942
In short, both knew rules that EFL agreed with NL re ups/downs... you cannot change the rules just because they now effect you... bottom line is you're getting relegated because you were crap on the field just as you are now crap & embarrassing losers off the field!
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Recall Boston being relegated/demoted two divisions from the 4th tier (EFL) to the 6th tier (2nd step of non-lge) in 2007 (maybe 2008) and this ultimately saved Alty from relegation from the Conference (step1 non lge)...
That was a strange period when we finished in relegation zone 3yrs running between 2006-2008 (i think) and we were saved from relegation by financial issues at other clubs like Halifax, Boston, Canvey Island, Scarborough, etc.
During that period we also had the 'James Robinson' issue of fielding an ineligible player (though at time harsh as unaware) that cost us 18pts but again we had a reprieve as one of three seasons listed above...
Agree that demotion two divisions for Grimsby & Southend would be funny but would also send strong message to EFL clubs (who all know rules at start of season) not to try to override/beat an agreed system that rewards via promotion & has relegation for failure...
Bottom line is over whole season Southend & Grimsby were the worst teams in their division & thus deserve (under the rules) to be relegated... they should stop moaning because they were crap and if they continue demote them two divisions as extra punishment! :)
I seem to remember AFC Wimbledon got a three point deduction for the exact same thing. The reason given was laughable at best. And apparently an MP called Tony Blair backed their case. Politicians!
In any case, I'm afraid I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the north and south divisions, were voided again next season, the authorities seem bent on making our lives misery for some time to come. Hope I'm wrong...
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Looks like Grimsby Town have accepted their relegation fate and have released a club statement saying looking forward to competing in National League next season...
https://twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1393609608565039107?s=20
Just leaves Southend to accept their relegation...
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Looks like Grimsby Town have accepted their relegation fate and have released a club statement saying looking forward to competing in National League next season...
https://twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss/status/1393609608565039107?s=20
Just leaves Southend to accept their relegation...
perhaps we could all send them a copy of the Division Two table for 20/21 pointing out where they finished.