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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Dougals Dad on September 21, 2009, 11:13:58 AM
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Derby County boss Nigel Clough wants to sign Welsh right-back Ryan Shotton on loan from Stoke City.
Full story: Daily Mirror
Ryan Shotton (born 30 September 1988 in Fenton, Staffordshire) - maybe the thinking is that Shotton is in North Wales so someone called Shotton must be Welsh!
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Is Ryan half-Welsh and has therefore designated himself as Welsh?
If so he could expect a call-up soon. The Welsh team's players seem to have been retiring like it's going out of fashion over the last few years. Poor form really, they know it'll be a struggle to qualify so just don't bother representing their country. Personally I always had a lot of time for Speed and Gillespie. They played for small countries unlikely ever to qualify, but they never cried off, happy to turn up to dead rubbers in Azerbaijan and so forth.
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A case of Clough having seen Shotton play for us while managing Burton then.
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His reputation (deservedly) goes before him.
He'd be a shoe in for Wales.
If you can play for Ireland by having an Irish Wolfhound then you can play for Wales by having the name of a Welsh Town in your name. Dave Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch played 7 times for Wales in the 1950s
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His reputation (deservedly) goes before him.
He'd be a shoe in for Wales.
If you can play for Ireland by having an Irish Wolfhound then you can play for Wales by having the name of a Welsh Town in your name. Dave Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch played 7 times for Wales in the 1950s
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How do you think of this stuff mate?
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Wales got a bit confused with Mike England in the 70's though - and how else would jamie Baguely have ended up in an Alty shirt.
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His reputation (deservedly) goes before him.
He'd be a shoe in for Wales.
If you can play for Ireland by having an Irish Wolfhound then you can play for Wales by having the name of a Welsh Town in your name. Dave Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch played 7 times for Wales in the 1950s
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How do you think of this stuff mate?
Put it this way: they don't let me out unaccompanied!
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under that theory Joe Jordon was lost and as for Alan Brazil,
Ryan is a welsh name like in Ryan Giggs so its obvious he is welsh
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under that theory Joe Jordon was lost and as for Alan Brazil,
Ryan is a welsh name like in Ryan Giggs so its obvious he is welsh
What do they call Brazil Nuts in Brazil?
Nuts!
(I'll get my coat!)
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under that theory Joe Jordon was lost and as for Alan Brazil,
Ryan is a welsh name like in Ryan Giggs so its obvious he is welsh
And what about Jason Scotland ? And of course the mighty Paul France !
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If you can play for Ireland by having an Irish Wolfhound then you can play for Wales by having the name of a Welsh Town in your name. Dave Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch played 7 times for Wales in the 1950s
The Pot calling the Kettle black!!!!!
How can any Englishman criticise any other nation for selecting foreign born players?
England have done it for years not just with their Football team but in all sports, and have included many players with no English heritage what so ever.
This issue blew up when Glasgow born Ray Houghton scored the winner for Ireland against England at Euro 88 - an English team that included Jamaican John Barnes who was only living in England as his father was working at the Jamaican Embassy in London.
I can think of at least 6 foreigners that have been England Cricket Captains.
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In fairness, Barnes had been in England for most of his life and all his professional career by the time he made his debut for England - as opposed to Ray Houghton who was born and raised in Scotland and then moved to England. But, yes, there are some players - Owen Hargreaves for one - who should never been eligible to play for England.
I would scrap the whole ancestry rule, full stop. It effectively promotes distinguishing people through ethnic origin, and it discourages countries from developing their own talent. I'd suggest that, for as long as you've lived in a country for, say, 10 years, you can play for it.
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I can think of at least 6 foreigners that have been England Cricket Captains.
At least indeed ....
The last two have been South African as were Allan Lamb and Tony Greig. We've also had an Indians (Nasser Hussain, Colin Cowdrey, Douglas Jardine), an Australian (Gubby Allen), a German (Donald Carr), an Italian (Ted Dexter), a Scot (Mike Denness) and at least two Welshmen (to bring us almost back to the theme of the post).
And it's not even a recent thing..... the second ever 'England' captain - Lord Harris, no less - was actually born in Trinidad.
Then there's the Rugby team (for whom it seems eating a roast dinner is enough to qualify)
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In fairness, Barnes had been in England for most of his life and all his professional career by the time he made his debut for England - as opposed to Ray Houghton who was born and raised in Scotland and then moved to England. But, yes, there are some players - Owen Hargreaves for one - who should never been eligible to play for England.
I would scrap the whole ancestry rule, full stop. It effectively promotes distinguishing people through ethnic origin, and it discourages countries from developing their own talent. I'd suggest that, for as long as you've lived in a country for, say, 10 years, you can play for it.
Eh? The lad has an English parent. It's his right to play for England.
I'm the first to criticise the muppets who choose Scotland because one grandparent hailed from Glasgow, but if your parent is from a country than that's your heritage and one of your nationalities.
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Bob - so in your books JTH and Rocky Robin are now English?
To deny people their ethnic identity is to deny them what they are.
When reminded that he was Irish the Duke of Wellington said "If I was born in a stable, would that make me a horse?"
I have no problem with sports people representing the land of their forfathers. I have an issue with countries that give foreigners a passort in order to represent them. A classic example is New Zealand who poach rugby players from all over the South Sea Islands, and still they are a poor second best to the Sprimgbok. English sports teams are not much less guilty as pointed out by Pompey Robin in regards to the cricket teams.
John Barnes certainly did not qualify for England under your '10 year rule' as he was a teenager when he came to reside temporay in England as his Dad was a in the Jamaican army and attached to the Jamaican embassy in London, and John played for England as a 20 year old. Ray Houghton does have Irish blood as his Dad is from Galway.
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Bob - so in your books JTH and Rocky Robin are now English?
To deny people their ethnic identity is to deny them what they are.
When reminded that he was Irish the Duke of Wellington said "If I was born in a stable, would that make me a horse?"
I have no problem with sports people representing the land of their forfathers. I have an issue with countries that give foreigners a passort in order to represent them. A classic example is New Zealand who poach rugby players from all over the South Sea Islands, and still they are a poor second best to the Sprimgbok. English sports teams are not much less guilty as pointed out by Pompey Robin in regards to the cricket teams.
John Barnes certainly did not qualify for England under your '10 year rule' as he was a teenager when he came to reside temporay in England as his Dad was a in the Jamaican army and attached to the Jamaican embassy in London, and John played for England as a 20 year old. Ray Houghton does have Irish blood as his Dad is from Galway.
Don't know who JTH and Rocky Robin are so cannot comment. And I am not denying anyone their ethnic identity at all.
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Oops! A light hearted observation has turned into a diplomatic incident!
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In fairness, Barnes had been in England for most of his life and all his professional career by the time he made his debut for England - as opposed to Ray Houghton who was born and raised in Scotland and then moved to England. But, yes, there are some players - Owen Hargreaves for one - who should never been eligible to play for England.
I would scrap the whole ancestry rule, full stop. It effectively promotes distinguishing people through ethnic origin, and it discourages countries from developing their own talent. I'd suggest that, for as long as you've lived in a country for, say, 10 years, you can play for it.
Eh? The lad has an English parent. It's his right to play for England.
I tend to agree but I also take the point that he'd hardly (if ever) set foot in England before he played for the England football team and somehow that does seem wrong.
Maybe the answer is to say that qualification has to be a combination of parentage (I disagree entirely with grandparentage) and residency.
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Two pages of argument later............
IS RYAN SHOTTON IN ANY PERCENTAGE BLOODY WELSH OR NOT ?
Frankly, I wouldn't care if he was 75% Afghan after what he did for this club. And those of us who saw Sam Sheridan's pretty impressive debut tonight will hope that he's THIS season's Ryan, regardles of where his grandparents came from.
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No he's not.
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Two pages of argument later............
IS RYAN SHOTTON IN ANY PERCENTAGE BLOODY WELSH OR NOT ?
Frankly, I wouldn't care if he was 75% Afghan after what he did for this club. And those of us who saw Sam Sheridan's pretty impressive debut tonight will hope that he's THIS season's Ryan, regardles of where his grandparents came from.
Aye the lad looked decent didn't he?
Tom Kearney is a terrific player. The pair of them did well last night.
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Whether Ryan Shotton has a drop of Welsh blood in him is neither here nor there, if there is the chance of a former 'player of the season' from this club, playing international football in the full Welsh (English or Outer-Mongolian) squad - which could happen, just proves what we we said about him being good enough to play at such a high level. Lets take pride in our part of making him the player he must be. Go for it Ryan, we know you can do it!!
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Two pages of argument later............
IS RYAN SHOTTON IN ANY PERCENTAGE BLOODY WELSH OR NOT ?
Frankly, I wouldn't care if he was 75% Afghan after what he did for this club. And those of us who saw Sam Sheridan's pretty impressive debut tonight will hope that he's THIS season's Ryan, regardles of where his grandparents came from.
Aye the lad looked decent didn't he?
Tom Kearney is a terrific player. The pair of them did well last night.
Can we afford to keep Shridan any longer? Did someone say he's cap'n of Bolton Reserves?