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Title: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on March 29, 2023, 12:03:00 PM
Huge game, already have nerves.

                                         Byrne

MWH          J.Jones              Baines          E.Jones

                     Marriott             Lundstram

Hulme                        Oyedele                      Sinclair

                                     Hugill

Subs : Ferguson, Osborne, Bennett, Gould, Perritt, Pringle & Burgess
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on March 29, 2023, 12:13:17 PM
I wonder if Hugill will be available.United have an academy game on Friday.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: SammyH8 on March 29, 2023, 12:14:55 PM
Yep also nervous already.

Same team but think I would go Ferguson over J.Jones.

Come on.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on March 29, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
I wonder if Hugill will be available.United have an academy game on Friday.

Think United would want him involved in such an intense game. Best way to improve him.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on March 29, 2023, 12:16:30 PM
I wonder if Hugill will be available.United have an academy game on Friday.

As they are mid-table with seemingly nothing to play for I would hope that they are sensible and allow him to gain the experience of playing in an FA Trophy semi-final.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on March 29, 2023, 12:31:28 PM
Same team as the op.

Do worry about us scoring goals tbh.

Alty 1-0 Halifax (Hulme)
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on March 29, 2023, 01:09:48 PM
Same team as the op.

Do worry about us scoring goals tbh.

Alty 1-0 Halifax (Hulme)

Yeah me too. That's why Sinclair is important.
Hugill doing OK but I thought he would be deadly.
Think Hugill will grab one on Sat.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on March 29, 2023, 01:24:20 PM
Two evenly matched sides.Hope it doesn't  go to penalties but fear it will.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on March 29, 2023, 01:26:55 PM
I think Parky might be tempted to go with the same back four as last night, to be honest.

Hugill will probably start - but if he's not firing after an hour it might be worth putting Ty up there, putting Burgess on the right and Jordan on the left.

Having Maxi back will be huge for us.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on March 29, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
Huge game, already have nerves.

                                         Byrne

MWH          J.Jones              Baines          E.Jones

                     Marriott             Lundstram

Hulme                        Oyedele                      Sinclair

                                     Hugill

Subs : Ferguson, Osborne, Bennett, Gould, Perritt, Pringle & Burgess

I agree with this, it won't be far from this barring injuries/availability.

Getting a little nervous as we all tend to do.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on March 29, 2023, 03:20:16 PM
As above, I'd like Burgess to get more than 10.

Osborne Burgess Ferguson for legs later on
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on March 29, 2023, 03:24:43 PM
Alty 23/20
Draw 12/5
Halifax 21/10
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on March 29, 2023, 04:18:55 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on March 29, 2023, 04:19:31 PM
Tickets for away end still on sale on their club website. Surprised by that.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on March 29, 2023, 04:22:32 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

I like them both but prefer Perritt. He's also our player and not on loan (for what that's worth)
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on March 29, 2023, 04:42:13 PM
Tickets for away end still on sale on their club website. Surprised by that.
Most seem to think they have about 100 tickets left. If so I guess they will sell out soon.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on March 29, 2023, 04:46:18 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

Miles gives us far more going forward, than HP.

Same with EJ behind Colclough, Hulme isn't as driving as most wingers so we can be a bit flat on the right
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on March 29, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

I like them both but prefer Perritt. He's also our player and not on loan (for what that's worth)

Exactly my view - I thought Perritt was excellent last night.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on March 29, 2023, 06:01:00 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

Miles gives us far more going forward, than HP.

Same with EJ behind Colclough, Hulme isn't as driving as most wingers so we can be a bit flat on the right

EJ's probably a bad example... he's flourished in Coco's absence because he used to moan at him all the time!
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on March 29, 2023, 06:04:22 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

Miles gives us far more going forward, than HP.

Same with EJ behind Colclough, Hulme isn't as driving as most wingers so we can be a bit flat on the right

EJ's probably a bad example... he's flourished in Coco's absence because he used to moan at him all the time!

I got the impression that Coco was helpful in the development of Eddie Jones by talking to him. Jones has improved as the season has progressed
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on March 29, 2023, 06:40:24 PM
Tickets for away end still on sale on their club website. Surprised by that.
Not sure they've gone on general sale - the site still says season ticket holders only, which might explain why they haven't sold the last remaining few.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on March 29, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
That website they are selling them on is odd. It’s been saying 10 adults tickets in stock since they went on sale
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on March 29, 2023, 08:25:24 PM
I think the starting 11 will be very similar (maybe even identical) to the quarter final.

Personally, I'd prefer MWH at right back but I think Perritt will be selected.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Seth on March 29, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
Welch-Hayes is deffo better going forward. But I think Perritt had his best game so far yesterday and was decent at York
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on March 29, 2023, 09:41:06 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't get the fuss around Miles Welch-Hayes? He's been decent but the way people go on, you'd think he was the reincarnation of Cafu.

I'd go with Harry Perritt again.

Don't think long term MWH is the answer, but he offers us a lot more than Perritt and with the lack of wingers, he is the better choice.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: ianpickles on April 01, 2023, 08:33:08 AM
Nerves
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Strong summer needed on April 01, 2023, 08:42:00 AM
3-0
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on April 01, 2023, 09:45:48 AM
3-0
3-0 after 10 minutes to settle the nerves followed by a goal every 10 minutes after that so I  can begin to enjoy the day.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on April 01, 2023, 11:09:51 AM
I’m feeling good about today.

3-1 to The Alty..

Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on April 01, 2023, 11:20:03 AM
Two evenly matched sides.Hope it doesn't  go to penalties but fear it will.
Please no. Hopefully home and dry after 90. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on April 01, 2023, 11:34:25 AM
4-1 to Alty
(Hulme 3, inc 1 pen.) (Sinclair).  Warburton consolation for them near the end.
HT 1-0
Attendance: 4,842

1st half facing the Scoreboard End.

Sinclair's goal will be a cracker and will set us on our way.  Jordan and his team mates will completely demolish them in the 2nd half.

I almost sent my family nuts playing this last evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEvRofrt8Vk

 
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on April 01, 2023, 11:38:37 AM
4-1 to Alty
(Hulme 3, inc 1 pen.) (Sinclair).  Warburton consolation for them near the end.
HT 1-0
Attendance: 4,842

1st half facing the Scoreboard End.

Sinclair's goal will be a cracker and will set us on our way.  Jordan and his team mates will completely demolish them in the 2nd half.

I almost sent my family nuts playing this last evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEvRofrt8Vk

I like the cut of your jib sir! 😉
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: hsmith1 on April 01, 2023, 02:33:50 PM
Byrne,welsh-hayes,j.jones,ferguson,e.jones,baines,lindstrom,marriott,oyedele,hulme,hugal
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on April 01, 2023, 02:51:47 PM
Three at the back again then.

I suspect the thinking is that only Linney is strong enough to lead the line on his own - midfield looks solid enough with the three of them, so we're not compromising there.

No disrespect to Hugill but I think I might have been tempted to have Sinclair up top with Jordan.

I hope Hugill proves me wrong.

COME ON ALTY.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on April 01, 2023, 04:02:58 PM
That was glorious. Bloody Jordan Hulme!!! They're going to throw everything at it second half but it didn't look like they had much in the tank and we're shooting towards the Golf Road end. Come on Alty!!!!!

Meanwhile, Gateshead are thrashing Barnet at the mo...
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: altyusa on April 01, 2023, 05:15:40 PM
Absolutely brutal…..brutal!
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on April 01, 2023, 05:22:53 PM
Where to start with that.

Parky's got to be making the subs earlier - he's stubborn as hell and the lads were dead on their feet at the end.

Alli was giving Jones a torrid time, and he's carrying a booking. Surely it would have been better to bring on Harry Perritt given he shut everything down so well on Tuesday night?

Hugill for Sinclair should have been done earlier too - with a fresh head he would have buried one of those chamces that Hugill missed. Instead he's bringing him on cold for the penalty shootout.

And then the flare... wow. Why should we be penalised for their own fan throwing a flare on the pitch? The game's a full 90 seconds over the allotted time by that point, surely it wasn't stopped for that long?

I'm heartbroken and I'm so angry.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: AussieShaymen on April 01, 2023, 05:51:46 PM
Where to start with that.

Parky's got to be making the subs earlier - he's stubborn as hell and the lads were dead on their feet at the end.

Alli was giving Jones a torrid time, and he's carrying a booking. Surely it would have been better to bring on Harry Perritt given he shut everything down so well on Tuesday night?

Hugill for Sinclair should have been done earlier too - with a fresh head he would have buried one of those chamces that Hugill missed. Instead he's bringing him on cold for the penalty shootout.

And then the flare... wow. Why should we be penalised for their own fan throwing a flare on the pitch? The game's a full 90 seconds over the allotted time by that point, surely it wasn't stopped for that long?

I'm heartbroken and I'm so angry.

We didn't deserve that, if I'm being honest. My only concern from your perspective was that you were allowing us to have the ball too much in 2nd half. If you had stayed in front foot you probably would have won that game. Commiserations to you. You didn't deserve that.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on April 01, 2023, 05:57:44 PM
Gutted.
Very angry about the flare business.
It's happened though so I'm off to stew for a while before I post again. 😔
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mick on April 01, 2023, 05:58:37 PM
I could talk about time played, the flare that bought them more time, the poor pens, the lack of fresh legs etc........but we lost because we need 6 chances to score a single goal.

Proper pissed off tonight
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on April 01, 2023, 06:05:29 PM
Hard to take especially the manor of the defeat . No police presence from what I could see.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on April 01, 2023, 06:07:44 PM
The reason Parky ain't managing in the league and he will, is subs. Sinclair on at 75 would have stretched them, corner possession.
But, we sat and paid again.
It was harsh l, but Sinclair for either striker would have won us that.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Wilmslow Alty on April 01, 2023, 06:14:07 PM
Hard to take especially the manor of the defeat . No police presence from waht I could see.
Police were outside the ground. Reminded a few Halifax lads of their presence when they tried to goad Alty fans who were just walking up the road. That was about all I saw of any trouble.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: that man showler on April 01, 2023, 06:25:54 PM
Angry,frustrated were do you start with that no better opportunity to reach Wembly a game that should never have reached penalties but if you don't put your chances away you don't win football matches at least 5 opportunities to finish them off in the 2nd half none taken,yes the game was over by the time the halifax equaliser arrived but for the Flair thrown onto the pitch and stopping the game.
Going to stop there and clear my head so near yet so far it hrts like hell but we will be back.
Last point can we actually try and by a  threatening goal scorer next season.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 01, 2023, 06:32:12 PM
Angry,frustrated were do you start with that no better opportunity to reach Wembly a game that should never have reached penalties but if you don't put your chances away you don't win football matches at least 5 opportunities to finish them off in the 2nd half none taken,yes the game was over by the time the halifax equaliser arrived but for the Flair thrown onto the pitch and stopping the game.
Going to stop there and clear my head so near yet so far it hrts like hell but we will be back.
Last point can we actually try and by a  threatening goal scorer next season.

Agree with all that tbh but nobody is going to convince me that a penalty shootout with the nets being lifted at the back while the kicks are being taken is valid.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on April 01, 2023, 06:37:26 PM
Not to have scored 3 or 4 is why we're not going to Wembley.


Finish the season now please, i can't be arsed
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mick on April 01, 2023, 06:48:58 PM
Blew it....no recognised Conference quality frontline bites us on the arse again
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 01, 2023, 07:02:34 PM
The reason Parky ain't managing in the league and he will, is subs. Sinclair on at 75 would have stretched them, corner possession.
But, we sat and paid again.
It was harsh l, but Sinclair for either striker would have won us that.

To be absolutely honest, I could not believe that he didn't bring Tyrese on. Both our strikers were spent by 70 minutes.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on April 01, 2023, 07:23:39 PM
Not going to mention the game. Today however, just highlighted the ineptitude of the stewards. That firm isn’t fit for purpose you may as well have asked those under 9 lads who were flag bearers to do it.

I shall now go and cancel my booking I had made in Harrow for the 21st  of May
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Ukrainian Alty on April 01, 2023, 07:44:18 PM
nobody is going to convince me that a penalty shootout with the nets being lifted at the back while the kicks are being taken is valid.

The penalty kicks were indeed not valid.  I have no doubt that the evidence has been recorded along with the flare incident also perpetrated by their supporters in an attempt to disrupt the game (which they did to their ultimate benefit).

The nets were being clearly interfered with by a significant number of their fans before, during and after penalties were taken and it was clear to everyone that the referee failed to take any action.

Check out FA Laws of the game. Law 14 - The Penalty Kick
"The ball must be stationary on the penalty mark and the goalposts, crossbar and goal net must not be moving".
 

However, according to the FA, the referees decision is always final so I don't think we will be appealing this..   
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on April 01, 2023, 07:57:20 PM


Will we ever have a better opportunity to get to Wembley after such an interminable absence?

That was a textbook example of how to shoot yourself in the foot by squandering so many chances during that second half to put the game to bed at 2-0.

It felt as if the Halifax supporters were seconds from booing their team off and I suspect that they cannot comprehend quite how they have managed to emerge as the victors.

With the exception of Osborne, our penalty kicks were (almost inevitably) dreadful.

Wycombe at Moss Lane in 1991 was painful enough but, in truth, it was a game that we deserved to lose.

Today was ineffably excruciating.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: b23 on April 01, 2023, 08:28:09 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on April 01, 2023, 08:33:18 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
. sh*te and pointless post
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mick on April 01, 2023, 08:42:18 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
Yes.....we should be grateful we got to the semi
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on April 01, 2023, 08:42:49 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
Yes.....we should be grateful we got to the semi

Boring
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: oneedham on April 01, 2023, 08:43:23 PM
Love being second best
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Mick on April 01, 2023, 08:53:13 PM
Turn your irony filter on Ollie
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: b23 on April 01, 2023, 09:00:46 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
Yes.....we should be grateful we got to the semi


Not what I said.....
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: b23 on April 01, 2023, 09:03:13 PM
Some perspective please...we could have won that one nil and then what would people on here be saying??

No wonder some of the platers and staff don't like the forum


If the ref had blown earlier for full time we would have gone through
. sh*te and pointless post

If the ref had blown earlier and we had won would the same old moaners be on here with the same old rubbish....We played well today but did not finish them off..that's football. Presume you will all be boycotting the rest of thexseason as we are so bad....
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 01, 2023, 09:15:53 PM
nobody is going to convince me that a penalty shootout with the nets being lifted at the back while the kicks are being taken is valid.

The penalty kicks were indeed not valid.  I have no doubt that the evidence has been recorded along with the flare incident also perpetrated by their supporters in an attempt to disrupt the game (which they did to their ultimate benefit).

The nets were being clearly interfered with by a significant number of their fans before, during and after penalties were taken and it was clear to everyone that the referee failed to take any action.

Check out FA Laws of the game. Law 14 - The Penalty Kick
"The ball must be stationary on the penalty mark and the goalposts, crossbar and goal net must not be moving".
 

However, according to the FA, the referees decision is always final so I don't think we will be appealing this..

The FA are as useless as today's stewards but the club should 100% appeal and send video footage as evidence.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on April 01, 2023, 09:19:41 PM
There's no point in appealing, it would be an absolute first in football if anything were to actually happen.

And yes of course we're allowed to moan if we're not learning from the same mistakes week in week out - the very same player equalised against us in very similar circumstances at the Shay - and on that occasion he turned James Jones inside out too.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 01, 2023, 09:25:58 PM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: that man showler on April 01, 2023, 10:05:01 PM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.

Don't think we will appeal it TBH and IF we did and IF we were successful how do you resolve the issue,kick Halifax out of the competition,replay the game or just retake the penalties.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 01, 2023, 10:12:16 PM
I've never seen a penalty shootout before where there was a clear breach in the netting (bottom left of the goal). The top middle of the netting was also being moved around significantly. The footage should be reviewed and presented to the referee. My belief is that (following the events around their goal) he quite literally froze. The Halifax supporters should have been removed from the area immediately behind the goal when it became obvious they were interfering with the netting.

What the f*** were the stewards doing? They should be fired.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Is this it? on April 01, 2023, 11:57:00 PM
Law 14 makes it absolutely clear that the netting should not be moving when the kick is taken; there is no ambiguity.  If the Club do appeal 9and they surely must) and the FA don't take action (as I'm sure they won't because they are spineless) two question have to be asked, 'what is the point of the Law?' and 'What level of interference would mean the penalty could not be taken?'  The ref had the option to retake the pen, but chose not to; I expect that was more to do with trying to avoid an increasingly volatile situation developing among the away support.  Disgraceful officiating.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on April 02, 2023, 08:15:54 AM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.

Don't think we will appeal it TBH and IF we did and IF we were successful how do you resolve the issue,kick Halifax out of the competition,replay the game or just retake the penalties.
I would imagine the FA would take swift and hard hitting action to impose a hefty fine on the club who staged the game for failing to control the crowd in a safe and appropriate manner.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Is this it? on April 02, 2023, 09:22:37 AM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.

Don't think we will appeal it TBH and IF we did and IF we were successful how do you resolve the issue,kick Halifax out of the competition,replay the game or just retake the penalties.
I would imagine the FA would take swift and hard hitting action to impose a hefty fine on the club who staged the game for failing to control the crowd in a safe and appropriate manner.
Regrettably, I think that you may be correct.  However, I imagine the ref could have stalled proceedings (and moved the shootout to the other goal?) or had the kick retaken; he did neither.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 02, 2023, 09:35:05 AM
Yes. Probably correct unfortunately.

The ref froze. He'll be sat somewhere in the full knowledge that he froze.

Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: alty.fc on April 02, 2023, 09:58:42 AM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.

Don't think we will appeal it TBH and IF we did and IF we were successful how do you resolve the issue,kick Halifax out of the competition,replay the game or just retake the penalties.
I would imagine the FA would take swift and hard hitting action to impose a hefty fine on the club who staged the game for failing to control the crowd in a safe and appropriate manner.
I fear you are correct and I do hope that the company that were "stewarding" the game cover the cost in full as they failed to carry out what they were employed to deliver
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: HashtagAlty on April 02, 2023, 11:55:10 AM
An utter farce, my 1 bucket list item of seeing my team at Wembley ruined by underspending on stewards.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Bangor on Dee Robin on April 02, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
Absolutely gutted, proud and disappointed for the lads and us as fans.

What a roller coaster we have at Alty, its never boring that's for sure.

Keep the faith and we'll see what the future brings.

Progression now in all aspects of the club, looks good. I wouldn't swop it for the anything  :D
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: that man showler on April 02, 2023, 12:29:52 PM
Reason for not been at Wembley  is we did not convert our clear cut chances  End off.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Strong summer needed on April 02, 2023, 01:24:47 PM
Chill. We'll win the chesh
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on April 02, 2023, 02:25:02 PM
Chill. We'll win the chesh
Indeed. Should we have rotated yesterday and protected for Tuesday night?
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on April 02, 2023, 03:06:58 PM
Chill. We'll win the chesh
Indeed. Should we have rotated yesterday and protected for Tuesday night?

I think we did. Won't Linney be back on Tuesday to fire us to victory! 😉
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Randy Konk on April 02, 2023, 03:30:31 PM
Understandably gutted regards yesterday but I don’t blame the players, management, tactics, ref or Halifax fans. It’s a cruel game sometimes. I felt we played well and but for some sharper finishing and a couple of solid saves from their keeper would be heading to Wembley next month.

The appropriate reaction to this is to take 1000 to Oldham next Friday and stick 3 goals past them…
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: JTH on April 02, 2023, 03:42:55 PM
In my 50+ years of watching the club I think those last few minutes are probably the most disgraceful scenes I've witnessed in terms of a referee surrendering control of a football match. It's not a question of a subjective decision it's a clear refusal to apply the laws of the game. Whatever the the arguments of missed chances etc the very least our players should expect from officials is a fair contest. It is without dispute this wasn't the case in the penalty shoot-out.

Let's also be very clear here, if the shoe was on the other foot, this forum would be full of people wanting to identify the flare thrower, those interfering with the nets and worrying about what the FA would do. As one who had to dodge flying concrete blocks at The Shay in 1975 I won't hold my breath that there's a similar inquest in Halifax.
 
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Bri on April 02, 2023, 03:49:37 PM
In my 50+ years of watching the club I think those last few minutes are probably the most disgraceful scenes I've witnessed in terms of a referee surrendering control of a football match. It's not a question of a subjective decision it's a clear refusal to apply the laws of the game. Whatever the the arguments of missed chances etc the very least our players should expect from officials is a fair contest. It is without dispute this wasn't the case in the penalty shoot-out.

Let's also be very clear here, if the shoe was on the other foot, this forum would be full of people wanting to identify the flare thrower, those interfering with the nets and worrying about what the FA would do. As one who had to dodge flying concrete blocks at The Shay in 1975 I won't hold my breath that there's a similar inquest in Halifax.
 

I wouldn't bother too much about Halifax; they looked like a club in terminal decline at pretty much every level.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on April 02, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
nobody is going to convince me that a penalty shootout with the nets being lifted at the back while the kicks are being taken is valid.

The penalty kicks were indeed not valid.  I have no doubt that the evidence has been recorded along with the flare incident also perpetrated by their supporters in an attempt to disrupt the game (which they did to their ultimate benefit).

The nets were being clearly interfered with by a significant number of their fans before, during and after penalties were taken and it was clear to everyone that the referee failed to take any action.

Check out FA Laws of the game. Law 14 - The Penalty Kick
"The ball must be stationary on the penalty mark and the goalposts, crossbar and goal net must not be moving".
 

However, according to the FA, the referees decision is always final so I don't think we will be appealing this..

The FA are as useless as today's stewards but the club should 100% appeal and send video footage as evidence.

The same bad attitude steward from the Notts County game and on reception for the Oldham game insisted I turn out my pockets before entering the stadium. I am assuming the same courtesy was not extended to some of the FC Halifax supporters. Whilst I acknowledge they have a hard jobs, some of heir actions  smack of poor planning and a bad attitude (and by the way maybe cost us the game). Obviously I'd like some replaced, though whether that would change anything, I don't know. If onlywe could have people connected with the club stewarding, as in the pas, and possibly paid for the job. The club might pay to put supporters through training for the job. That's what we should at least be workiing towards, unless of course there is some obstacle. When I was stewarding, the first thing you did was put yourself between opposing sets of fans. Not v. Notts they didn't, or not until too late. Get it sorted or some people might not be coming back.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on April 02, 2023, 05:44:37 PM
I couldn't disagree with that more.

It's a clear and obvious breach of the FA's own rules. The club should at the very least, review the footage before making a decision. The nets were being lifted up while the kicks were being taken - I am surprised that more people didn't notice.

I thought that people were not supposed to stand next to the fence during the game at the Chequers End. Why did the stewards allow this?
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: StaffsAlty on April 02, 2023, 06:09:33 PM
I am intrigued as to what the purposes of the stewards at the games is.
Last three games i have been ‘wanded’ at the Golf Rd end with 2 phones and big bunch of keys in my pocket plus significant amount of change in my pocket and not once has the ‘alarm’ gone off on the ‘wand’ - was it turned on??
Then we have at the Notts game 2 stewards stood watching fans smoking in the GR end without intervening ( under the impression the stadium is no smoking) incl last couple games the ‘wiff’ of cannabis being smoked.
Having been stood in the GR End since the i started watching Alty in the late 70’s, i am finding the stewards horrendous and dont see why they are there - certainly not effective in crowd control if that is their purpose. In most cases they look as if sone ine says ‘boo’ then they will run a mile - as i suspect happened at the away end. If we have to have some form of stewards / crowd control and we have to pay for it then we need to be getting value for money - the current providors are not.
The suggestion of the club investing in its fanbase to help with stewarding could be advantageius when we go to away matches as we could ‘self-police’ as the home stewards would know which of our fans to watch out for - though pleased to say i dont believe we have a trouble making element - never had ….. we’d rather ‘f&&k than fight we’re the Alty fusilers’!!
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Knutty robin on April 02, 2023, 07:11:58 PM
Since returning to the Alty flock 3 seasons ago I have loved every minute of it and proud to share with friends who have also become hooked.  One a Liverpool season ticket holder who comes when they aren't at home.   They are all amazed at the standard of football and love the family feel of the club. The only gripe is the facilities.  If we want to attract more supporters then improving them is a must.  We had to watch the chequers end goal through discoloured perspex in the main stand
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on April 02, 2023, 07:18:07 PM
I understand that improving the fanzone is a priority for the board. For me a minimum would be a roof and opening the pod to sell food. I believe it may also be expanded.

Great stuff about the Liverpool fan (though I suspect he wouldn't have enjoyed yesterday's pre-match entertainment)! What a wonderful way Alty have of bringing people together from different clubs and backgrounds.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on April 02, 2023, 07:25:16 PM

An utter farce, my 1 bucket list item of seeing my team at Wembley ruined by underspending on stewards.



Not ruined but merely postponed, surely...?
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: swindellsworth on April 02, 2023, 07:56:20 PM
Too stunned to comment on the game, youv'e said it all on here anyway . Instead i will reflect on the ' curse ot the cup ' , an affliction that has surrounded the club for over a quarter of a century , ever since the Spurs game in 95 to be precise . Our record in the two major knock out comps since then has been horrendous considering what went on before . Injury time equalisers , defeats , sendings off , runs of continuous away draws , massive upsets by total minnows etc etc ,etc .   Bela Guttman , the manager who lead Benfica to 2 European Cup wins in the 1960's , put a curse on them when he eventually got the sack that they would never again taste European success , they haven't !
 More seriously how much bloody longer will this terrible record go on .
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: swindellsworth on April 02, 2023, 08:03:00 PM
Just to add that yesterdays was probably the worst to bear in all those 27 + years .
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Saughall Robin on April 02, 2023, 08:04:20 PM
It'll be alright by Tuesday night mate 😉
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: swindellsworth on April 02, 2023, 08:22:54 PM
" Oh no it won't "   😩🤣
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Sarf London Alty on April 02, 2023, 08:51:59 PM
Absolutely crushed but glad I went out into Alty post game & had a few beers, helped to talk it through with the rest of the lads.

Lots for the club to learn from on & off the pitch yesterday & we’ve generally been quick learners in the last few seasons.

Priority for me is to sign up some of these loanees & put a club update once the season has finished on plans for improvement of the ground. Much to do & we can’t stand still.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: rorysgrandad on April 02, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Halifax Highlights on Alty TV. Too soon. Can't watch.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Hugh on April 02, 2023, 11:07:37 PM
I have just watched it. I can confirm that from this it is clear that as others have stated there are lots of FC supporters stood against the pitch-side barrier during the shootout, and stewards pitch side of the fence, seemingly not interested (for example at 15:15), and, particularly for the last penalty (15:45) FC supporters are clearly interfering with the net. It would be nice if these clowns could do something about people who actually break ground rules and interfere with the match in progress, rather than blaming victims of unprovoked assaults (which they fail to prevent or do anything about) for their being assaulted. Hard to disagree with the chant at the end on Saturday. Where is "rules are rules" when you need it? Missed chances notwithstanding, utterly shafted.
Title: Re: Semi Final - Halifax Match Thread
Post by: Alty Dave on April 03, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
First time I felt like posting, still miffed. Having watched the highlight's and listened to Lewis and Bill on Pastries in the morning.

Game we should have won in normal time, we can all see that. We need to be more clinical. We've said it most of the season. I'm proud of how we played.

I won't talk about the flare others have covered it to death and I agree over the time ref ads on. But the infringement of the nets and putting our players off should not have been allowed by the referee, apparently he was close to swapping ends, it was discussed. Shame he didn't. But surely we should appeal to the FA, the worst they can say is no case to answer.

Bill said we need to move on, I'll try but it's still raw. I'll be at Runcorn tomorrow.