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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: joe on November 08, 2012, 08:34:17 AM
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Are these jokers on contracts or can we just say laters and find three players from lower leagues with a bit of fight in them?!
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I say get rid
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Well, we don't need them for the CSC anymore!
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I say get rid
so do I. Pronto.
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Free up some budget, we need another decent striker. Mitchley will go to another club and turn out to be half decent - I can still see something there, but his confidence is at rock bottom. Lacey is Evostik material.
Brooke simply has to be one of the most inept players we have ever had - and it puts him in some very dubious company. I'd rate him just above Darren Royle, wouldn't start him for my pub team.
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Brooke is shocking, I could do better. Mitchley has shown glimpses but we can't afford to wait for the odd flash. Wasn't there last night but if they can't produce in a game like last night i say cheerio
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To be fair Mitchleys 1st full 90 in 3 years i over heard didnt realise that and he got into the spaces just lacks the sharpness in front of goal, with confidence he could bag them and his 2nd goal wasnt offside i was stood in line with linesman on that one
I say more game time would be the answer rather than the chopping block
Brookes lost his confidence aswell, LS had the chance to bring 2 young strikers through the team and hes give them bit parts thoughout the season there fault or poor man management from when reeves arrived back my confidence would be gone aswell
Plus blackpoolalty it was a pretty mismatch bunch of players to be playing with thats what i think anyway
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They get so little game time you wonder whether it's worth loaning one of them out at a time? Even if it means dropping down three levels just to remind themselves of what it's like to hit the net again...
I suppose we can only get rid if we know we can find adequate replacements. We've already played three cup ties, have at least one more next Thursday and the Trophy is kicking off too. We need bodies.
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I can't comment on their performances directly. However, if they are as bad as people are saying, they need replacing asap. Our whole season depends on it.
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How dare you! Darren Royle scored a corking header at Witton!!!! Although that was all he did!! Haha
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First off we need some depth to the squad.
Our FA CUP money has already been offered in part to LS.
Use that money to bring a couple of players in who are either better or as good as what we already have.
By that nature these three players will drop down the pecking order, but still provide us with a larger squad. They may leave of their own accord or fight for a place, it is then their call.
If they go bring in new players from youth or lower leagues. If they fight for their place then fine. If they sit on the bench and dont fight get rid.
But we cant afford to lay them off and replace with a similar number of players. We need a larger squad.
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The squad clearly lacks depth and quality, however keeping players fit and interested isnt easy without a reserve team. Last night was clearly an exercise in avoiding injury by most players coupled with lack of match time and loss of confidence/interest. In an ideal world our squad would have walked the game last night, we dont live in one :o
I am sure Lee realises he needs to strengthen the squad but signing Moult had to be his first priority,... now achieved.
We need another CH and CM with enough quality, bet he's looking already. ;)
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I think it's imperative that we sign another striker to back up Reeves and Lawrie as well, because from what people are saying the current reserve strikers aren't up to the task.
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people asume that there is a saving grace waiting to join us but there may not be therefore a good manager should be able to utilise what hes got but he hasnt
I think mitchley would do fine if he got the game time could of had 3 last night just too rusty but finds the positions
with a good 5 full 90s we might have a different player
Ide like to see reeves duncan mitchley intergrated as a force at some point would free reeves up aswell cant see it tho
Locking moult down was crucial
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Let them go free up the cash
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If Mitchley genuinely has the potential, it's clear that he needs to be loaned out for a month or two to get up to speed. No good having him sat on the bench getting rustier, we need him fit and firing on all cylinders!
It seems to me, however, that Brooke simply isn't up to the job and needs to be given the chance to further his career elsewhere.
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Bring back Cavel Coo and John McAlisky!
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If we can't get players in to start on the bench then bring in players better than what we have already and the current players will then have to go on the bench. Of course I only mean a couple of players
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Is now the time to reignite the debate on having a reserve team again?
Will finances ever allow this?
It would certainly help with keeping squad players fit, and used to the routines.
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Bring back Cavel Coo and John McAlisky!
Didnt go last night but mcAlisky is a far better player and some thought he was abit of a joke
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McAliskey was pretty terrible. Definitely the slowest forward I have ever seen at any level of football. His only use was an an 'out' ball. With Dale crocked at least we had someone we could hoof it towards.
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Bring back twiss ;D
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As bad as mkcalisky was he scored 2 goals at conference level for us that's a quarter what mitchley and brooke have got in career
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Pathetic, those 3 clowns were the worst three players on the pitch last night
Not fit to clean Twiss boots, and that saying something
I would sign any 3 congleton players as replacements and we would have a better squad. Dosent matter which 3, any will do and be an improvement, even their subs
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Pathetic, those 3 clowns were the worst three players on the pitch last night
Not fit to clean Twiss boots, and that saying something
I would sign any 3 congleton players as replacements and we would have a better squad. Dosent matter which 3, any will do and be an improvement, even their subs
To be fair to those three blokes, their poor performances are likely down to a lack of confidence, ability or a combination of both. Twiss just didn't try a leg.
Also, I doubt any of them earn half what Twiss did to stroll around the pitch like some big time Charlie.
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Twiss was perhaps the worst signing I remember because the 2 year contract and the wage truly awful but much better forward than both mitchley and brooke
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Twiss was perhaps the worst signing I remember because the 2 year contract and the wage truly awful but much better forward than both mitchley and brooke
Any truth in the rumour that Mitchley and Brook are both on two year contracts?
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Is now the time to reignite the debate on having a reserve team again?
Will finances ever allow this?
It would certainly help with keeping squad players fit, and used to the routines.
I'm not sure about a reserve team but we should set up a link with Trafford and do something similar to Northwich Vic and Northwich Villa.
Acting as a feeder club, Trafford would not only be a good stepping stone for our youth team but also provide first team action for our less used squad members in order to gain fitness and confidence.
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I would be devastated if them jokers are on two year contracts
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Is now the time to reignite the debate on having a reserve team again?
Will finances ever allow this?
It would certainly help with keeping squad players fit, and used to the routines.
I'm not sure about a reserve team but we should set up a link with Trafford and do something similar to Northwich Vic and Northwich Villa.
Acting as a feeder club, Trafford would not only be a good stepping stone for our youth team but also provide first team action for our less used squad members in order to gain fitness and confidence.
Trafford would laugh at us. They're set up better than that.
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It's all very well saying that Mitchley and Brooke just need game time. There's a reason they don't get on the pitch very often...
LS probably realises that he can't trust them to play at the level required, Brooke gave us a bad 10 minutes on Sunday although inmitigation he was alright at Harrogate and Gainsborough.
If our 3rd striker was Chris Senior for example (and I'm not starting anything here, I'm just using him as an example of a player who we've all seen and know his capabilities so you know the standard of player I mean) he'd get brought on quite often for the last half hour for Lawrie/Reeves. You wouldn't be looking around for Richman to come on so you could shove Dunc up front. So he wouldn't be rusty/out of nick/in need of a goal/disillusioned by this stage of the season.
They just haven't been good signings. A lack of good local contacts from LS? Possibly but thank God Reevesy came back, these two were our starting strike pairing in July!!
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"A lack of local contacts from LS?"
Seems that is still the situation if the comment on local radio recently from Danny Johnson Ashton United manager "I don't know Lee Sinnott at all" is anything to go by.
I don't know how much of a problem not knowing the local NW football mafia is but I can't help feeling opportunities are missed though.
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"A lack of local contacts from LS?"
Seems that is still the situation if the comment on local radio recently from Danny Johnson Ashton United manager "I don't know Lee Sinnott at all" is anything to go by.
I don't know how much of a problem not knowing the local NW football mafia is but I can't help feeling opportunities are missed though.
When Lee Sinnott came in he made a point of saying he wanted to appoint a local assistant manager. Between Neil Tolson and Ian Senior I reckon the contacts are pretty good.
As for the original point, I still believe that Mitchley will come back a better player for a month somewhere.
Ryan Brooke isn't good enough and Lacey reaches the required standard occasionally but not often enough.
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"A lack of local contacts from LS?"
Seems that is still the situation if the comment on local radio recently from Danny Johnson Ashton United manager "I don't know Lee Sinnott at all" is anything to go by.
I don't know how much of a problem not knowing the local NW football mafia is but I can't help feeling opportunities are missed though.
When Lee Sinnott came in he made a point of saying he wanted to appoint a local assistant manager. Between Neil Tolson and Ian Senior I reckon the contacts are pretty good.
How 'local' is Tolson though?
I may be wrong here but doesn't he live in West Yorkshire?
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A big problem in this situation is Like Ballers said the 3rd forward James Lawrie is a decent forward but inconsistent and when he has an off day we are buggerd and you maybe right Eck about the loan of Mitchley but while he is on loan who will be the forward on the bench as for Brooke and Lacey I'd tend to agree
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I dont think they struggle to get in coz there not good enough they just lack time :S
I spoke to an alty fan the other day who was passing judgement on a couple of players and when i said some of the running off the ball was good to which the reply was "i dont really know enough about football to be watching runs" :( so makes ya wonder who your arguing with sometimes ???
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Back on subject what is your opinion on the 3 players in question
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To play at their best, players need match fitness - no amount of training will get a player to his best. I doubt we have seen anything like the best of these players - certainly hope this is the case!
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That's a good point but as ballers posted earlier there is a reason there not getting game time lee can't trust them
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They just haven't been good signings. A lack of good local contacts from LS? Possibly but thank God Reevesy came back, these two were our starting strike pairing in July!!
to be fair to LS. I don't think we'd be having this conversation if Leighton McGivern hadn't gone AWOL
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That's a good point but as ballers posted earlier there is a reason there not getting game time lee can't trust them
you and Ballers the same person Jimmy?
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That's a good point but as ballers posted earlier there is a reason there not getting game time lee can't trust them
you and Ballers the same person Jimmy?
Have you gone today?
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No mate
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Honestly i think brookes confidence is very very low but he has got decent technique Mitchley offers alot more to a game than some think i watched what he does to defenders when he does play he constantly keeps them moving he very arkward to mark, his build up play as a striker surpasses the abillity of his fellow strikers build up play, if we were using him instead of lawrie we would most likely be discussing something else
As for paddy i always believe when you play your a better player
LS just throws them all on at the end and we end up with a jumbled unbalanced team ,he should have give them more starts early on with the odd 30 aswell and now we would have some fight for places. You gotta realize aswell brooke and mitchley started pre season then reeves come back and started the next 5 games to get fit so them games were takin away from the others so they didnt really even have a pre season
Theres always more to a situation than first glance were at a hard level for players only 2 days training and a game and if your not starting you get two sessions a week were as mitchley and brooke would have used to full weeks training and getting reserves
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Honestly i think brookes confidence is very very low but he has got decent technique Mitchley offers alot more to a game than some think i watched what he does to defenders when he does play he constantly keeps them moving he very arkward to mark, his build up play as a striker surpasses the abillity of his fellow strikers build up play, if we were using him instead of lawrie we would most likely be discussing something else
As for paddy i always believe when you play your a better player
LS just throws them all on at the end and we end up with a jumbled unbalanced team ,he should have give them more starts early on with the odd 30 aswell and now we would have some fight for places. You gotta realize aswell brooke and mitchley started pre season then reeves come back and started the next 5 games to get fit so them games were takin away from the others so they didnt really even have a pre season
Theres always more to a situation than first glance were at a hard level for players only 2 days training and a game and if your not starting you get two sessions a week were as mitchley and brooke would have used to full weeks training and getting reserves
so you think brooke and mitchley should play more? but who would you drop so that could happen?
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Think they should have more time ide start mitchley before lawrie as i beleive with 4 games we wud see a more effective player if he was playing he wud be slotting his half chances coz he finds the space which is a good quality on it own get him playing and fit its the only fair test before judgement cudnt have a performance review at work with ya hands tied behind ya back
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The situation were in can we afford to experiment
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Think they should have more time ide start mitchley before lawrie as i beleive with 4 games we wud see a more effective player if he was playing he wud be slotting his half chances coz he finds the space which is a good quality on it own get him playing and fit its the only fair test before judgement cudnt have a performance review at work with ya hands tied behind ya back
you would start mitchley ahead of lawrie?
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Exactlty i knew it would happen when reeves came back we would push some young potential with pedigree back on to the bench letting them rust even with the possibillity of reeves leaving at any momennt the blame lies with LS hes not used them properly he didnt give himself enough options or give them the boost they need and they receive the blame when there driving in a race without fuel
Ive played low level before and for me i could put in extra training each day but match practice is a different beast
Yer i would no doubt hes clearly got intellingence on the pitch with games hed be a much better option but i go back to others i spoke to who said " i only judge strikers on goals" tut tut tut but its a difficult time to start experimenting i agree
But anyway COME ON ALTY!!!!
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They have been at a higher level but so have most players at this level pedigree is flattering I'd say to be honest
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Exactlty i knew it would happen when reeves came back we would push some young potential with pedigree back on to the bench letting them rust even with the possibillity of reeves leaving at any momennt the blame lies with LS hes not used them properly he didnt give himself enough options or give them the boost they need and they receive the blame when there driving in a race without fuel
Ive played low level before and for me i could put in extra training each day but match practice is a different beast
Yer i would no doubt hes clearly got intellingence on the pitch with games hed be a much better option but i go back to others i spoke to who said " i only judge strikers on goals" tut tut tut but its a difficult time to start experimenting i agree
But anyway COME ON ALTY!!!!
yeah Reeves coming back really messed everything up!
you must be dissapointed that i see for some reason LS has gone for lawrie ahead of mitchley again today :( madness!!
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It did abit he gave himself a good chance when reeves come back to guide the others in but he didnt he just put his reeves glasses
I like lawrie dont get me wrong but ide go mitchley my mates a mansfield fan and they had him he said when he was fit he destroyed wrexam to the point they had to keep 2 men on him so somethings there
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It did abit he gave himself a good chance when reeves come back to guide the others in but he didnt he just put his reeves glasses
I like lawrie dont get me wrong but ide go mitchley my mates a mansfield fan and they had him he said when he was fit he destroyed wrexam to the point they had to keep 2 men on him so somethings there
Dear Lord, you're going on my mental list of posters not to reply to!
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Mental list of posters for giving my opinion rather than coming on to critisise people get a grip mate everyone has an opinion.
Dont be so dismisive
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I think Ash 48 may be related to Danny Mitchley as his/her comments are lifted straight from a conversation I had with Danny Mitchley's Mum in the car park on Wednesday night. And yes, I am the Alty fan who confessed that I'm not enough of an expert in the game to notice every run, good or otherwise, that a striker makes. If the run ends with a goal that's good, if it ends with a header 10 yards over the bar or a shot scuffed straight at the keeper that's less good. That limited knowledge over the past 40 years has enabled me to recognise that John Hughes, John Rogers, Graham Bennett, Colin Little, Rod Thornley, Andy Green, Damian Reeves, to name a few, were good strikers. Whereas a set of players who'd just been turned over 4-0 by Congleton Town might possibly not be so good.
I hope both Danny & Ryan turn it around as we may need them as the season progresses and I agree with those who suggest they get some game time on loan in the meantime. Oh, and as I said on another thread, Paddy Lacey played really well today. At least I think he did, I'm not an expert after all
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If it is his Mum then I understand the feeling of defending your son, doubt he will be overly pleased that she has done it in this way though!
One of the joys of non league football!
Oh and Alfa, you're getting us a bad name mate, start watching these runs a bit more!
Let's hope Ryan Brookes mum hasn't got a computer!
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I think Ash 48 may be related to Danny Mitchley as his/her comments are lifted straight from a conversation I had with Danny Mitchley's Mum in the car park on Wednesday night. And yes, I am the Alty fan who confessed that I'm not enough of an expert in the game to notice every run, good or otherwise, that a striker makes. If the run ends with a goal that's good, if it ends with a header 10 yards over the bar or a shot scuffed straight at the keeper that's less good. That limited knowledge over the past 40 years has enabled me to recognise that John Hughes, John Rogers, Graham Bennett, Colin Little, Rod Thornley, Andy Green, Damian Reeves, to name a few, were good strikers. Whereas a set of players who'd just been turned over 4-0 by Congleton Town might possibly not be so good.
I hope both Danny & Ryan turn it around as we may need them as the season progresses and I agree with those who suggest they get some game time on loan in the meantime. Oh, and as I said on another thread, Paddy Lacey played really well today. At least I think he did, I'm not an expert after all
Expert or not, you're right about Lacey today. Probably his best performance for us - I'm prepared to revise my opinion of him from Wednesday if he can give us more of the same.
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if ash48 isnt related to Danny then its Danny himself...
anyways, I agree mitchley shows something but isnt fit but we cant afford to start him ahead of lawrie or reeves at the moment so imo a months loan is the answer.
Brooke on the other hand is just a poor player. end of. and he needs to go and stop pissing about.
lacey was poor on Wednesday but had his best alty performance today, was top quality.
mitchley and lacey worth keeping for now. but Brooke isnt good enough for this level imo
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That limited knowledge over the past 40 years has enabled me to recognise that John Hughes, John Rogers, Graham Bennett, Colin Little, Rod Thornley, Andy Green, Damian Reeves, to name a few, were good strikers. Whereas a set of players who'd just been turned over 4-0 by Congleton Town might possibly not be so good.
I think this is a fair point. You don't need to have necessarily have played the game at any level. Obviously you will have gained an insight but if all you have ever done is watch then at the very least you will be able to recognise who is good at a particular level. eg. Damian Reeves = good goal scorer, Mitchley/Brooke = less so. Paul Cuddy = very determined, quality no nonsense defender, Marc Joseph = slightly past his best, hesitant mistake prone defender.
Of course, Brooke and Mitchley do have more ability than the next kid at school. I'm not saying that they're completely sh*t (Mitchley at least looks lively and as I've said previously Brooke was good at Harrogate and Gainsborough) but ultimately you have to make a judgement at the level you're at.
In a nice world both would get game time elsehwere, game time here and get their confidence back but wouldn't everyone?
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I'm sure if Mitchley was that good at Mansfield he would have still beeen there. As early season tips for promotion the Stags have seen having a bit of a down turn in fortunes given the money lavished by John Radford. Some people perhaps don't spark at particular clubs and perhaps Alty is one of these in the case of Mitchley.
I would if when he left, his fellow team mates had a whip round for the much sought after Stags stationery set? ;D
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If it is his Mum then I understand the feeling of defending your son, doubt he will be overly pleased that she has done it in this way though!
One of the joys of non league football!
Oh and Alfa, you're getting us a bad name mate, start watching these runs a bit more!
Let's hope Ryan Brookes mum hasn't got a computer!
Well, if that contributor was, indeed, Mitchley's mother, she's got form for stoutly defending her son.
Just ask Campbell in the Alty Club Shop about the time that he was harangued by her during the pre-season friendly at Mossley back in July...!