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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: wayno on January 01, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
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When there fans pay a quid to enter by the main stand and stand in the home end
Madness may as well change ends
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Been like that for about 50 years? What do you suggest we do about it?
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Stop away fans entering in the home end when you 10 police are present at a high risk fixture
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Stop away fans entering in the home end when you 10 police are present at a high risk fixture
Were they wearing colours?
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Yes they were wearing colours. I'm used to away fans from the stand using the toilets and the catering at the Golf Road end but today you had Chester fans standing in front of the CSH, all friendly OK people but that's not the point. You either segregate or you don't. And what was that with letting them stand in the sterile area just because it was raining? Did the risk get washed away in the rain?
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Stop away fans entering in the home end when you 10 police are present at a high risk fixture
Especially after last year against Chester! Lessons should've been learnt but obviously weren't!
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Yes they were wearing colours. I'm used to away fans from the stand using the toilets and the catering at the Golf Road end but today you had Chester fans standing in front of the CSH, all friendly OK people but that's not the point. You either segregate or you don't. And what was that with letting them stand in the sterile area just because it was raining? Did the risk get washed away in the rain?
Shouldn't have let people with colours through, something to look at for the future.
Surely though when you continuously criticise the stewarding you acknowledge that they have come a very long way in a very short space of time from handling 7 from Vauxhall Motors to 800 Chester fans. Macc fans and Grimsby fans all with a trouble element amongst them.
When the Alty fans had moved down to the Golf Road end and away from the fence then maybe the Police made the decision to let them go in there? I am sure I would have been asking why I couldn't stand under that roof when there was no home fans nearby.
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Stop away fans entering in the home end when you 10 police are present at a high risk fixture
Especially after last year against Chester! Lessons should've been learnt but obviously weren't!
Pete said there were about 30 police at the game including 6 outside the Golf Rd turnstiles, bit unfair to say lessons were not learnt.
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Stop away fans entering in the home end when you 10 police are present at a high risk fixture
Especially after last year against Chester! Lessons should've been learnt but obviously weren't!
Pete said there were about 30 police at the game including 6 outside the Golf Rd turnstiles, bit unfair to say lessons were not learnt.
Fair enough then mate,maybe lessons were learnt from last year but questions still need to be asked how so many Chester got in the home end especially with so many police present!
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The club have learned there lesson because of the police no problems and as for th being moved to the popular end lets be fair how many clubs supply uswith no shelter
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It was discussed on here at the time but I spoke to the chairman after Chester the first time round about the lack of police. He advised that the police had advised them they would not be needed but would be a "around the area" if needed. That turned out to be very poor judgement.
Now we have our own Police Liason Officer and are in the Conference it seems to be a totally different kettle of fish. The best things these "lads" can do is keep piling off the train leathered and being a nuisance around the town.
As has been said, fans stood outside the CSH in colours needs looking at but I am sure it will be.
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As said defore.
We were told that the Chester fans in the bar were from the stand.
That was not the case.
They did stand in front of the new CHC, but no problem
Yes they did have colours on as well.
What I don't understand is , why do they want to stand with the opposition supporters, and not their own!!!!!!
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There are some Alty Fans I wish I didn't have to stand with. Truly cringe worthy.
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The only turnstiles open early where the main stand ones for people to get into the bar to watch the early match on tv,
Do u expect the turnstile operator to ask away fans are you going in the bar?
When these turnstiles were first opened no stewards seemed to be on duty.
Always been the way with big games the seated areas never get segregated even though it has
been suggested and explained how it would work {They don't want to move the sponsors).
Basically there is no control over how many are let in the 2 stands yes the steward has a clicker but do they know
how many seats available less sponsors/season ticket holders seats? So the ones that had gone in the bar
returned to find the main stand full hence why they were outside the CSH.
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From what I heard at the game;
Police said the fence could not be moved due to H&S
It appeared to be police who decided and had final say on opening the section of the Pop Side for Chester fans.
Just what I heard, so not official.
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I'm bemused that are fans are segregated not near them and people are botherd about them having cover
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Chester fans who couldn't find a seat in the stand should have been escorted to the away end,as would have happened at any other ground. Regarding the letting of away fans stand under cover there's only so much hospitality that should be offered. The sign outside tells them the terracing isn't covered. We shouldn't be letting them stand somewhere they can make more noise or be more comfortable (yes I am that miserable).As it turned out by the end of the game it was already virtually empty anyway. Next time there's that big sterile area Altrincham fans should be asking to be allowed to stand there once it becomes apparent the away support doesn't look like causing trouble.
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Chester fans who couldn't find a seat in the stand should have been escorted to the away end,as would have happened at any other ground. Regarding the letting of away fans stand under cover there's only so much hospitality that should be offered. The sign outside tells them the terracing isn't covered. We shouldn't be letting them stand somewhere they can make more noise or be more comfortable (yes I am that miserable).As it turned out by the end of the game it was already virtually empty anyway. Next time there's that big sterile area Altrincham fans should be asking to be allowed to stand there once it becomes apparent the away support doesn't look like causing trouble.
Exactly. We've all been to places like southport and kettering and stood outside in the pissing rain and just dealt with it. No idea whose decision it was, but letting chester fans in to the sterile area when we've once again been forced to stand with a crap view in the middle section of the pop side is just a farce. One day the club might consider home supporters first.
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It's not a sterile area if fans, home or away, are let into it.
There is no way they should have been allowed there, simply because it was raining. It's December - you come prepared for the weather. Deal with it.
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It's not a sterile area if fans, home or away, are let into it.
There is no way they should have been allowed there, simply because it was raining. It's December - you come prepared for the weather. Deal with it.
To be fair we are a bit out of order to not give away supporters any cover (as are Southport, York, Exeter before you say anything)
Needs to be looked at
I'm with Jimmy bemused
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I can only assume that once the Police become involved, it becomes irrelevant who is at home or away. They will simply perform a risk assessment in any given situation and act accordingly. I agree that it stinks fencing off the popular side at the expense of home fans' enjoyment of the game. However the Police aren't interested in whether people have a decent view, their agenda is purely aimed at making their job as easy as possible. I feel a bit sorry for "the club" really, because they are trying to do things the right way and I'm sure the last thing they want is to ruin the matchday experience for our own fans. It's just a pity our away end is so weird, because if it was the full width of the pitch, we could just have a fence half way along there and be done with it.
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It's not a sterile area if fans, home or away, are let into it.
There is no way they should have been allowed there, simply because it was raining. It's December - you come prepared for the weather. Deal with it.
To be fair we are a bit out of order to not give away supporters any cover (as are Southport, York, Exeter before you say anything)
Needs to be looked at
I'm with Jimmy bemused
There is a sign outside the away end that clearly states that supporters are entering an uncovered terrace. Anyone going through those turnstiles has no right to moan like a baby when they get wet.
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Could always go for a grant for a roof for the away end?No idea how much a roof wold cost.
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Interesting view from the Chester forum regarding this http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=80711
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Interesting view from the Chester forum regarding this http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=80711
We should have never pulled down the chicken stand
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It's not a sterile area if fans, home or away, are let into it.
There is no way they should have been allowed there, simply because it was raining. It's December - you come prepared for the weather. Deal with it.
To be fair we are a bit out of order to not give away supporters any cover (as are Southport, York, Exeter before you say anything)
Needs to be looked at
I'm with Jimmy bemused
Pay a pound and get a covered seat. Just like we have to when going to other places. And also, we were forced to pay extra at Exeter and forced to sit there. Despite the fact it was beautiful sunshine and we all wanted the uncovered away end.
I'm bemused. If away fans can stand there then home fans can too.
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They decided to stand in the away end. It's well known we have an open away end. We went to Forest Green and we were forced to sit despite a large terrace marked away fans.
Chester didn't exactly give us what we wanted 2 seasons ago.
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Well it most certainly shouldn't be just left empty
Seems to me that we seem to be getting a bit of a bad reputation with the way we treat away fans - it's not good
Facilities at the chequers end are a disgrace - and we would be up in arms about it if we encountered similar elsewhere
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They decided to stand in the away end. It's well known we have an open away end. We went to Forest Green and we were forced to sit despite a large terrace marked away fans.
Chester didn't exactly give us what we wanted 2 seasons ago.
The stand was pretty full today as it was - do you think all of the 800 Chester fans would have got a seat?
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I'm bemused why we have to find fault with something all the time.
I'm guessing that first half when we were shooting to Chequers then most Alty fans stood near the fence. I'm sure Chester fans asked if they could go under the roof and were told no as that's a sterile area between supporters.
Then second half nearly all the fans moved down ( or the most vocal ones ) to the Golf Road end so there was no need for a sterile area so the police/stewards said you can go under the roof for this half as you won't be stood next to the home fans now.
Seems pretty sensible to me? Goes someway to saying "sorry we don't have an away roof, its just one of those things, we did tell you outside, however no reason why you cant go under it now as the home fans are in the other end"
If I was a Chester fan pissed wet through and was stopped from going under a roof for no good reason I'd be pretty annoyed and probably bore the steward/copper at the fence to death about it. To stop them for the sake of it smacks of the kind of thing an ex league club would do.
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I'm bemused why we have to find fault with something all the time.
I'm guessing that first half when we were shooting to Chequers then most Alty fans stood near the fence. I'm sure Chester fans asked if they could go under the roof and were told no as that's a sterile area between supporters.
Then second half nearly all the fans moved down ( or the most vocal ones ) to the Golf Road end so there was no need for a sterile area so the police/stewards said you can go under the roof for this half as you won't be stood next to the home fans now.
Seems pretty sensible to me? Goes someway to saying "sorry we don't have an away roof, its just one of those things, we did tell you outside, however no reason why you cant go under it now as the home fans are in the other end"
If I was a Chester fan pissed wet through and was stopped from going under a roof for no good reason I'd be pretty annoyed and probably bore the steward/copper at the fence to death about it. To stop them for the sake of it smacks of the kind of thing an ex league club would do.
Absolutely spot on
After 'previous' with Chester supporters the police were here today - it's funny how the troublemakers seem to pipe down and behave when a few coppers are about.
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Interesting view from the Chester forum regarding this http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=80711
I'm not in agreement for behaving unreasonably towards oppo fans for the sake of it, but having had to endure a number of petulant and, not to forget, violent thugs from Chester who made their presence felt in the Golf Road end last year, I see no reason for them crying foul because we dealt with them in the manner we did. Buffoons.
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It's a shame that our best performance in arguably in last few years has been overlooked because of this trivial nonsense like Sybil said away fans should have a covered area and the vast majority of grounds do
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As said defore.
We were told that the Chester fans in the bar were from the stand.
That was not the case.
They did stand in front of the new CHC, but no problem
Yes they did have colours on as well.
What I don't understand is , why do they want to stand with the opposition supporters, and not their own!!!!!!
Because they didnt want to get wet (they told us this as reason to pay extra and get option of cover and not get wet) as at first they only had uncovered area behind the goal at the away end.
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The stand is very rarely full, so you could argue that we are at least giving away fans a choice. Stand in the open or sit down under cover.
I think that elevates us above clubs like Halifax and Wrexham where there is no choice. They fleece us and tell us to sit down whilst having huge standing areas empty.
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The club seem to disregard the wishes of the home supporters, so why don't they just keep the Golf Rd end just for us lot and let the away fans have the chequers end and the whole of the popular side (or up to the scaffolding). We wouldn't want the poor loves in the away end from getting wet or not having the run of the place.
Sod the home fans.
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Two points occur to me. Firstly - of the current Conference National clubs I suspect only Southport and ourselves use an open terrace as the away fans' segregated area (I haven't been to all the away games this season so I'm not 100% certain of that, & I'm not counting those where there was - thank God - no segregation necessary). Secondly - if we were to propose putting a roof over the open end I rather think the people in the properties behind would have grounds for objection, unless it was a flat roof no higher than the existing terrace. I think we're in a cleft stick situation as regards provision for away fans - as far as Chester are concerned not only would they (or at least their literate fans) have seen and read the sign at the turnstiles but their own match programme stated last Friday in a feature on Moss Lane that "away fans are mostly housed in the open Hale End terrace", so they should have known what to expect. In an ideal world you'd like to offer covered areas to all, but this world ain't ideal.
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There wouldn't be half this moaning from them if they hadn't been walloped 4-1. The way around this situation (finance permitting) is to bolt seats onto the the first rows of chequers end and leave the upper rows as standing, as is the case at macclesfield, and add a corrugated plastic roof, for which I think we may already have planning permission that way they get a choice to sit or stand without encroaching on the whole stadium. The other option would be bolt Seats completely on the chequars end and not give them a choice what they are having and charge the seated premium. The sense of self entitlement from some of these chester fans is bewildering, it's a football match not a tea dance, if they had a bit of the stiff upperlip they might not have let their football club die. And had they not hospitalised two people last time they visited here they probably wouldnt have initially been treated so guardedly...
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http://www.fansfocus.com/articles/ground_grading.php
There is nothing I can see in the rules for us having to give cover for away fans when segregated. That's not to say we shouldn't be hospitable (and I agree with Sybil that the chequers end is in very poor condition) but if you start giving away part of the popular side just to be nice then the barriers and gantry as they are muck about the home fans which in itself is unfair.
Put as cheap and basic a roof as possible on the chequers end (which would still cost a lot of money)
Or put better barriers and gantry in place on the popular side and allow away fans in part of it (still would cost a chunk of money)
Or give half the popular side to away fans, coming in at the bottom end golf road turnstiles (need to provide catering and toilets which cost money)
If the money isn't there I would put the segregation at the chequers/popular side corner and make fans fully aware that it is uncovered
I'll keep saying it. If by being nice to away fans we are then treating our own support worse then our priorities are wrong.
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Agree with Ecky on this one. Also the Police were in attendance at the fence before the fans were allowed under the roof.
Additionally if WE were allowed in to the sterile area it is only sterile by a wall that can be climbed over. THEY moved in to the sterile area which was protected by a high fence that can not be climbed over. Appreciate you could go around it though.
I was however concerned by the obvious Chester fans in the home end who were no escorted around to the away end. However all of those i saw (maybe 15 of them) were elderly and of no issue. As a friendly club it was probably right to leave them in situ. Had they been 16 year old scoates i am sure the stewars or police would have had them moved.
Going forward though, i do think that we need to look at a roof for the Chequers end (do we have planning permission though?) and also include some proper segregation fences along the pop side, where we can pick and chose where the segregation starts and stops. Appreciate it is expensive but if we stay up, with this league the way it is, we should be doing something I feel. However Rome was not built in a day and it may be a few years down the line before we can afford such expense.
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Is the club missing a trick here? Could the club not be selling plastic ponchos for those caught out by the rain? Might be a nice little earner.
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Is the club missing a trick here? Could the club not be selling plastic ponchos for those caught out by the rain? Might be a nice little earner.
I agree, could sell umbrella's, foam hands and twirly things with coloured lights as well.
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Is the club missing a trick here? Could the club not be selling plastic ponchos for those caught out by the rain? Might be a nice little earner.
They sold these at Stockport!
I was in the main stand, not in my usual seats as a load of Chester fans were sat there, hence I had to go to the opposite end and have a slightly restricted view of the golf rd goal due to the pillar. I'd like to see some segregation in the main stand, it is sometimes annoying having to sit with the opposition - especially if they are winning.
The stand was busy, but there were plenty of "restricted view" seats near the community hall :P