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Title: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 24, 2015, 11:55:57 AM
Now this farce!!!

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Inflate-gate-Assault-charge-GTFC-fan-accused/story-26070811-detail/story.html
I hope barnet arent afforded any niceties on Saturday and are housed where they should be.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jimmy Hill on February 24, 2015, 12:07:34 PM
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In addition, Kenny said he has been given a banning order which prohibits him from being in the town centres of Grimsby and Cleethorpes for four hours either side of a home match.

He is also banned from attending any home or away game until the matter has been resolved, he added.

It's pretty disgusting that he can be treated like that before he's even found guilty!
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Beaver on February 24, 2015, 12:10:11 PM
Fair play to the Grimsby fans, travelling in numbers and having a great time, looks like a right laugh!
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Hemel Alty on February 24, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Odious club. They seem to be totally at odds with whats needed for modern stewarding/policing, adopting the mindset that every one is to be treated as a troublemaker. Situations like that need to be stewarded with a smile but with a readiness to react of things get out of hand - much as the policing of the Notting Hill Carnival has evolved.
Even if it means we have to go to Barnet again next season, I really hope Bristol Rovers go up.

Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Hamilton on February 24, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
There was a giant c*ck there (and an inflatable willy!)
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: ob1 on February 24, 2015, 02:41:39 PM
Fair play to the Grimsby fans, travelling in numbers and having a great time, looks like a right laugh!

And on the Grimsby forum there are several messages praising the Barnet stewards for their handling of what was a very difficult afternoon for them.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: MadFrankie on February 24, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Fair play to the Grimsby fans, travelling in numbers and having a great time, looks like a right laugh!

And on the Grimsby forum there are several messages praising the Barnet stewards for their handling of what was a very difficult afternoon for them.
ob1, don't suppose you're a Barnet fan by any chance?
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: blackpoolalty on February 24, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
Now this farce!!!

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Inflate-gate-Assault-charge-GTFC-fan-accused/story-26070811-detail/story.html
I hope barnet arent afforded any niceties on Saturday and are housed where they should be.

The police need to get a grip of reality. I presume this hasn't reached the CPS yet who no doubt will decide there's insificient evidence. What a waste of taxpayers money let alone the inconvenience of the guy having to travel back to Hendon if he is summonsed to court. It's a football match, after a goal a steward gets a light inflatable touch him, grow up.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: York Alty on February 24, 2015, 04:09:39 PM
Now this farce!!!

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Inflate-gate-Assault-charge-GTFC-fan-accused/story-26070811-detail/story.html
I hope barnet arent afforded any niceties on Saturday and are housed where they should be.

The police need to get a grip of reality. I presume this hasn't reached the CPS yet who no doubt will decide there's insificient evidence. What a waste of taxpayers money let alone the inconvenience of the guy having to travel back to Hendon if he is summonsed to court. It's a football match, after a goal a steward gets a light inflatable touch him, grow up.

...and in the context of that reaction at Worcester the other, ludicrous.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 24, 2015, 05:34:53 PM

I hope barnet arent afforded any niceties on Saturday and are housed where they should be.



The abject treatment of the Alty diehards at The Hive this season isn't really the fault of the Barnet fans though, is it?

Wouldn't it be better to direct your ire at Barnet's Board of Directors and, in particular, the club's hypersensitive Chairman?

Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 24, 2015, 06:06:05 PM
We were treated like thugs, falsely questioned by police for fabricated stories of drug taking and shown no welcome,just distain by their safety officer. We had the supporters coach rifled through during the game by police. whats good for the goose is good for the gander, Most of this inside the stadium was witnessed by officals from our club. I'll be furious if they get welcomed like long lost friends.They should be shown the minimum in hospitality and their supporters should be on the away end, simple.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: eightiesrobin on February 24, 2015, 06:07:30 PM
Talking of Barnet officials, I found this interesting piece about the late Stan Flashman:

http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=18640

When you read pieces like this, it amazes me that we don't see more clubs going bust.

I never minded Barnet in the 80s. When I first watched "Gola League" football, they were very much the poor relations of Wealdstone and Enfield.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Hemel Alty on February 24, 2015, 07:22:47 PM
Assuming they fail to get promoted, maybe we shouldn't bother turning up at the Hive next season. A loss of 150 x £18 plus a huge bill to police and cater for a non existent away crowd might be the best protest (although I realise it wouldn't help our team).
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jimmy on February 24, 2015, 07:48:10 PM
We were treated like thugs, falsely questioned by police for fabricated stories of drug taking and shown no welcome,just distain by their safety officer. We had the supporters coach rifled through during the game by police. whats good for the goose is good for the gander, Most of this inside the stadium was witnessed by officals from our club. I'll be furious if they get welcomed like long lost friends.They should be shown the minimum in hospitality and their supporters should be on the away end, simple.
I'd be very dissapointed if we as a club chucked 2 fans out for no reason and unneeded drug search on a fan went on we should treat their fans correctly not no tit for tat nonsense
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 24, 2015, 07:53:07 PM
Yes agree, correctly,so chequers end it is
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RedhillAlty on February 24, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
Two wrongs dont make a right, so it would not be appropriate to treat Barnet fans as badly as we were treated at their dull metal structure. However I hope we put them all in the away end behind the goal on Saturday and it is a pity we cant charge the same prices for entry and everything else that they ripped us off for.
I also have a gut feeling that Barnet wont go up.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: ob1 on February 24, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
Fair play to the Grimsby fans, travelling in numbers and having a great time, looks like a right laugh!

And on the Grimsby forum there are several messages praising the Barnet stewards for their handling of what was a very difficult afternoon for them.
ob1, don't suppose you're a Barnet fan by any chance?

Yes I am.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Darren on February 24, 2015, 08:31:15 PM
They took 105 fans to Wrexham so not a big following
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jimmy on February 24, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Was that Saturday or midweek
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Darren on February 24, 2015, 09:28:05 PM
Saturday 14 Feb
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on February 24, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
The fact that Barnet treated our fans poorly should have absolutely no bearing on how we treat theirs

I'm not suggesting that we put out deckchairs and bunting, nor turn over the Golf Road end to them merely that we treat them as we treat every other teams fans, on their merits on the day, with respect and as we would wish to be treated
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 24, 2015, 10:35:25 PM
I don't think they should be treated poorly, just put in the away end as per. Just no extra niceties or ooh it might rain so come and stand in the home end. We let ourselves down very badly against FGR, they shouldn't have had freedom to roam around after shoving our supporters in the worst seats in the house at the new lawn and trying to have us thrown out of the conference. It's a football match, not a tea dance, people say that atmospheres sh*t, it's because we are too busy Making sure 50 people who come once a year are comfortable.. If I had my way Id be charging reciprocal prices also.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Alex on February 24, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Agree with keeping away fans on the chequers, but not just Barnet ALL away fans.

My reasoning is simple if not slightly selfish, the atmosphere at home games definitely drops off when we are not attacking the golf road as people go and stand on the chequers instead of being grouped on the pop side where a better atmosphere can be created.

Have a listen for yourselves next time we have no segregation, then think back to the last time we were in this league and almost every game was segregated regardless of how many showed up from the opposition to when we would have an equally good atmosphere on the pop side as well as the golf road especially in night games.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: taxi Phil on February 24, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
We should make their directors stand on the Chequers End as well.......and perform a rain dance around half two  :D
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: GolfRoader on February 25, 2015, 12:04:00 AM
Agree with keeping away fans on the chequers, but not just Barnet ALL away fans.

My reasoning is simple if not slightly selfish, the atmosphere at home games definitely drops off when we are not attacking the golf road as people go and stand on the chequers instead of being grouped on the pop side where a better atmosphere can be created.

Have a listen for yourselves next time we have no segregation, then think back to the last time we were in this league and almost every game was segregated regardless of how many showed up from the opposition to when we would have an equally good atmosphere on the pop side as well as the golf road especially in night games.

Every game should be segregated, agree. Atmosphere is killed otherwise and away fans are given the means to be much more vocal when they get a roof.

Look at Bristol rovers. We were tucked away in an open terrace in the corner, out of sight and out of mind and I can't blame them at all for it either. If it reduces the impact on the match in any way possible then it should be done.

I think that Supporters do have an impact on games, especially late on when a goal is required. For instance I've heard a number of our players describe the support of the fans late on in the play off semi against hednesford last year as a contributing factor to get them over the line however small it may have been.

So any small advantage we can gain at home should be taken I think.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Sarf London Alty on February 25, 2015, 12:16:51 AM
In over 20 years of regularly watching Alty away, the 'welcome' afforded to us by the stewards, bar staff and Police at Barnet was right up there with my worst experiences as an away day.

Not that I'll be there on Saturday but fully agree that they should not be allowed to set foot in our bar (but if they are, wait until they've all ordered a pint and give them 5 mins to drink it before ejecting them whilst all the while being stared at by stewards) and if we could get some incredibly officious GMP officers down to harass and search anyone paying into the away turnstiles then that would be lovely as well. Oh and then falsely accuse people of taking Class A drugs in the toilets and offer no apologies afterwards that would be another thing we could do. I'm sure there's others I've forgotten but even for the fact we may aid Macc's automatic bid I hope we absolutely smash Barnet into 2016.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: andrewflynn on February 25, 2015, 02:09:44 AM
Barnet Football Club treated our away fans poorly, not Barnet Football Club's fans.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jezza on February 25, 2015, 05:43:29 AM
Agree its not the fans fault .....maybe our chairman can go into ian paisley mode with their directors  ;D
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: distancetraveller on February 25, 2015, 08:26:17 AM
The fact that Barnet treated our fans poorly should have absolutely no bearing on how we treat theirs

I'm not suggesting that we put out deckchairs and bunting, nor turn over the Golf Road end to them merely that we treat them as we treat every other teams fans, on their merits on the day, with respect and as we would wish to be treated

Phil. They only get deckchairs when they play Bournemouth or Blackpool  ;)
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: distancetraveller on February 25, 2015, 08:28:30 AM
I don't think they should be treated poorly, just put in the away end as per. Just no extra niceties or ooh it might rain so come and stand in the home end. We let ourselves down very badly against FGR, they shouldn't have had freedom to roam around after shoving our supporters in the worst seats in the house at the new lawn and trying to have us thrown out of the conference. It's a football match, not a tea dance, people say that atmospheres sh*t, it's because we are too busy Making sure 50 people who come once a year are comfortable.. If I had my way Id be charging reciprocal prices also.

Good post
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 25, 2015, 08:40:24 AM
They get the usual Alty welcome, simple as that. We don't lower ourselves to other people's levels, we'll leave them to do that.

Just make sure their directors wear ties!  ;)
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: ob1 on February 25, 2015, 03:10:37 PM
Fair play to the Grimsby fans, travelling in numbers and having a great time, looks like a right laugh!

And on the Grimsby forum there are several messages praising the Barnet stewards for their handling of what was a very difficult afternoon for them.
ob1, don't suppose you're a Barnet fan by any chance?

Yes I am.

And I am really looking forward to some good northern hospitality this weekend.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 25, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
In over 20 years of regularly watching Alty away, the 'welcome' afforded to us by the stewards, bar staff and Police at Barnet was right up there with my worst experiences as an away day.

Not that I'll be there on Saturday but fully agree that they should not be allowed to set foot in our bar (but if they are, wait until they've all ordered a pint and give them 5 mins to drink it before ejecting them whilst all the while being stared at by stewards) and if we could get some incredibly officious GMP officers down to harass and search anyone paying into the away turnstiles then that would be lovely as well. Oh and then falsely accuse people of taking Class A drugs in the toilets and offer no apologies afterwards that would be another thing we could do. I'm sure there's others I've forgotten but even for the fact we may aid Macc's automatic bid I hope we absolutely smash Barnet into 2016.


Just out of curiosity, did you submit a letter of complaint to Barnet FC regarding their abysmal 'hospitality'?

The Barnet Chairman does sound like a tinpot dictator who ostracises/bans anyone who even dares to criticise him, so it would be fascinating to read the Barnet Board of Directors' justification for the treatment that the Alty supporters received. 

 
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RockyRobin on February 25, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
In over 20 years of regularly watching Alty away, the 'welcome' afforded to us by the stewards, bar staff and Police at Barnet was right up there with my worst experiences as an away day.

Not that I'll be there on Saturday but fully agree that they should not be allowed to set foot in our bar (but if they are, wait until they've all ordered a pint and give them 5 mins to drink it before ejecting them whilst all the while being stared at by stewards) and if we could get some incredibly officious GMP officers down to harass and search anyone paying into the away turnstiles then that would be lovely as well. Oh and then falsely accuse people of taking Class A drugs in the toilets and offer no apologies afterwards that would be another thing we could do. I'm sure there's others I've forgotten but even for the fact we may aid Macc's automatic bid I hope we absolutely smash Barnet into 2016.


Just out of curiosity, did you submit a letter of complaint to Barnet FC regarding their abysmal 'hospitality'?

The Barnet Chairman does sound like a tinpot dictator who ostracises/bans anyone who even dares to criticise him, so it would be fascinating to read the Barnet Board of Directors' justification for the treatment that the Alty supporters received.  

 

Unfortunately due to the behaviour of Barnet FC we have two supporters with Met Police actions hanging over their heads until a period of time later in the year.

Once this period has expired then the individuals concerned can decide how and if to take any actions.

So from my point of view when people say it's not about tit for tat, it is VERY tempting to treat them as they treated us. It may be the only way to highlight what seems to be a major problem at a member of this league.

For those of you not there I considered it a very major incident, one I have not seen the likes of in over 150 football grounds I have visited.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: taxi Phil on February 25, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
Of course, the correct action is to take three points off them. They're not as good as when they battered us at their place (I only saw the highlights, but that was enough !)

Sod their fans or directors.....let's get well and truly behind the lads on Saturday and motivate them to do the business.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RedhillAlty on February 26, 2015, 05:00:27 AM
In over 20 years of regularly watching Alty away, the 'welcome' afforded to us by the stewards, bar staff and Police at Barnet was right up there with my worst experiences as an away day.

Not that I'll be there on Saturday but fully agree that they should not be allowed to set foot in our bar (but if they are, wait until they've all ordered a pint and give them 5 mins to drink it before ejecting them whilst all the while being stared at by stewards) and if we could get some incredibly officious GMP officers down to harass and search anyone paying into the away turnstiles then that would be lovely as well. Oh and then falsely accuse people of taking Class A drugs in the toilets and offer no apologies afterwards that would be another thing we could do. I'm sure there's others I've forgotten but even for the fact we may aid Macc's automatic bid I hope we absolutely smash Barnet into 2016.

Just out of curiosity, did you submit a letter of complaint to Barnet FC regarding their abysmal 'hospitality'?

The Barnet Chairman does sound like a tinpot dictator who ostracises/bans anyone who even dares to criticise him, so it would be fascinating to read the Barnet Board of Directors' justification for the treatment that the Alty supporters received. 

 

After the way we were treated at Aldershot, having been ejected from the family stand with my 2 small kids for wearing an Alty badge, my host who attends most Shots games wrote a letter of complaint and Aldershot FC did not even give an acknowledgement.
Barnet FC are not going to admit they were in the wrong, as if it is not their fault how contracted stewards behave, and they wont even care. We don't have to get in an argument about this with Barnet FC, just stick ALL their fans in the away end and don't give them access to the bar or seating area.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Hale Alty on February 26, 2015, 07:25:59 AM
For any safety officers and chief stewards reading this if it rains the Barnet fans MUST NOT be allowed under cover.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: brian1925 on February 26, 2015, 07:56:45 AM
As I posted at the time, I was put off travelling to Barnet by fans of other clubs. There is no need to treat Barnet fans badly on Saturday  - just don't go to their place again and I'm sure they'll get the message eventually.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Ballers on February 26, 2015, 08:06:23 AM
As league leaders they should be bringing enough support to make not coming on the pop side even a discussion. And they've been here before and know it's uncovered. Even the most naive Barnet fan will know Manchester in late February requires a big coat.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Alty_22 on February 26, 2015, 08:58:31 AM
As league leaders they should be bringing enough support to make not coming on the pop side even a discussion. And they've been here before and know it's uncovered. Even the most naive Barnet fan will know Manchester in late February requires a big coat.

Barnet are not  top of the league anymore 
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Hulme Robin on February 26, 2015, 09:25:14 PM
Keep them out of the pop side

Keep them out of the top spot
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: GB Alty on February 27, 2015, 09:50:27 AM
Arsed about Barnet fans
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: taxi Phil on February 27, 2015, 09:58:07 AM
Arsed about people being arsed.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 27, 2015, 10:23:22 AM
Arsed about Barnet fans

We know, that's why you shrugged it off
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jimmy on February 27, 2015, 05:25:08 PM
As I posted at the time, I was put off travelling to Barnet by fans of other clubs. There is no need to treat Barnet fans badly on Saturday  - just don't go to their place again and I'm sure they'll get the message eventually.
To not go their place because the police and stewards are not the best would be very odd
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on February 27, 2015, 06:20:13 PM
Spoke to a barnet fan on the phone yesterday.

He was asking about admission, segregation etc.

He also said that given how all away fans seem to be treated at Barnet he is surprised but grateful that most clubs are more "grown up" than them and don't penalise the ordinary fans.

It seems that their Chairman is universally unpopular, even with his own Club's supporters - it tends to get overlooked when they are doing well but heaven help him if they start to struggle
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: bighairedmike on February 27, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
Spoke to a barnet fan on the phone yesterday.

He was asking about admission, segregation etc.

He also said that given how all away fans seem to be treated at Barnet he is surprised but grateful that most clubs are more "grown up" than them and don't penalise the ordinary fans.

It seems that their Chairman is universally unpopular, even with his own Club's supporters - it tends to get overlooked when they are doing well but heaven help him if they start to struggle

What was your answer?
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: BeesKnees on February 28, 2015, 12:03:52 AM
As a Barnet fan I am truly sorry that you were not treated as you deserve.  The actions (or rather over-reactions)  of police and the hired stewards has been embarrassing and disappointing on occasion, doing the club and fans no favours.  If some of you feel the need to pick on me and those of us that make the trip then so be it.   I'm sure that if that is the case then I would be as disappointed as you have been and opt not to come again as i'm sure some of you have done for the Hive and that would be a shame.  All of us as fans should be able to go to games without fear of arrest or victimisation (Something i have made clear to my own club, although I'm not convinced they have much influence over the police or the hired security at the Hive).

I think the opinion you have gained that the Chairman is universally unpopular isn't a true one and it would be closer to the truth to describe him as marmite.  Most are grateful to him for building a sustainable club through off field revenue, while some will never forgive him for moving the club away from Barnet.  One thing is sure and that is many of us remember Flashman abandoning the club and almost killing it altogether and are glad that the Chairman has put us in a position where that cannot happen.   A misconception is that he is some kind of Nazi overlooking his empire, he is actually a fairly pleasant guy who helps out in the bar when it's busy and many have been served by him and chatted to him without realising who he is, BUT (and it's a big BUT)  it is his club, he does listen to others but it is always clear that he makes the calls.  He has an absolute hatred of reporters and has done for many years, a few years back we had a well respected reporter that dealt the press for him but since his death the relations have become more and more strained and it is a problem.  TK has been our chairman for over 20 years and I very much doubt you will see a huge outpouring of hatred towards him if we struggle anymore than we already are.  If you want to work out why our chairman and the Non league paper dont get on then look for a Vanarama add in their paper ( I am led to believe that our chairman advised them to save money by not advertising as previous conference sponsors have done and intsead use the money through promotion on social media).
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: arnald on February 28, 2015, 07:35:00 AM
My first viewing  of Barnet since the famous  4-1,  I'm happy to welcome  there fans it's a
long way and all that ,but sadly there going home very upset  with no points
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 28, 2015, 08:18:42 AM
As a Barnet fan I am truly sorry that you were not treated as you deserve.  The actions (or rather over-reactions)  of police and the hired stewards has been embarrassing and disappointing on occasion, doing the club and fans no favours.  If some of you feel the need to pick on me and those of us that make the trip then so be it.   I'm sure that if that is the case then I would be as disappointed as you have been and opt not to come again as i'm sure some of you have done for the Hive and that would be a shame.  All of us as fans should be able to go to games without fear of arrest or victimisation (Something i have made clear to my own club, although I'm not convinced they have much influence over the police or the hired security at the Hive).

I think the opinion you have gained that the Chairman is universally unpopular isn't a true one and it would be closer to the truth to describe him as marmite.  Most are grateful to him for building a sustainable club through off field revenue, while some will never forgive him for moving the club away from Barnet.  One thing is sure and that is many of us remember Flashman abandoning the club and almost killing it altogether and are glad that the Chairman has put us in a position where that cannot happen.   A misconception is that he is some kind of Nazi overlooking his empire, he is actually a fairly pleasant guy who helps out in the bar when it's busy and many have been served by him and chatted to him without realising who he is, BUT (and it's a big BUT)  it is his club, he does listen to others but it is always clear that he makes the calls.  He has an absolute hatred of reporters and has done for many years, a few years back we had a well respected reporter that dealt the press for him but since his death the relations have become more and more strained and it is a problem.  TK has been our chairman for over 20 years and I very much doubt you will see a huge outpouring of hatred towards him if we struggle anymore than we already are.  If you want to work out why our chairman and the Non league paper dont get on then look for a Vanarama add in their paper ( I am led to believe that our chairman advised them to save money by not advertising as previous conference sponsors have done and intsead use the money through promotion on social media).

Good post, and please be assured I wish barnet supporters no ill, and hope you enjoy your visit. My comments come across as churlish, but that is only as id like barnet supporters to be a bit more vocal about what's clearly a problem at the hive. I'm no soft touch and have watched football in far worse places, but I'd genuinely think twice about going back after this years experience
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RedhillAlty on February 28, 2015, 08:21:53 AM
As a Barnet fan I am truly sorry that you were not treated as you deserve.  The actions (or rather over-reactions)  of police and the hired stewards has been embarrassing and disappointing on occasion, doing the club and fans no favours.  If some of you feel the need to pick on me and those of us that make the trip then so be it.   I'm sure that if that is the case then I would be as disappointed as you have been and opt not to come again as i'm sure some of you have done for the Hive and that would be a shame.  All of us as fans should be able to go to games without fear of arrest or victimisation (Something i have made clear to my own club, although I'm not convinced they have much influence over the police or the hired security at the Hive).

I think the opinion you have gained that the Chairman is universally unpopular isn't a true one and it would be closer to the truth to describe him as marmite.  Most are grateful to him for building a sustainable club through off field revenue, while some will never forgive him for moving the club away from Barnet.  One thing is sure and that is many of us remember Flashman abandoning the club and almost killing it altogether and are glad that the Chairman has put us in a position where that cannot happen.   A misconception is that he is some kind of Nazi overlooking his empire, he is actually a fairly pleasant guy who helps out in the bar when it's busy and many have been served by him and chatted to him without realising who he is, BUT (and it's a big BUT)  it is his club, he does listen to others but it is always clear that he makes the calls.  He has an absolute hatred of reporters and has done for many years, a few years back we had a well respected reporter that dealt the press for him but since his death the relations have become more and more strained and it is a problem.  TK has been our chairman for over 20 years and I very much doubt you will see a huge outpouring of hatred towards him if we struggle anymore than we already are.  If you want to work out why our chairman and the Non league paper dont get on then look for a Vanarama add in their paper ( I am led to believe that our chairman advised them to save money by not advertising as previous conference sponsors have done and intsead use the money through promotion on social media).

What a load of crap! Typical Southern attitude in that nothing is ever a problem or issue as long as it affects someone else.
So its not the fault of Barnet FC how their hired stewards and police behave, when unlike Alty and most conf clubs we do it ourselves.
Interesting to know that it is your Chairman that serves drink/food at ridiculously inflated rates in your bar, but as you say he is a good bloke for doing so. And if it wasnt for Stan you would be in the Ryman North or with the do do bird and never made to the FL.
Maybe you should contact ATS and the others on this forum that seem to think our treatment at the Dive acceptable, and ask them for the special hospitality you seem to expect/deserve and ask for a cut price pint out of the money they save from not going to away games.
I didnt see any of your fans or officials attempting to address the issues at Edgeware.
 
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Jimmy on February 28, 2015, 09:27:48 AM
Nobody said the treatment was acceptable
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: BeesKnees on February 28, 2015, 09:36:02 AM
It is absolutely the club's problem and I hope they look at alternatives to what they currently have, although getting rid of the Met police could prove tricky.  It is no surprise to me that those clubs currently using external stewarding companies are those who treat fans poorest and my club is absolutely guilty of that, it is certainly not something I am proud of.  As OB has also pointed out they are not always bad , it's more that they let us down too often.  
The Grimsby game is a good example, 99% of Grimsby fans thought the stewards and police were excellent and on the day took to twitter and they own forum to praise them, but one steward let the side down and soured it for everyone.  I emailed the club urging them to sort this kind of thing out and contacted Harrow police urging them to drop the charges, but really I feel pretty helpless and I doubt my contact will seriously have much effect.

London beer prices are around £4 and the Hive charges no different, although I'm really not sure what that has to do with it, my point was more that he is accessible to fans and does listen.  We have always been in and around the top tier of non-league, even before a national conference was formed so while I may agree with you that promotion to league 2 would've been highly unlikely, I very much doubt Ryman North would be our fate.

I expect no special hospitality, just somewhere to stand will do me fine.   Anyway that's my lot or I will miss the game, let's all hope for a decent game.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Nom de plume on February 28, 2015, 09:43:50 AM
As a Barnet fan I am truly sorry that you were not treated as you deserve.  The actions (or rather over-reactions)  of police and the hired stewards has been embarrassing and disappointing on occasion, doing the club and fans no favours.  If some of you feel the need to pick on me and those of us that make the trip then so be it.   I'm sure that if that is the case then I would be as disappointed as you have been and opt not to come again as i'm sure some of you have done for the Hive and that would be a shame.  All of us as fans should be able to go to games without fear of arrest or victimisation (Something i have made clear to my own club, although I'm not convinced they have much influence over the police or the hired security at the Hive).

I think the opinion you have gained that the Chairman is universally unpopular isn't a true one and it would be closer to the truth to describe him as marmite.  Most are grateful to him for building a sustainable club through off field revenue, while some will never forgive him for moving the club away from Barnet.  One thing is sure and that is many of us remember Flashman abandoning the club and almost killing it altogether and are glad that the Chairman has put us in a position where that cannot happen.   A misconception is that he is some kind of Nazi overlooking his empire, he is actually a fairly pleasant guy who helps out in the bar when it's busy and many have been served by him and chatted to him without realising who he is, BUT (and it's a big BUT)  it is his club, he does listen to others but it is always clear that he makes the calls.  He has an absolute hatred of reporters and has done for many years, a few years back we had a well respected reporter that dealt the press for him but since his death the relations have become more and more strained and it is a problem.  TK has been our chairman for over 20 years and I very much doubt you will see a huge outpouring of hatred towards him if we struggle anymore than we already are.  If you want to work out why our chairman and the Non league paper dont get on then look for a Vanarama add in their paper ( I am led to believe that our chairman advised them to save money by not advertising as previous conference sponsors have done and intsead use the money through promotion on social media).

What a load of crap! Typical Southern attitude in that nothing is ever a problem or issue as long as it affects someone else.
So its not the fault of Barnet FC how their hired stewards and police behave, when unlike Alty and most conf clubs we do it ourselves.
Interesting to know that it is your Chairman that serves drink/food at ridiculously inflated rates in your bar, but as you say he is a good bloke for doing so. And if it wasnt for Stan you would be in the Ryman North or with the do do bird and never made to the FL.
Maybe you should contact ATS and the others on this forum that seem to think our treatment at the Dive acceptable, and ask them for the special hospitality you seem to expect/deserve and ask for a cut price pint out of the money they save from not going to away games.
I didnt see any of your fans or officials attempting to address the issues at Edgeware.
 

Seems like a decent bloke to me.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RedhillAlty on February 28, 2015, 11:13:58 AM
Stockport County employ an outside security firm and they were magnificent both home and away against us last season.
And the credit goes to Stockport County FC.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RockyRobin on February 28, 2015, 03:29:02 PM
How responsibility can be handed away by saying they are a security firm is laughable.

They are BFC's contractors, manage them so or terminate the contract.

If this doesn't happen then it is therefore the will of BFC for them to act in this manner.
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: RedhillAlty on March 01, 2015, 06:02:12 PM
I wasnt at the game yesterday.
Were Barnet fans put in the away end, for the whole match and did it rain?
Title: Re: After our dreadful treatment at barnet
Post by: Altyrocket on March 01, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
There was a bit of rain, not much really. If it had been heavy rain, and the Barnet fans allowed in the sterile area, think there may have been a bit of a "fuss" by the home supporters.