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Title: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Alty Nigel on March 18, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: AT on March 18, 2017, 07:45:59 PM
Fantastic Bait..  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D





Thriving.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: im not really here on March 18, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
So you're presumably happy with how the club is being run then?
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: DT on March 18, 2017, 07:49:01 PM
Would HAVE lost your deposit 🤣
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Alty Bri on March 18, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
The fans who walked out received a lot of support as they left.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Nom de plume on March 18, 2017, 07:52:33 PM
The fans who walked out received a lot of support as they left.
Both of them?  ;)
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Sale Holmfield on March 18, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
Well, as somebody who stayed, but applauded those who walked out,  it seems that the forum is not too unrepresentative as while it may be a minority who actively walked out, plenty more either supported them, but didn't feel able to go early, for whatever reason, or have stopped coming - shall we call that passively boycotting the club?

Presumably, you think all is fine at the club, as you only feel the need to taunt the supporters?
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Alty Bri on March 18, 2017, 08:00:24 PM
It is truly remarkable that there are some Altrincham supporters who believe all is well at the club.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on March 18, 2017, 08:00:53 PM


As the protestors walked out at the designated exit gate this afternoon, I was somewhat surprised to see the CSH manager Stacey Rowley standing inside the adjacent turnstile.

Does she always watch home games from that rather curious vantage point?

It has even more of a restricted view than the one from my customary seat in the main stand!


Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Stan Hibbert on March 18, 2017, 08:25:51 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: taxi Phil on March 18, 2017, 08:31:54 PM
Lies, damned lies, and statistics !  There's plenty more of us unhappy than those who chose to walk out.

I'm not the only who has walked away from this shambles. And there are plenty of others who suffer in silence.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Timperley The Best on March 18, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.



Not according to the recent poll on here
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Stan Hibbert on March 18, 2017, 08:36:26 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.



Not according to the recent poll on here

Exactly. A poll on HERE.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on March 18, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.

Haha The name DIM sums you up perfectly.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Stan Hibbert on March 18, 2017, 08:52:28 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.

Haha The name DIM sums you up perfectly.

You've personally attacked me a couple of times today which is a bit uncalled for.

You may not agree with me but don't get personal mate.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Alty Bri on March 18, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
More than 30 applauded pal, a lot more than 30.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Bob on March 18, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.

I want Rowley to step down, I didn't walk out.  there's no way anyone can back up exact figures for levels of support for and against Rowley but to suggest people are pro Rowley if they didn't walk out or applaud the protesters is nonsense.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on March 18, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.

Haha The name DIM sums you up perfectly.

You've personally attacked me a couple of times today which is a bit uncalled for.

You may not agree with me but don't get personal mate.

Personal attack? I think you need to grow a pair 'mate'
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: JMF on March 18, 2017, 09:24:48 PM
I thought that those that chose to leave did with grace and humility after obvious subtle provocation over recent days. Does anyone under 35 know who John King is? One person leaving early is a terrible blow, never mind the numbers that did. Great to see the csh manager here on a Saturday for a change, even if they were hiding out in the usually closed turnstile block.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: RockyRobin on March 18, 2017, 09:30:55 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.

If you'd asked me 18 months ago that I wouldn't have watched Alty in 6 months and that I wasn't in traction I would have laughed you all the way to the Drill Field.

Nobodies laughing now I can tell you
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: alty.fc on March 18, 2017, 09:37:07 PM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


It's clear that fans forum is not at all representative of the fan base. Let's say 30 walked out and 30 applauded them and, let's be honest that being very fair then that's 5% of today's attendance. This then means 95% of those who attended today do not support #rowleyout.

Okay, I've included the stalybridge fans here but there weren't even 50 of them so we're splitting hairs.

The majority seems to support Rowley like it or not.
lots of fans won't even use this forum and probably don't even know it exists

Lots probably don't get involved in the political side of matters either

I think you may be confusing support for the current board with supporting the team

People expressed there support in lots of other ways as well

Like walking to the exit but not leaving.. others boycotted... others applauded .. others agreed but didn't leave

Either way those that wanted to leave made thier point as intended

None of this changes the fact we have just drawn against the second worst team In the leauge

We will be relegated for the 2nd successive season into oblivion despite having a Healthy p&l and strong revenue from the CSH and large crowds

We are going to finish bottom in a very poor leauge

We are still awaiting any real vision  or clarity from the "5 year plan "

All is not well

This once proud club who would beat top tier teams away from home in the cup . Proceeding to the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the fa cup .. who would draw away at Oxford in the leauge is now a sorry shadow of its former self

This is not about scoring points (no pun intended ) this should be about the realisation we are playing at our lowest level ever

And we have no right to bounce back either

If we don't get someone on board quickly who understands football and can attract hungry local talent then I dread to think what next season may bring
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Darren on March 18, 2017, 09:40:37 PM


As the protestors walked out at the designated exit gate this afternoon, I was somewhat surprised to see the CSH manager Stacey Rowley standing inside the adjacent turnstile.

Does she always watch home games from that rather curious vantage point?

It has even more of a restricted view than the one from my customary seat in the main stand!

She had a clicker to count how many left



Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: wayno on March 18, 2017, 09:43:59 PM


As the protestors walked out at the designated exit gate this afternoon, I was somewhat surprised to see the CSH manager Stacey Rowley standing inside the adjacent turnstile.

Does she always watch home games from that rather curious vantage point?

It has even more of a restricted view than the one from my customary seat in the main stand!

She had a clicker to count how many left



we have needed a clicker to keep track of players used and management failures this season 😂😂😂
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on March 18, 2017, 09:49:22 PM


As the protestors walked out at the designated exit gate this afternoon, I was somewhat surprised to see the CSH manager Stacey Rowley standing inside the adjacent turnstile.

Does she always watch home games from that rather curious vantage point?

It has even more of a restricted view than the one from my customary seat in the main stand!

She had a clicker to count how many left




Why? Is she going to report it to the media or is it just for the Rowleys benefit?
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: York Alty is back on March 18, 2017, 09:50:17 PM
I walked along Golf Road to the open gate and there were plenty of people applauding, and some waving the flyer.

The noise level fell to almost nil after the walkout.

The walkout may have been a gesture, but a gesture well worth making.

Mr Rowley OUT.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: letsbyavenue on March 18, 2017, 10:50:58 PM
1236 attendance only achieved due to free tickets and no utd and city games today. If I had a child who had been daft enough to accept a free ticket he would not have gone to the'match' as (a) I would not have paid theŁ5 to accompany him to watch that white and(b) the child having attended would never want to set foot in Moss Lane again. The management suggestion that first timers using free tickets would become regular supporters is at best laughable and in reality pathologically delusional. I have not been to a match since December but may go Tuesday against nuneaton just to experience nat league north one last time before we continue the descent through the mickey mouse leagues and eventually possess the best community sports hall in the Manchester Saturday amateur league.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Nasha on March 18, 2017, 11:24:59 PM
The sad thing for me is the people who love this club are no longer at games, as they cannot bear to see our plight and what is happening here. One of my fellow supporters, who I have known since I started supporting 20+ years ago, went to Droylsden vs Glossop instead. That for me is a worse fact than those who chose to walk out today. Actions need to be put in place at the top before this decline becomes terminal. It's all well and good saying appreciating the loyal support, but it's extremely difficult to win them back when they go in to the wilderness.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Jimmy on March 19, 2017, 08:11:49 AM
The crowd they announced was a complete myth about 600/700 at that game
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: York Alty is back on March 19, 2017, 08:40:11 AM
The crowd they announced was a complete myth about 600/700 at that game
using the warped counting as used by the club, about one hundred walked out.    I know what 1200t at Moss Lane looks like and it was nowhere near it. I say there was 650 ish there.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Toff Apple on March 19, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


I find this very strange, why is there such animosity and hatred towards a group of fans who paid to get in and then decided to leave, they were not abusive, acted with good discipline and behaviour. You might not agree with them but thats democratic choice, of course 500 didnt decide to leave after 15 mins, I dont believe it was that sort of protest.  The very fact that anyone did is a shame.  I have seen more humility and balance from the Rowley out group than from a good number of the others.  I think the club should take a leaf from the management duo and state that it is totally up to them if they wish to do this, acknowledge all isnt perfect and attempt to build bridges.  Sad times and in my opinion those with power and authority should always rise above and offer the olive branch rather than creating a culture of antagonisation
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Sarf London Alty on March 19, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


Next Saturday there were going to be 6 of us London Alty going to BPA but we are binning off to go to a more London based Ryman game. There were plenty of people who I know were not there today who want GR to step down. Our away games next season will be the only place an atmosphere is created. Rowley is slowly but surely sucking the life out of the club.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Bob on March 19, 2017, 09:53:01 AM
If this had been a general election you would of lost your deposit!!

I'd always wondered how representative the 'fans forum' was of the Altrincham fan base, now I know.


I find this very strange, why is there such animosity and hatred towards a group of fans who paid to get in and then decided to leave, they were not abusive, acted with good discipline and behaviour. You might not agree with them but thats democratic choice, of course 500 didnt decide to leave after 15 mins, I dont believe it was that sort of protest.  The very fact that anyone did is a shame.  I have seen more humility and balance from the Rowley out group than from a good number of the others.  I think the club should take a leaf from the management duo and state that it is totally up to them if they wish to do this, acknowledge all isnt perfect and attempt to build bridges.  Sad times and in my opinion those with power and authority should always rise above and offer the olive branch rather than creating a culture of antagonisation

Very good post. On a similar note, how much of the last year's disaster can the fans be held responsible for? How much of it is the fault of the Chairman and the board?  The finger should be pointed one way and not towards the terraces.

We are being told to get behind the club, move forward; but I have seen nothing like the accountability or apology from Rowley that there should be for what has gone on (and accepting the review and mumbling a half arsed "mistakes have been made" at the meeting isnt enough). That is what hurts a lot in all this and until we get that olive branch then I predict more division and disharmony.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: DidsburyAlty on March 19, 2017, 10:02:16 AM
If Rowley was serious about building bridges - he should have sat down with his biggest critics. He should have actively gone to them and set lets sort this out.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Jezza on March 19, 2017, 11:50:30 AM
its always suggested in general elections referendums trade union votes that those who don't vote hold an opposing view.....on which basis the government has a mandate to stay in the EU.

Top marks for trolling though.

One thing is clear, Grahame Rowley is splitting the fanbase by staying....we are turning into Northwich...
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: WiganAlty on March 19, 2017, 11:58:51 AM
The sad thing for me is the people who love this club are no longer at games, as they cannot bear to see our plight and what is happening here. One of my fellow supporters, who I have known since I started supporting 20+ years ago, went to Droylsden vs Glossop instead. That for me is a worse fact than those who chose to walk out today.

As another "old-timer" (having watched Alty for getting on 40 years now), over the last few months I have found any number of DIY jobs that needed to be done rather than have to watch 90 minutes of utter cr@p. I think I've made two or three games since Christmas and New Year - once the DIY jobs run out, I'll be accompanying the missus on shopping trips on Saturdays  :-[
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: bighairedmike on March 19, 2017, 12:32:54 PM
If Rowley was serious about building bridges - he should have sat down with his biggest critics. He should have actively gone to them and set lets sort this out.


Grahame Rowley was asked to go on the non-league show podcast alongside an altrincham fan that was acting as a spokesman for the walkout protest group, but he refused, instead sending an aweful statement that pointed the finger anywhere but st himself.

Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 19, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
If Rowley was serious about building bridges - he should have sat down with his biggest critics. He should have actively gone to them and set lets sort this out.


Grahame Rowley was asked to go on the non-league show podcast alongside an altrincham fan that was acting as a spokesman for the walkout protest group, but he refused, instead sending an aweful statement that pointed the finger anywhere but st himself.



Do we have the content of this 'awful statement'?
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: bighairedmike on March 19, 2017, 12:56:35 PM
If Rowley was serious about building bridges - he should have sat down with his biggest critics. He should have actively gone to them and set lets sort this out.


Grahame Rowley was asked to go on the non-league show podcast alongside an altrincham fan that was acting as a spokesman for the walkout protest group, but he refused, instead sending an aweful statement that pointed the finger anywhere but st himself.



Do we have the content of this 'awful statement'?

It's on the podcast (I don't have a written copy) thread. About 13 minutes in. Will copy the link in a moment.

EDIT:  http://www.altyfans.co.uk/index.php?topic=22327.0
The link to the podcast is in the above thread.
Title: Re: The Vocal Minority
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on March 19, 2017, 01:09:41 PM
If Rowley was serious about building bridges - he should have sat down with his biggest critics. He should have actively gone to them and set lets sort this out.


Grahame Rowley was asked to go on the non-league show podcast alongside an altrincham fan that was acting as a spokesman for the walkout protest group, but he refused, instead sending an aweful statement that pointed the finger anywhere but st himself.


Do we have the content of this 'awful statement'?

It's on the podcast (I don't have a written copy) thread. About 13 minutes in. Will copy the link in a moment.

EDIT:  http://www.altyfans.co.uk/index.php?topic=22327.0
The link to the podcast is in the above thread.

OK, thanks, going to give myself a little time for my blood pressure to come down again having just read Mike Garnett's propogandist fantasy piece. I'll give it a listen in a little while.