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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on April 27, 2008, 09:36:24 AM
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Strong rumour at the match that Halifax have no chance of staying up.....
Don't start planning for BSN just yet....
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Problem is ecky, yet again it will be bloody june before we know and we will be delayed in our prep for an even more difficult season than this year in the bsp.
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First hurdle is May 7th...if Halifax's CVA is not agreed they will have to liquidate and reform.
We could know sooner this year.
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Dont get me wrong Mark i will be overjoyed if we stay up; but is any one else not getting bored of staying up through default.
I want us to compete on the field as well next season and show other teams what we are really capable of.
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I would take it don't like it though,but at least GH would have some money for players at last.
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Dont get me wrong Mark i will be overjoyed if we stay up; but is any one else not getting bored of staying up through default.
Yes, I don't think ANYONE wants us to stay up via default, but instead on the pitch. But I for one have no qualms on staying up by default. What we DO need to do is prepare to compete this year.
I've been very reserved about criticism leading up to yesterdays match, as the time for debate is now. I have to echo everyone else and say it's time to GH to go, and for a fresh start, with someone who instead of looking back looks forwards to what we could achieve, and sees us becoming a mid table side as opposed to battling till the last day. Yesterday I was absolutely disgusted when their second went in to see GH laughing and having a joke on the sidelines. If that were me I'd've been going mad with rage, as I'm sure most people on this forum would. GH is no longer the man for this job. The arguement of "what would someone else do better?" is flawed. All managers are different, and I believe we need that change to invigorate the club and the players.
I also think we need a complete squad rebuild. It's clear the old faithful just can't cut it anymore, this leagues at another level. Don't get me wrong, we need to hang on to the Seniors, Littles and Coburns of the squad, but players like Scott and Tinno just cannot compete. Again, a new manager with fresh thinking and ideas, and no emotional ties to players, would see this.
Finally, I think we need to start the transition to full-time. Now, don't all jump on my back; I don't want us to spend beyond our means and I know the clubs finance cannot support us going full time. However, the latter half of the season, we've had a LOT of full time loan players in, which has made the difference; Is it not feasible to put some players on full time contracts? For me this is the natural next step, and they only true way of us competing in a full time league without spending what we don't have.
And also, well done everyone on the forum. Considering what's just happened, everyone is being very calm and rational in discussion, which we all know doesn't happen very often ;)
Come on Alty!
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We are now financially solvent so why not take a chance and prepare for next season on the basis that Halifax are shafted and we will still be in the BSP. If we wait to June to prepare for next season and find we have been reprieved again, we will once again be 'relegated ' in 2009. Life is not without risks ,so come on Alty take some chances ,get the strongest possible squad and hope we get reprieved and then with a good squad assembled we can aim for a midtable position. GH has publicly said that the abysmal start to the season was primarily as a result of not being able to prepare for the division we were in due to the uncertainty.Let,s take a financial punt now: we can always tighten the belts again if needs be later.
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Check out front page of non league daily for more things to ponder...
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I'd suggest we - with the usual and competely correct financial prudence of the board - prepare for life in the BSP next season from NOW.
If Halifax don't go tits up then we have a good side with the possibility of doing well and possibly competing to come back up next season. If they do, then we're in a better position to compete at national level. And if anyone snapped up decides, upon hearing we are actually in the BSN, to jump ship then they were the wrong player for the club anyway.
And as someone else posted, despite the hurt, I'd much rather be us than Halifax.
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Don't like the phrase take a chance....unless we are talking building a BSP team on BSN money which is a contradiction in terms.
Budgetting for BSP and then getting BSN money is a recipe for disaster especially if we don't get promotion first time.
Massive rebuild is needed as I make it we've only got 4 or 5 players who are up for either BSN winning or BSP competing qualit.
I think we're gonna have to hold off until we know..if we're in BSN then we need to be looking at that type of player...if we are reprieved then we need to be looking at season loans and maybe a couple of contract players...they are totally different types of players for each league.
I'd hold off and do it properly last minute rather than do it early and get the formula totally wrong.
After allo, the cote always says he leaves it ot the last minute when all the mercenarys have been turned down and are prepared to take the sort of money we offer.
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I'd rather stay up by default than not at all. The board run the club wisely, it is not our fault if others don't.
Of course, it is the true fans of these clubs I feel for as the clubs are punished through no fault of theirs.
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Jezza who are you 4 or 5 players? I'd be looking to keep Little, Senior, O'neill, Young, Coburn, Peyton, Lane, Roca, Lawton and Battersby, although i havent seen Roca myself just going on reports. While i can see an argument that some of these aren't BSN quality i doubt we could attract enough better players to be able to replace them.
I'm hopeful that GH has learned to trust loan players more. For other players i'd favour those coming from a lower league, if older players are brought in the attitude is vital.
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Little, Senior,
O'neill, Young, Coburn, Peyton, Lane, Roca, Lawton and Battersby
OK 7 not 4 or 5 whoop that's 2 extra players...but not sure re young and peyton they are borderline on both counts of being a winning formula in BSN or competing in BSP so 7 is a strecth.
Battersby and Roca are completly unproven...I thought battersby had gone but could be wrong?
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As i said some of those players are debatable, roca and battersby are unproven, but didn't think they had done anything wrong yet.
Although some of the players may not be of a certain standard, but i'd expect them to stay because i can't see us signing 10 players who are better.
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but not sure re young and peyton they are borderline on both counts of being a winning formula in BSN or competing in BSP
You're not sure about Greg Young???? ::) ??? :o
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Yesterday I was absolutely disgusted when their second went in to see GH laughing and having a joke on the sidelines. If that were me I'd've been going mad with rage, as I'm sure most people on this forum would.
I think that's a bit unfair, GH would have been castigated if he had gone nuts at that by people. I was on the terrraces and furious, perhaps on this occasion it was better that GH tried to laugh off the referee's ineptness.
Really don't think that's a valid criticism.
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Yesterday I was absolutely disgusted when their second went in to see GH laughing and having a joke on the sidelines. If that were me I'd've been going mad with rage, as I'm sure most people on this forum would.
I think that's a bit unfair, GH would have been castigated if he had gone nuts at that by people. I was on the terrraces and furious, perhaps on this occasion it was better that GH tried to laugh off the referee's ineptness.
Really don't think that's a valid criticism.
Fair enough Ballers. When the goal went in and it cut to him laughing it just seemed completely out of order and out of place. You're probably right that it's better he kept his cool, but still feel he could have shown some emotion towards it. It seemed (although hopefully incorrectly) that he wasn't even bothered.
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Essentials to keep are little young lawton senior coburn and we need to try to keep peyton and lane but to be honest i think we should. I would say Shotton but I think its wishful thinking hoping that hes here next season. Best of luck to Shotton in the future I hope he can play regulary in the football league next season he deserves it.
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If he stays with Stoke then he'll be playing in the Premier League.
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If he stays with Stoke then he'll be playing in the Premier League.
Ah but if he says with Stoke then he won't be playing first team football, apparently their notorious for not giving youths chance in the first team.
Unless we pull of some sort of miracle by either signing him, or signing him on loan for another season (no idea if that's possible?) he'll probably move to a league club in the summer. Although I suppose it's all dependent on what he wants!
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Can't see Shotton being allowed to come back to us next year. If he's loaned out Stoke would want him at a higher level. If he's released by them he'd be able to command a higher wage than we could afford (or maybe than we'd spend!)
Either way, good luck Ryan. Class player.
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If the playing field was level, and all clubs operated on the same business ethics, teams who finished above us would not have survived.
Although I would have liked us to survive yesterday on points, I have no sympathy for the likes of Halifax, Crawley, Vics and Boston
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For the sake of the all the rest of the BSP, you go down, stay down and never return to a league, you clearly dont belong in, are not good enough to stay in and look for every excuse in the book to blame except yourselves......your a poor team always have been always will be and everone is sick of you staying in this league on default.
Results dont lie.......simple as, you aint good enough!
Truth hurts..........yeh well so does a smack in the mouth!
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That is the funniest thing I've read for..oooo since June 28th 2007...
"You shouldnt even be playing in this league, your a bunch of sub-standard also rans that no one gives a toss about, who are getting frustrated cos you havn't signed anybody and are losing the few players that you have got, and dont give us any crap about being a well run club.you once nearly went down the pan...
Truth hurts??? so does a smack in the mouth!"
Nearly 12 months on and the same smack in the mouth line!
This guy is a crawley fan. The irony!
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I remember this guy, whenever we play Creep he's on here Peaking everyone to death. To be fair to the lad, if I had to live in Crwley I'd be full of inner rage too, when a luggage handler at Gatwick Airport is all you can aspire to be then you don't have much in life. Still, Steve Evans, what a manager, he'll have them dashing towards the play offs in no time next season or my name is Jon Sotnick. An example to all Crawley in the last few years on the right way to run a football club.
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For the sake of the all the rest of the BSP, you go down, stay down and never return to a league, you clearly dont belong in, are not good enough to stay in and look for every excuse in the book to blame except yourselves......your a poor team always have been always will be and everone is sick of you staying in this league on default.
Results dont lie.......simple as, you aint good enough!
Truth hurts..........yeh well so does a smack in the mouth!
As opposed to having a half decent side that holds its own in a league but is costing way way more than the club can afford and so leads to administration, people who are owed money being totally shafted, and a mere ten points off the tally for the year. Lets see who holds the high ground, eh? Lets see which club is ridiculed throughout the land.
We're crap? Perhaps. We were in a mess once? Yep, but we kept our dignity and paid our way. I think anyone at Alty can look your lot in the eye.
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For the sake of the all the rest of the BSP, you go down, stay down and never return to a league, you clearly dont belong in, are not good enough to stay in and look for every excuse in the book to blame except yourselves......your a poor team always have been always will be and everone is sick of you staying in this league on default.
Results dont lie.......simple as, you aint good enough!
Truth hurts..........yeh well so does a smack in the mouth!
The only real truth in the whole affair is that the FA will decide who is worthy of the BSP at the AGM, not halfwits like you. Unfortunately for you that means you will have to remember your password so you can log back in to our forum around May 2009 to repeat this rather amusing diatribe.
Thanks for caring!
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I work with a half wit Crawley Fan who gloatingly after they beat 10 man Alty came out with the coment
"You will never beat the mighty Crawley"
He shut up when I reminded him that we had actually done that this season.
I am also baffled how Crawley can lose 4-0 at home to Halifax then beat Torquay away 4 days later.
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I am also baffled how Crawley can lose 4-0 at home to Halifax then beat Torquay away 4 days later.
In answer to the above quote.................maybe they just got paid their petrol money ?
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Check out front page of non league daily for more things to ponder...
Care to elaborate?
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For the sake of the all the rest of the BSP, you go down, stay down and never return to a league, you clearly dont belong in, are not good enough to stay in and look for every excuse in the book to blame except yourselves......your a poor team always have been always will be and everone is sick of you staying in this league on default.
Results dont lie.......simple as, you aint good enough!
Truth hurts..........yeh well so does a smack in the mouth!
Your lot paid the coach company yet?
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Also according to the NL Paper, "Under Appendix E of the conference Rulebook, the Shaymen must agree a deal to repay their creditors AND come out of administration before Saturday, May 10 or face being kicked out of the Conference set-up [into the UniBond]... However, creditors will not vote on the matter until May 7 and any deal must then be approved by the football authorities. To make matters even worse, the consortium bidding to take control at The Shay... will complete its takeover only once a CVA agreement has been reached. That will give the club just three days to reach an agreement, have it ratified and complete the takeover needed to exit administration - an extremely unlikely scenario. The issue was discussed at a Conference board meeting on Thursday and Halifax will be notified of the rules in writing this week. Conference General Manager Dennis Strudwick said, 'We're in discussions with the administrator at the moment and I can't compromise my position by commenting any further. All I will say is that the competition will apply its rules'".
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Pah! Who cares for rules!! I don't. Or you.
And you lot are still harping on about the rules being against you 30 years ago when the rules correctly denied you league status.
Very very hypocritical of you to demand Halifax play by the rules when you clearly didn't want to way back when and still moan about it now. That is why I am a President and you are non-league (relegated).
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Pah! Who cares for rules!! I don't. Or you.
And you lot are still harping on about the rules being against you 30 years ago when the rules correctly denied you league status.
Very very hypocritical of you to demand Halifax play by the rules when you clearly didn't want to way back when and still moan about it now. That is why I am a President and you are non-league (relegated).
A president by fraud - i will guess you know nothing about the affairs happening in Zimbabwe do you? Just like you know nothing about how we run our club and teams like accrington hold the truth back !
And dont come back with do I know about Zimbabwe because I can tell you now I know hell of a lot.
Any decent person, white or black, would not use the name Robert Mugabe !!! It just shows your ignorance.
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Alot of muppets coming on the forum, pity were not bothered.
We are not in debt and will have a team next season.