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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Timperley The Best on August 21, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
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Article on the main website
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What a complete load of bollocks by Waterson. ::) ::) ::)
It will never happen in our present state.
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But isn't the whole point that they are trying to change our present state?
Personally, I believe f/t football at Moss lane is a long way off, but at least the board are showing ambition.
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This statement of intent is positive and ambitious, but (sensibly) also contains a healthy dose of pragmatism. We can't go full-time (and thus compete at a higher level) without the resources and infrastucture to sustain this.
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It’s a very positive step that we are thinking about it and releasing statements outlining this. Suspect to be fair that Parky has had a hand in pushing this too.
However, with our current support levels (decent as they are for this level) and accompanying turnover, I’d say without a significant outside cash injection we could not be viable as a FT club. I don’t know how much of a % of our income is generated by events in the CSH but suspect we are still dependant to a large extent on our match day income which I’d imagine we’d want an average of say 1500+ to begin thinking seriously about FT.
All those romantic stories about the likes of Macc & Accrington, as we all know they are propped up by the largesse of a benefactor. I do hope we can move towards a viable FT model as we all dream of one day Alty taking a place in the FL & it has been so frustrating watching all these clubs go past us but not sure with our current set up as to how we could achieve this.
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What a complete load of bollocks by Waterson. ::) ::) ::)
It will never happen in our present state.
What a ridiculous post.
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What a complete load of bollocks by Waterson. ::) ::) ::)
It will never happen in our present state.
Which is the whole point of the statement, to investigate what state we would need to be in to go full time. Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Agree with the other posts about needing a cash injection or somebody to underwrite the losses for it to be realistic in the first place.
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good article, much appreciated being kept in the loop as to the current thinking in the club
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What a complete load of bollocks by Waterson. ::) ::) ::)
It will never happen in our present state.
Do me a favour and point to the part where it states we’re making a transition tomorrow.
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Very much appreciate the update. I think it's important that we decide what we want to be as a club and then (hopefully) work towards it if it is viable. Speaking to other clubs seems vety sensible too. We don't want to be going into this with our eyes closed.
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Good to see we have ambition still and will proceed cautiously.
One day hopefully in my lifetime we will make it to the football league, we have knocked on the door several times I can remember, but times have changed and being part time makes it near enough impossible these days.
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What a complete load of bollocks by Waterson. ::) ::) ::)
It will never happen in our present state.
I think that's a bit of an unfair reaction VoD to be fair.
It was only a statement to say that the club is dipping it's toe into the water to assess the future possibility of going FT.
I don't think we will be paying 20 quid at the turnstiles next Monday. Nor do I think that Dawn Abbot will be knocking out Prawn Sarnies anytime soon.
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If it was to happen for next season I'm not sure many of the current squad would go full time .Have we got more than three or four players who could play at conference national level?
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I appreciate it only says we are talking about how we could get to full-time status, rather than implementing it tomorrow, it 100% has to be the long term aim, and perhaps there are better ways of expressing concern than VoD managed above. But if that same statement was issued by another club in our current position then, based on previous reactions, I’m sure there would be plenty on here rushing to borrow Ian Foden’s high horse to point fingers and ridicule.
We are going to go from a mid-table part-time regional side, with no money to strengthen in the summer, to a full-time side with Football League aspirations? As positive as that sounds, it’s quite a jump, and little wonder it would cause nervousness for some (alongside excitement for others) given that we STILL haven’t even achieved the cash-injection to make us an affluent/competitive part-time side yet.
Bit surprised it wasn’t accompanied by an update regarding the majority shareholding (The Shares That Will Not Be Spoken Of) that is supposedly available for sale, or an update on the latest plan from the board to push this publicly? Because this is what is needed for us to move to a successful full-time model.
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Bill Waterson on BBC Radio Mcr 18:50.
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Massive FA Cup run needed as I've said before.
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I do wonder if people posting negative comments about Bill's article have actually read it properly. They clearly haven't understood it.
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Massive FA Cup run needed as I've said before.
It would only help for so long though. It would give hard cash and impetus for a while but then the money would just run out. I'd love a big cup run as much as any fan but we couldn't sustain full time football for more than probably a couple of seasons at most because of it. History shows too that having a pay day in the cup is no guarantee of long term security.
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My view is that once investment or a cup run gives us the budget for a few years a serious analysis needs to be considered as to how the best part time team money can buy stacks up against probably the worst full timers or promising youth who could develop with full time training......I'd guess pretty similar but the full time option gives more potential with a good manager?
it's not irreversible but I'd guess could be trialled for 2 years with 2 years contracts and reviewed...
I think if you get into the FL you get about £750k?....which would make that sustainable....
I'm guessing the difference between full and part time budget has to be minimum £250K pa??
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Just dont follow the Soutport , Guiseley , Stalybridge examples /
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Massive FA Cup run needed as I've said before.
It would only help for so long though. It would give hard cash and impetus for a while but then the money would just run out. I'd love a big cup run as much as any fan but we couldn't sustain full time football for more than probably a couple of seasons at most because of it. History shows too that having a pay day in the cup is no guarantee of long term security.
Burton ? Crawley ? But more relevantly the publicity from a run to Round 3 and that golden payday is the perfect way to get the club in the public eye and attract substantial investment.
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Massive FA Cup run needed as I've said before.
It would only help for so long though. It would give hard cash and impetus for a while but then the money would just run out. I'd love a big cup run as much as any fan but we couldn't sustain full time football for more than probably a couple of seasons at most because of it. History shows too that having a pay day in the cup is no guarantee of long term security.
Burton ? Crawley ? But more relevantly the publicity from a run to Round 3 and that golden payday is the perfect way to get the club in the public eye and attract substantial investment.
Not sure about Burton but Crawley had someone ploughing money in.
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Burton were fortuitous enough to have a massive cup run, shortly followed by another great one - and reinvested the money into developing assets that will generate long term, reliable income. That's what we're looking to do, with or without the cup run.
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Burton were fortuitous enough to have a massive cup run, shortly followed by another great one - and reinvested the money into developing assets that will generate long term, reliable income. That's what we're looking to do, with or without the cup run.
Burton were in their revenue earning new stadium by the time they faced United, crowds had grown by a fair amount and they were benefitting massively from the Nigel Clough effect at that time. There's no doubt that the cup run gave them a huge boost but their infrastructure and profile was already much stronger than ours currently is. I'd put Burton as the model club to follow, cup run or not.
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Burton, Crawley and Exeter all played an fa cup tie at old Trafford, all were in the football league soon after
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I know for sure that Exeter played Manchester United twice following a drawn game at OT. My friend from Exeter left his car on my drive and got the tram. He could not believe they had drawn.
Think Burton drew as well (at home?).
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At last, the “strategic review” becomes strategic and looks beyond the 5 year timeframe which shackled its terms of reference. These discussions should have happened years ago. In my view, sustainable full time football will require a new stadium, so let’s get moving with it.
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At last, the “strategic review” becomes strategic and looks beyond the 5 year timeframe which shackled its terms of reference. These discussions should have happened years ago. In my view, sustainable full time football will require a new stadium, so let’s get moving with it.
What would the new stadium bring? Bear in mind it would probably be further out of town and not as near anything residential. I say improve what we have and use our location to our benefit, which is now happening to be fair.
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What would the new stadium bring?
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The following:
- a new vision for the Club
- new ownership
- new leadership.
And that’s just for starters...
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Burton were fortuitous enough to have a massive cup run, shortly followed by another great one - and reinvested the money into developing assets that will generate long term, reliable income. That's what we're looking to do, with or without the cup run.
Perhaps some of that generated income should be spent on fan retention, potential to build a fan base rather than continually replace those that leave
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What would the new stadium bring?
The following:
- a new vision for the Club
- new ownership
- new leadership.
And that’s just for starters...
And less fans... ridiculous idea