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Altrincham chairman Grahame Rowley has brought forward the announcement of a new manager, in order to give him the maximum time to stamp his mark on the club's fortunes. Here, joint press and media officer John Edwards speaks to Rowley and the new man at the helm, Neil Young.
Altrincham have appointed a manager with an enviable list of contacts and proven record for winning promotion after announcing Neil Young as successor to Lee Sinnott at The J.Davidson Stadium.
A statement was initially scheduled for Monday, but following the bodyblow of relegation from the Vanarama National League, chairman Grahame Rowley stepped up the selection process and completed it within 24 hours of a bitterly-disappointing 3-0 defeat at Braintree.
Eager to draw a line under recent events and herald a new era in Alty's fortunes, Rowley relayed his decision to the three unsuccessful candidates on a four-man shortlist, including caretaker-manager Neil Tolson, and confirmed ex-Chester boss Young as the new man in charge.
Young's assistant will be former Tranmere, Nottingham Forest and Grimsby forward Gary Jones, and he made it clear he will waste no time shaping a squad capable of challenging for an instant return to non-League football's top tier.
'The work starts today,' said Young, who steered Cammell Laird and Colwyn Bay to promotion before reeling off three successive championships with Chester. 'The challenge is to find the right players to take this club forward, and coming into the position this early gives me the opportunity to recruit the ones we need.
'With Halifax going down and Salford coming up, it's going to be an incredibly tough league next season, particularly from the point of view of recruiting in the Manchester area. It will probably be the most competitive league for a long time, but I love a challenge and can't wait to get stuck in.
'I played against Altrincham numerous times (for Vauxhall Motors) and it was always a ding-dong battle. They were always great games, as they were when I faced Alty as Chester manager. This is a special place, a special club with a fantastic fan base, and I feel really honoured to be placed in charge of the team.
'There are decisions that have to be made, and I want to get on with them, because we have to give ourselves the best chance of going into the season with a squad equipped to go straight back up. That has to be within the structure of the budget, and I want to make informed decisions about the players already here.
'All but four of them are out of contract, so I need to form opinions pretty quickly. I've seen several Altrincham games this season and I watched yesterday's game on television, and while there was a lot of disappointment surrounding it, there are lads here with a lot of Conference North and Conference National experience who can form the basis of a good squad.
'Some people might expect me to come in and rip everything up, but I'll look carefully at the budget and the players we've got over the next couple of days before deciding the way forward. Those decisions will be made, though. I've got good contacts in the game, both in the professional and semi-professional ranks, and I do think it's important to have the right characters in the dressing room.
'We may find there are seven or eight clubs chasing those type of players, but I won't be wasting any time trying to bring them to Altrincham. This is a really exciting opportunity for me and Gary, and we can't wait to get started.'
Rowley reflected on a traumatic experience, on a personal level, at Braintree, following verbal attacks by some supporters, and outlined the qualities that gave Young the edge over the other three frontrunners for the job.
'It was an awful day for the club and for me personally,' he said. 'Some of the things that were said were not on. My wife was in tears, because she thought I was going to lamp someone, but I've gone past those days. Even so, it was hurtful, and my car was the quietest it has ever been on the way home.
'It was just a horrible day, one of the worst of my life. Neil Tolson suffered abuse that was totally out of order. We were all upset, and I can understand some anger, but perhaps it should have been vented on the players, not the manager. He was being pilloried over the line-up, but would anyone seriously have changed a team that had just won 5-0?
'It was such a dreadful day, I decided I may as well get all the bad stuff out of the way, so I saw Neil and Matt Doughty afterwards and told them they hadn't got the job. It wasn't the easiest thing I've had to do.
'But it was important to act decisively and quickly, and that's why I'm announcing Neil Young as our new manager at the earliest opportunity. He came across as being very professional in his approach, and it soon became clear he was someone who could take us forward. His attention to detail shone through when he spoke about what he wanted from players and creating the right atmosphere in the dressing room. He stressed he wanted personalities in there, not just good players but characters.
'He wants players he can depend on, ones who will die for the club, and it was clear he does a lot of research into who fits the bill and who doesn't. His record speaks for itself as well - five promotions in six years is no mean feat.
'It was the end of an era yesterday, but it's the start of a new one today, with a new man at the helm. I feel positive about the future.'
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Hey Hey My My!
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Well done Graham, more than happy with this, and thanks for reflecting my thoughts about what happened yesterday.
All my colleagues/fellow fans; this is a great appointment and backs up all I have said about Graham and his response to yesterday.
Well done to Graham and all the board and thanks for your shrewd response - carry on!
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Well, at face value it looks to be a shrewd appointment - very shrewd actually. It is a shame it wasn't made a few months ago, but now is for looking forwards, not backwards. Welcome to Alty Neil and Gary.
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I think it is a decent appointment - the fresh faces we needed. Time to move forward and get ready for next season.
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Agreed Rooney1, forgot my manners; welcome to Alty from me also and all the best- like your view and am encouraged by your enthusiasm.
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Welcome to Alty FC. Neil and Gary.
Well done Grahame. Rowley for acting so swiftly.
Onwards and Upwards.
Lets get behind the Club.
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Hear hear Big Edd, fell much much happier now.
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Welcome to Alty Neil and Gary and congratulations to the Board and Grahame especially for acting so decisively.
I'm really pleased with this great news after the horrible day that was yesterday. Really encouraged as it looks like exactly the kind of leadership we need to get back on track as soon as possible.
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Good luck to Neil and Gary I reckon we could see a few scosurers playing next season which is usually a good thing.The Manchester market for players has a lot of competition.Possibly the no nonsense scouser some have wanted
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I think it is a decent appointment - the fresh faces we needed. Time to move forward and get ready for next season.
As a regular reader of Stockport County's forum, fresh faces is something we will definitely get. 48 players used by County last season and the majority were during Young's time there. Loanees in for a game or two and then sent back to their clubs. Oh and he even signed the dreaded Kevin Holsgrove at the start of the season but he did send him out on loan before the league games actually started!
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Welcome to the club and good luck.
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I think it is a decent appointment - the fresh faces we needed. Time to move forward and get ready for next season.
As a regular reader of Stockport County's forum, fresh faces is something we will definitely get. 48 players used by County last season and the majority were during Young's time there. Loanees in for a game or two and then sent back to their clubs. Oh and he even signed the dreaded Kevin Holsgrove at the start of the season but he did send him out on loan before the league games actually started!
Stockport are a poisoned club. Politics galore.
I'd look to his 66% win rate at Chester, and 62% at Colwyn Bay.
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The County team he built from scratch we all 6'2'' plus. His philosophy was big strong direct football. As it was an epic fail I sincerely hope he has re-thought this idea.
Good luck and welcome to Alty
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I think it is a decent appointment - the fresh faces we needed. Time to move forward and get ready for next season.
As a regular reader of Stockport County's forum, fresh faces is something we will definitely get. 48 players used by County last season and the majority were during Young's time there. Loanees in for a game or two and then sent back to their clubs. Oh and he even signed the dreaded Kevin Holsgrove at the start of the season but he did send him out on loan before the league games actually started!
Stockport are a poisoned club. Politics galore.
I'd look to his 66% win rate at Chester, and 62% at Colwyn Bay.
Stockport definitely look like they are getting it together now under Jim Gannon and I reckon anyone finishing above them will win the league (that will probably be Salford). I hope Young can replicate his Chester and Colwyn Bay success but I worry about any manager who gives a player like Kristian Dennis away to a club in a higher league and agrees to pay half his wages as well.
Underwhelmed is the word I'm looking for I think but at least he has to be a better alternative to Tolson.
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Chester then went on to win the league title, breaking several league records along the way, achieving the most wins (33), fewest defeats (3), the most points (107), the most goals scored in a season (103) and the best goal difference (+71). Chester also broke the record for the longest unbeaten streak (30). They also won the Cheshire Senior Cup.
Looks to take Cheshire Cup serious, so he will do for me!
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Chester views, all positive
http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=83023
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Wonder who the 2 other unsuccessful candidates were?
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Wonder who the 2 other unsuccessful candidates were?
W. Thorley I believe was one of them
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Quite a few of that successful Chester team now ply their trade in the Welsh league. I wonder if NY still has any of their numbers?
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Wonder who the 2 other unsuccessful candidates were?
W. Thorley I believe was one of them
Gutted😀‼️
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After the anger of yesterday more about me being a one team football fan and alty die hard when not working .ile give any one
A chance who no's the game
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But I'm gutted its not wayno :'(
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Chester views, all positive
http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=83023
They thought a lot of him.
Good luck to the new team👍
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He gets full support from me like what I see
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Wonder who the 2 other unsuccessful candidates were?
W. Thorley I believe was one of them
ha ha .. ps stop ignoring my messages x
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Hey Hey My My!
This appointment opens the door to so many musical references.
Let's hope that our new manager comes in like a hurricane and brings us some ragged glory after Neil Tolson and the damage done.
The slogan for Alty's 2016/17 season: Neil Young & Promise Of The Real (Madrid).
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Good luck Neil & Gary. Someone who has done it all at that level before and I like the cut of his jib in that interview. Number of times after games this season people have questioned on here our players attitude and commitment and unfavourably to past players (e.g. Maddog, Val Owen, Eddie Hussin etc) is striking so I like the focus on getting the balance on that side too. He did fail at Stockport but then I think Pep Guardiola would, that club a mess from top to bottom. Let's see now who we bring in but a good first step by the board in what will be a big summer.
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So an the immediate appointment of a new manager has been done which is what most on this forum wanted - and in my opinion the right thing to do.
Maybe some can now get off Grahame's back and let the new manager move us forward.
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Welcome fella's
Maybe time for someone with that funny sort of passion you get in Glasgow and Liverpool
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Could be worse....the retained list will tell us a lot.
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So an the immediate appointment of a new manager has been done which is what most on this forum wanted - and in my opinion the right thing to do.
Maybe some can now get off Grahame's back and let the new manager move us forward.
the new manager could have moved us forward six weeks ago
This ones been out of work since January - fair appointment, but all to late, the damage has been done
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Maybe he can make a difference stop the anger
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Good appointment. Pleased with this.
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Welcome Neil, I hope you do well at Alty. I'm not expecting instant success but getting to the playoffs would be a good target.
And getting Clee fit and retaining him along an inspired Reevesy would be a good move if you agree.
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Any of those not happy or dubious about the appointment point to who else we could have got? I suspect Burr only wants conf national football. NY seems to be exactly what we wanted, experience, local good knowledge, I expect it to take 3 years to get up but for us to have a go straight away
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I'm only dubious of the appointment based on his performance at Stockport with such a turnover of players and to be honest, they were heading for relegation prior to his departure. And this, on his own admission, was after spending the previous season watching Stockport most weeks so he supposedly knew what was required.
I guess there weren't too many options, Shaun Reid possibly, the fella at Curzon maybe but both perhaps a little too inexperienced at this level for our requirements. I would imagine that Steve Burr would have required a far bigger budget than we were offering besides the National League requirement.
All in all, probably the best available option so I wish him well and I'm at least happy in the knowledge that surely one of his teams will not put in such a spineless and gutless performance as we witnessed yesterday. Hopefully he will also be able to find a couple of midfield players who can tackle and pass the ball to a team mate.
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Good Luck Neil and Gary, welcome to Alty.
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Any of those not happy or dubious about the appointment point to who else we could have got? I suspect Burr only wants conf national football. NY seems to be exactly what we wanted, experience, local good knowledge, I expect it to take 3 years to get up but for us to have a go straight away
Don't get me wrong.
You say Burr.
What NL team would he want, or take him on?
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I didnt want burr I was saying it seems he is the other logical alternative.
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Happy a decision has been made swiftly and announced.
I want to move forward now in harmony, the past is past, hoping everyone gets behind Neil and accepts that everyone makes mistakes and on the whole our club is being moved forwards and we can get back to the national league within a couple of years......
as ecky said, leave the politics to fcum :)
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In addition could we have beaten chester to young or have they appointed already?
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In addition could we have beaten chester to young or have they appointed already?
They've not appointed
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I guess the only downside for me, is that Neil Young has a very very poor fa cup and trophy record from what I can see.
However, if we bounce straight back I wouldn't mind too much
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Well pleased with this appointment, seems to be just what we need and glad to see they acted quickly after the debacle on Saturday. Just seems a shame it wasn't done a few weeks ago and maybe we could have stayed up.
I think Reevesy has gone, for me I really want Clee and Masha to stay in addition to the others who have contracts.Masha will be perfect for this league if he gets back to fitness. At the back, we need replacements for Luca and Griffin who have been bang average the last few weeks. We could really do with someone like Cav in the middle of the park, missed him badly this season. Up front, assuming we will lose Ranks, Reevesy and Crowther we will need a total revamp.
Shout out to Gino and Marcus, they have been excellent for me on loan and they both gave everything in the cause. Really hope Gino makes it, nice lad and with a great attitude.
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I can't help feeling that it was an error of judgment to include those paragraphs relating to the chairman's reported experience at Braintree within the press release that announced the appointment of Neil Young.
If the chairman wished to make an issue about any perceived incident(s) with some of the club's paying supporters, then I think it would have been more appropriate if he were to have submitted a separate statement for inclusion on the Altrincham FC website rather than shoehorn such comments into a piece which should have comprised nothing other than a entirely positive account of the advent of a new era for the club.
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spot on^ - was no need.
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I am glad the new man has been appointed swiftly, let's hope he can start to build a strong squad quickly and we hit the ground in conference north running
COME ON ALTY
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I can't help feeling that it was an error of judgment to include those paragraphs relating to the chairman's reported experience at Braintree within the press release that announced the appointment of Neil Young.
If the chairman wished to make an issue about any perceived incident(s) with some of the club's paying supporters, then I think it would have been more appropriate if he were to have submitted a separate statement for inclusion on the Altrincham FC website rather than shoehorn such comments into a piece which should have comprised nothing other than a entirely positive account of the advent of a new era for the club.
Another error of judgement? Will it ever end?
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I can't help feeling that it was an error of judgment to include those paragraphs relating to the chairman's reported experience at Braintree within the press release that announced the appointment of Neil Young.
If the chairman wished to make an issue about any perceived incident(s) with some of the club's paying supporters, then I think it would have been more appropriate if he were to have submitted a separate statement for inclusion on the Altrincham FC website rather than shoehorn such comments into a piece which should have comprised nothing other than a entirely positive account of the advent of a new era for the club.
I also thought this. What the appointment of a new manager has got to do with personal disagreements the chairman had with supporters on Saturday I don't understand. Two completely separate issues and to link the two in one official statement about our new boss is a poor show and reflects badly on the club. I also note from that statement the comments about Tolson getting unwarranted abuse, I heard the players get a fair bit too but ultimately the buck stops with the manager. Personally with no away league wins for nearly 6 months I think the management got off lightly compared to what they may have got elsewhere.
Anyway time to move on now and see what the new management team are about.
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Sounds to me like John Edwards passed on a piece to John Laidlar in which he included a bit of personal chat with Grahame........
Could have been split into two separate articles but I think we'd be splitting hairs there....the official website is an appropriate forum for club officials to say how they feel surely?
Both sides need to move on now, everyone's vented their feelings....
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Sounds to me like John Edwards passed on a piece to John Laidlar in which he included a bit of personal chat with Grahame........
Could have been split into two separate articles but I think we'd be splitting hairs there....the official website is an appropriate forum for club officials to say how they feel surely?
Both sides need to move on now, everyone's vented their feelings....
If you read my original post, you will see that I don't dispute that.
But why include that entirely separate matter in a piece that is being so widely distributed?
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...because he'd had a bad day (as had we all) and he wasn't able to review the press release with a completely dispassionate logical mind - not terribly surprising really. If this was his only mistake I doubt it would have attracted comment. No one's perfect and I doubt he has had extensive media training that would have helped him here (and I wouldn't want the club or GR to have to pay for that either) .
This was a crap season (barring Barnsley) but tomorrow is a new day, let's put the past behind, us accept the situation we are in and be grateful for the bits of that situation we like (we might win some games next year) and acknowledge we can't change the bits we don't like (2Q round of FA Cup) and move on together.
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Grahame didn't write that report.....John Edwards did and probably e-mailed it to John Laidlar who dutifully copied and pasted it.
Grahame probably asked to have the new manager announced and John added the interview/quotes with Neil Young and then added the personal comments from Grahame....bit of journalistic licence...
I'm guessing if a curt "Neil Young has been appointed, Neil Tolson has been relieved of his duties" message had appeared some would have complained about a lack of information!!....as happened when the curt "Altrincham fc have parted company with Lee Sinnott " piece appeared.....
I agree...it's two separate articles......I haven't fully checked the spelling yet :) :)
Most important thing is the board have acted and bought in on the face of it a qualified manager.......and we have been informed.....as a bonus we get a supplementary piece about the chairman's feelings...the only downside being if that piece gets copied and pasted into the general media and we look a club in disarray with factions....which could have been picked up had it been a separate article under the headline "Club chairman hits back at fans" :)
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Returning to the original thread, one thing I'd forgotten about Neil Young from the County forum is that he seems to have good contacts with Everton. He had a number of young players on loan from them and a couple of them early in the season were very highly rated on the forum. Wouldn't say no to a couple or so of their released youngsters, we didn't do too bad with our last one, Dens.
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I can't help feeling that it was an error of judgment to include those paragraphs relating to the chairman's reported experience at Braintree within the press release that announced the appointment of Neil Young.
If the chairman wished to make an issue about any perceived incident(s) with some of the club's paying supporters, then I think it would have been more appropriate if he were to have submitted a separate statement for inclusion on the Altrincham FC website rather than shoehorn such comments into a piece which should have comprised nothing other than a entirely positive account of the advent of a new era for the club.
Er, how was it an error of judgement? The chairman wanted his say on events at Braintree. That was entirely understandable, but I argued the headline for any piece should be the appointment of a new manager. A positive piece, and the one item of news every supporter wanted to hear about. He agreed with that, and, accordingly, Neil Young's quotes formed the main thrust of the article. Are you seriously suggesting it was wrong to then add the chairman's observations about Braintree on the end? Why? It all related to why Neil Tolson didn't get the job and why Neil Young did. At least, it was all part of the same subject. Don't forget, Grahame said, amidst it all, he fronted up Tols and Matt Doughty and told them they hadn't got the job. That's all part of the story. And let's not have any of this nonsense about anything negative in the main article being picked up by the media. It would have been picked up anyway. I know for a fact the Manchester Evening News monitor our website. It's in the public domain. If anything, a separate piece, with a headline along the lines of chairman having a go at fans, would have had an even greater chance of making it into the papers. The general response to the piece on the website yesterday was gratifyingly positive. What a shame then that you saw fit to pick fault with it. Even worse, you've provided ammunition for the usual suspects to come out with tiresomely predictable stuff like 'another error of judgement' etc, etc. There are times when I despair, and this is one of them.
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
Sorry, I can't hear you from way up there on that high horse.
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
YOU SANCTIMONIOUS GIT
The person you are slagging off, as you well know, is the person who regularly writes articles for the Alty programme. ::)
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
Sorry, I can't hear you from way up there on that high horse.
Neigh lad.....
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this is what happens when you come out of your kitchen , get back in there because all of you crying like women for silly tit for tat comments is unbelievably sad cult and mr edwards both do a lot for the club and at times may disagree with each other ... you are aloud to have different opinions ever stalwarts as these two gentlemen are , the rest of you are just looking for a fight so please on behalf of the silent majority and from the bottom of my arse STFU i hope you all have a great close season and i hope most of you are able to remove your heads from your arses
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I can't help feeling that it was an error of judgment to include those paragraphs relating to the chairman's reported experience at Braintree within the press release that announced the appointment of Neil Young.
If the chairman wished to make an issue about any perceived incident(s) with some of the club's paying supporters, then I think it would have been more appropriate if he were to have submitted a separate statement for inclusion on the Altrincham FC website rather than shoehorn such comments into a piece which should have comprised nothing other than a entirely positive account of the advent of a new era for the club.
Er, how was it an error of judgement? The chairman wanted his say on events at Braintree. That was entirely understandable, but I argued the headline for any piece should be the appointment of a new manager. A positive piece, and the one item of news every supporter wanted to hear about. He agreed with that, and, accordingly, Neil Young's quotes formed the main thrust of the article. Are you seriously suggesting it was wrong to then add the chairman's observations about Braintree on the end? Why? It all related to why Neil Tolson didn't get the job and why Neil Young did. At least, it was all part of the same subject. Don't forget, Grahame said, amidst it all, he fronted up Tols and Matt Doughty and told them they hadn't got the job. That's all part of the story. And let's not have any of this nonsense about anything negative in the main article being picked up by the media. It would have been picked up anyway. I know for a fact the Manchester Evening News monitor our website. It's in the public domain. If anything, a separate piece, with a headline along the lines of chairman having a go at fans, would have had an even greater chance of making it into the papers. The general response to the piece on the website yesterday was gratifyingly positive. What a shame then that you saw fit to pick fault with it. Even worse, you've provided ammunition for the usual suspects to come out with tiresomely predictable stuff like 'another error of judgement' etc, etc. There are times when I despair, and this is one of them.
John,
Thank you for your response.
I also found the majority of that press release to be "gratifyingly positive".
However, I just felt that some of the chairman's comments (e.g. "she thought I was going to lamp someone but I've gone past those days") did jar somewhat with the largely progressive tone of the piece.
That's all.
Please don't despair.
I think that we've all had more than enough of experiencing that particular emotion this season.
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Personally I think it needed to be completely separate, we can't even announce a new manager without getting the old violin out. It makes no sense and it confused me when I read it, kind of like "oh, that's a bit bad, and I'd like to hear more about this, but why am I having this thrown on me when I'm trying to gain information about our new appointment." It just didn't make sense to me. I felt very positive reading the article and Neil Young's comments. The tone is perfect and it is very informative. I'm just not too sure why the tone had to change with the inclusion of events post-Braintree. They're just not relevant to the headline. You can't expect it to not put a downer on things. It's a negative subject, that's natural. People come away from the article with a negative topic to discuss as a result...
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Personally I think it needed to be completely separate, we can't even announce a new manager without getting the old violin out. It makes no sense and it confused me when I read it, kind of like "oh, that's a bit bad, and I'd like to hear more about this, but why am I having this thrown on me when I'm trying to gain information about our new appointment." It just didn't make sense to me. I felt very positive reading the article and Neil Young's comments. The tone is perfect and it is very informative. I'm just not too sure why the tone had to change with the inclusion of events post-Braintree. They're just not relevant to the headline. You can't expect it to not put a downer on things. It's a negative subject, that's natural. People come away from the article with a negative topic to discuss as a result...
Especially if we're discussing new era's and drawing a line etc.
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It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't these days, it would appear.
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There are just too many people wanting to over analyse everything at the moment.
Go have a holiday, watch the Euro,s and comeback for a fresh start.
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Its not over analysing at all.
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There are just too many people wanting to over analyse everything at the moment.
Go have a holiday, watch the Euro,s and comeback for a fresh start.
Well said - it's been done to death now, mistakes have been made - but the club will survive, and it needs our support.
Looking forward to talking about the Euros now to be honest - and then looking at the first-class squad we've assembled :)
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Euro election?
would not have thought that worth talking about on here!!!
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Euro election?
would not have thought that worth talking about on here!!!
Could be very interesting!!!!!!!
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watmore money?
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That looks more like Ballers to me....!
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
YOU SANCTIMONIOUS GIT
The person you are slagging off, as you well know, is the person who regularly writes articles for the Alty programme. ::)
I have no issue with Cult at all, typical of you to get it wrong.
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Please dont despair John, the vast majority of Alty fans greatly appreciate the work you and many other genuine club volunteers do.
You always get a few rotten apples in every barrel and some of them post their tripe on here,... and when times get tough it often brings out the worst in some people.
And you know who you are.
YOU SANCTIMONIOUS GIT
The person you are slagging off, as you well know, is the person who regularly writes articles for the Alty programme. ::)
I have no issue with Cult at all, typical of you to get it wrong.
I don't think I did on this occasion.
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Whilst I dont always agree with Cult, he usually offers intelligent debate and isnt always negative.
However there are some people who are tiresomely predictable and rarely offer anything but negativity and/or personal abuse or attacks on genuine people who care greatly for this club, often spending many hours of their own time and effort without reward to help the club in many ways,.... these people do not deserve this criticism and whilst I dislike getting embroiled, there are times when, on an open forum, I feel they need defending by the genuine fans.
John Edwards can see that, so can I. Can you VofD or are you one of the "usual suspects" ?
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Whilst I dont always agree with Cult, he usually offers intelligent debate and isnt always negative.
However there are some people who are tiresomely predictable and rarely offer anything but negativity and/or personal abuse or attacks on genuine people who care greatly for this club, often spending many hours of their own time and effort without reward to help the club in many ways,.... these people do not deserve this criticism and whilst I dislike getting embroiled, there are times when, on an open forum, I feel they need defending by the genuine fans.
John Edwards can see that, so can I. Can you VofD or are you one of the "usual suspects" ?
Whatever, FFS.
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Thought so.
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Whilst I dont always agree with Cult, he usually offers intelligent debate and isnt always negative.
However there are some people who are tiresomely predictable and rarely offer anything but negativity and/or personal abuse or attacks on genuine people who care greatly for this club, often spending many hours of their own time and effort without reward to help the club in many ways,.... these people do not deserve this criticism and whilst I dislike getting embroiled, there are times when, on an open forum, I feel they need defending by the genuine fans.
John Edwards can see that, so can I. Can you VofD or are you one of the "usual suspects" ?
Spot on Pukka👍