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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 22, 2023, 10:30:30 AM »
Quote from: cheshire cat on March 22, 2023, 08:55:25 AM
That's a bit of a curved ball. Highly unlikely I would have thought. There's some kind of development taking place on Homebase carpark at the moment which includes a new exit. Might be another takeaway or perhaps just electric charging points. If it's the latter they're in a strange place.

They are redeveloping half the Homebase and turning it into a Lidl. Incidentally Trafford rejected the first planning application and it only got through on appeal after amendments were made.

To be honest I'd be amazed if a football ground got planning permission for anywhere near there given the roads and traffic on a Saturday afternoon as it is...

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 17, 2023, 08:34:57 AM »
Quote from: Bath Alty on March 16, 2023, 10:42:05 PM
That’s c£1000 a seat for that stand. You’ve got to be able to better than that surely?

That's probably lower end at the moment. Stevenage paid about the same pound for pound for theirs. Wrexham's new stand is about £3k a seat but of course that will be higher end.

You need 5000 capacity for the EFL with the ability to have 2000 seats. Given the capacity for the Halifax game then if you made the popular side all seated it'd need to be at least 1700 to keep the total around 5000.

Minor detail, you need to factor in the rules re parking spaces and so you couldn't just build over the car park. The chequers end side of the popular side is very narrow also.

All in all a very big expenditure and not that much space to play with.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 16, 2023, 04:38:33 PM »
Quote from: swindellsworth on March 16, 2023, 03:59:40 PM
Quote from: HashtagAlty on March 16, 2023, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: swindellsworth on March 16, 2023, 02:46:17 PM
There's been nothing from the club so far to suggest anything other than a re-development of ML . I believe that to be their only option tbh. The 'new stadium' looks great doesn't it , however unless someone comes in and sprinkles gold dust it's one for the dreamers.  Agree entirely that the pop side , Golf Road and chequers all need an overhaul , new stands at the first two with the popside either part or fully seated with the Golf and Chequers staying terraced , with the latter extended near to the corner .  The main stand side is problematical isn't it with the club offices etc , CSH and the sponsers lounge . Good luck with that ! at least that side of the ground doesn't look an eyesore like the rest . More immedietely how about some more bloody toilets ffs.

No smoke without fire...
I know i keep on about this Hashtag , but for us seated fans it's no joke especially quite a number with mobility issues and there is room between the two stands for a facility

Room for toilets between the main stand and sponsors stand?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 15, 2023, 10:12:32 PM »
Quote from: Sarf London Alty on March 15, 2023, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: Toff Apple on March 14, 2023, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: MarpleAlty on March 13, 2023, 05:38:18 PM
Wasn't there talk of the pitch being flipped 90 degrees at one point?

On the face of it, makes sense - would give us room to have deeper stands running down each length of the pitch, and would probably just about miss the telecommunications mast - but it would go quite far into the allotment, and obviously they're under no obligation to sell.
yes this is my plan but requires a big euromillions win.  Some concern about buying up the allotments, the new houses make this difficult.
I suspect we would have to go out of town to build from scratch, how about just off the new M56 junction, plenty of space

Think this is a live debate for the club. To get Moss Lane up to the standard of increasingly most of the grounds in our league (not to mention the EFL) will require millions & a lot of building work. Hemmed in as we are by houses on 3 sides & an allotment on the other I can see planning permissions becoming an on-going issue so exploring if there is anywhere else feasible in the town is s sensible thing to do. You think of the sides local-ish to us be that Halifax, York, Chesterfield & the stands we get put in at their grounds & then what they get at ours. It’ll be hard but we can’t stand still with the ground.

Given all the links we've built with the town and community over the last few years, I fear that moving somewhere further out that you can only drive to could rip that all up. I honestly can't think of anywhere reasonably central without housing nearby that could accommodate a new stadium.

I reckon the space is there for a decent size all seated popular side nearer to the perimeter fence and with a steeper seat angle but you're talking a million or two just to build that.  Then you have the chequers end which is embarrassing for this level in my opinion.

Some very difficult decisions need to be made one way or another because as you say we can't go on with the ground remaining as it is.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 14, 2023, 09:47:45 AM »
Quote from: cheshire cat on March 13, 2023, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bob on March 13, 2023, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: cheshire cat on March 13, 2023, 05:34:14 PM
Perhaps the Chequers End could become the Home End. It's got a better gradient. Away fans could then have Golf Road.

How would the home fans get to the CSH and fanzone?

CSH is a problem. The fanzone has a low headcount limit anyway but would be accessible from the popside.

And if you have a nice seated stand replacing the pop side then anything beyond the chequers end is inaccessible.

As other posters have alluded to on this thread, we're in a very different world now to the days of 700 fans walking freely around the ground, many with a pint in hand. Bigger crowds, larger facilities and tight stewarding is the norm and we have to adapt as a club and indeed fanbase on this.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 13, 2023, 06:00:24 PM »
Quote from: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on March 13, 2023, 03:43:05 PM
Quote from: Saughall Robin on March 13, 2023, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: Bob on March 13, 2023, 03:06:23 PM
Quote from: Saughall Robin on March 13, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
New seated pop side would be fantastic as long as the third nearest the away end stays standing.
Also, decent leg room for the seats for us taller old crocks is absolutely essential.

Why the final third standing?

For the golf road singers when we're kicking that way!

I like the sentiment, but if we are going where we want to go I think at some point we will have to accept that walking round to different parts of the ground will become a thing of the past. It would make all the difference if the Golf Road end was completely rebuilt with steeper terracing, which would hugely improve the view of the pitch. I love the old girl, but the view from there is and always has been garbage.

Totally agree. If you want one third terracing next to two third seats in the same structure you've probably got a massive design issue in terms of sightlines and gradient. Then factor in how you get access to the terracing which means having to then raise the whole structure so people can walk along without blocking the seats in front. Which means you have less space behind for catering etc. New seated stands tend to be seated the whole length of the pitch for a reason..

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 13, 2023, 05:53:57 PM »
Quote from: cheshire cat on March 13, 2023, 05:34:14 PM
Perhaps the Chequers End could become the Home End. It's got a better gradient. Away fans could then have Golf Road.

How would the home fans get to the CSH and fanzone?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 13, 2023, 03:06:23 PM »
Quote from: Saughall Robin on March 13, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
New seated pop side would be fantastic as long as the third nearest the away end stays standing.
Also, decent leg room for the seats for us taller old crocks is absolutely essential.

Why the final third standing?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Moss Lane
« on: March 13, 2023, 10:44:21 AM »
This was written in the article about the new wall on Golf Road

"We are looking at a programme of further improvements for 2023 and beyond, recognising that we need to improve the ground and the facilities across the board. These works will be prioritised based on a number of criteria including spectator safety, EFL requirements, available funds and financial business cases."

Read into that what you will...

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Signing
« on: February 04, 2023, 11:02:34 AM »
Dinanga gone

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Can Someone Please Explain
« on: February 03, 2023, 04:54:22 PM »
I wouldn't be shocked if Chesterfield had a much bigger budget than Rochdale tbh

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Wrexham Match Thread
« on: February 02, 2023, 06:46:59 AM »
Quote from: swindellsworth on February 02, 2023, 04:59:19 AM
According to the club site re Saturday , Wrexham have sold out their allocation of 1,656 tickets which includes entry to some of the family stand , all of the chequers end  AND 60% OF THE POPULAR SIDE !  That's effectively almost half the ground , so with the club stating they expect a crowd in excess of the Guiseley game ( 4,600 plus) , their fans can move about at their leisure whilst we are packed in like sardines .  What the hell ???

It's nowhere near half the capacity, a big chunk of the chequers end doesn't even have terracing and they are getting a slither of one entire side where they'd have to sit anyway. Hardly moving about at their leisure...

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: I still say we were right to go full time
« on: February 01, 2023, 10:23:44 AM »
Quote from: HashtagAlty on February 01, 2023, 10:22:04 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2023, 10:09:04 AM
I'm as disappointed as anyone to lose our best players but if some of the stuff on here was to be believed then we're sitting on a mountain of cash doing nothing, not trying to keep players, or sign new ones. When we look at the progress here over the last few years do people seriously believe that it's true?

2,000 against a team with next to no away support on a weekend in January when city and United were home was a ridiculous crowd. We have lots to play for, interest in the club has never been higher, the same management in the boardroom and dugout have made this club the strongest it's been for over 30 years. I'm not pretending everything is rosy, it isn't, but some of the hysteria is unbelievable.

Strongest finances in 20 years, but the fan experience is at its lowest, fan engaement is at its lowest and weve sols 2 fan-loved signings.

Let's not pretend this is all okay. A big 6 months ahead.

Agreed, it's not all ok and I made that clear. If the fan experience is so poor why are the crowds higher than ever? Just curious to know.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Where are our goals going to come from?
« on: February 01, 2023, 10:10:16 AM »
Where has anyone said everything is fine?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: I still say we were right to go full time
« on: February 01, 2023, 10:09:04 AM »
I'm as disappointed as anyone to lose our best players but if some of the stuff on here was to be believed then we're sitting on a mountain of cash doing nothing, not trying to keep players, or sign new ones. When we look at the progress here over the last few years do people seriously believe that it's true?

2,000 against a team with next to no away support on a weekend in January when city and United were home was a ridiculous crowd. We have lots to play for, interest in the club has never been higher, the same management in the boardroom and dugout have made this club the strongest it's been for over 30 years. I'm not pretending everything is rosy, it isn't, but some of the hysteria is unbelievable.

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