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Title: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 17, 2016, 11:06:41 AM
Must win game one Saturday now with Borehamwoods improving form. If junior isn't going to be fit we need a right back in on emergency loan, that formation last night simply didn't work, pray to the Lord Simon richman isn't badly hurt and available to play, but it didn't look good.

................................Deasy
Sinnott(loanee)....Holness...Leather...Griffin
Crowther..Moult..Richman(O'Keefe)...Ginnelly
.........................Lawrie
..........................Reeves

Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 17, 2016, 11:24:21 AM
If we have to start O'Keefe in the engine room we're screwed.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 17, 2016, 02:45:42 PM
Saturday's fixtures

Chester v Kidderminster
Welling v Wrexham
Halifax v Grimsby
Borehamwood v Torquay
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 19, 2016, 09:02:57 AM
I wonder what rabbits can be pulled out of hats with no Sinnott Jnr or Richman? Is Havern fit could we play three CBs?
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 19, 2016, 09:27:46 AM
http://tinyurl.com/j8tkptj
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 19, 2016, 09:31:44 AM
If no sinnott I'd play David Brown at rb.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 19, 2016, 09:48:18 AM
What about 3 centre backs and griffin as a sweeper?
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Guiseley ripped us apart when we played 4-4-2 against them back in August. I know it was way back at the start of the season but lets not take any chances, especially considering how Chester walked through us on Tuesday night. Five midfielders are a must, 4-5-1 or 3-5-2.

I'd much rather us play 4-5-1 because when it comes to tracking back I don't trust Ginnelly (although he works hard) and Crowther one bit. We'd be slaughtered on the wings. Worst case scenario and we're missing Havern, Sinnott and Richman then for me it has to be:

Deasy

Leather, Holness, Heathcote, Griffin

Crowther, O'Keefe, Moult, Lawrie, Ginnelly

Reeves


Pretty much the team Figgy names, but I highly doubt we'll be making another loan signing so Scott at RB makes the most sense. That is what I'd go with but I don't expect us to, Margetts will probably be in the team for a start. Having just one of the three doubtful players available would be huge.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: shelmers on February 19, 2016, 10:25:53 AM
Desperately need a right back in on loan...rather not have to play Heathcote at all ... in my opinion he isn't good enough and is playing well above his level .. we will ship many goals with him starting at centre back
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
We never had enough defenders at the start of the season
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ripleym on February 19, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
The biggest issue first half against Chester was the diagonal balls played in behind Scott, which then pulled Sam out of position.  They played this ball time and again, so they clearly worked out we had a CB at RB and exploited it.

We should therefore play either Leather and Holness as a pair, to ensure there is experience there, 3 CBs or an extra man in midfield if we don't also have a recognised RB.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 11:09:21 AM
We never had enough defenders at the start of the season

Three competent centre-halves in Havern, Marshall and Leather. Back up to them in Heathcote.

Two starting full-backs in Densmore and Griffin. Back up to them in the form of squad members who can 'do a job': Sinnott, Moult, Clee and Griffith.

Don't think we could have asked for much more than that at the start of the season, to be honest.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
Sinnott moult and clee are all midfielders and Heathcote is inexperienced we basically started a season with 5 defenders and s lad from the youth team,I did say this in August
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
Sinnott moult and clee are all midfielders and Heathcote is inexperienced we basically started a season with 5 defenders and s lad from the youth team,I did say this in August

We started 2014/2015 with Densmore, Havern, Leather, Marshall, Griffin and Williams. Effectively five then considering Williams' retirement, five in 2015/2016. The difference this season has been the unfortunate injuries. We don't have the purchasing power to run a squad that includes more defenders. Cover at full-back has been a neglected luxury for as long as I can remember supporting us.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 19, 2016, 11:31:23 AM
If no sinnott I'd play David Brown at rb.
... assuming he's registered with the league, which I don't know, it's certainly worth considering.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 19, 2016, 12:15:53 PM
If no sinnott I'd play David Brown at rb.
... assuming he's registered with the league, which I don't know, it's certainly worth considering.

He was at start of season, so I'm assuming he still is.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 02:41:04 PM
Sinnott moult and clee are all midfielders and Heathcote is inexperienced we basically started a season with 5 defenders and s lad from the youth team,I did say this in August

We started 2014/2015 with Densmore, Havern, Leather, Marshall, Griffin and Williams. Effectively five then considering Williams' retirement, five in 2015/2016. The difference this season has been the unfortunate injuries. We don't have the purchasing power to run a squad that includes more defenders. Cover at full-back has been a neglected luxury for as long as I can remember supporting us.
last season we were incredibly lucky with injuries and yes we don't have the purchasing powers but still we managed to have 5 central midfield players
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
Sinnott moult and clee are all midfielders and Heathcote is inexperienced we basically started a season with 5 defenders and s lad from the youth team,I did say this in August

We started 2014/2015 with Densmore, Havern, Leather, Marshall, Griffin and Williams. Effectively five then considering Williams' retirement, five in 2015/2016. The difference this season has been the unfortunate injuries. We don't have the purchasing power to run a squad that includes more defenders. Cover at full-back has been a neglected luxury for as long as I can remember supporting us.
last season we were incredibly lucky with injuries and yes we don't have the purchasing powers but still we managed to have 5 central midfield players

Because central midfield players are naturally more versatile and can cover a lot of different positions if needs be. The same can't be said about defenders, for the most part. The squad Lee put together made sense to me, the way he's dealt with losing members of the squad is questionable though. That's something I've openly criticised on here.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
Out of all the midfielders Iv only seen Nicky clee be any good and that was a wing back and years ago also Scott is not a good right back
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 19, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
Out of all the midfielders Iv only seen Nicky clee be any good and that was a wing back and years ago also Scott is not a good right back

Moult is ok at rb.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 03:13:53 PM
Must be a game I haven't seen
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: MadFrankie on February 19, 2016, 04:57:18 PM
Rain forecast for Saturday afternoon. Wonder where the Guiseley fans will be located?
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ManagementGuru on February 19, 2016, 05:08:07 PM
They seemed to be quite happy stood in the rain for 120+1 minutes the last time at Moss Lane.  And in numbers too!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 05:08:41 PM
They will have about 100 so it might not need segregation
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 05:12:32 PM
Out of all the midfielders Iv only seen Nicky clee be any good and that was a wing back and years ago also Scott is not a good right back

It's not their job to be 'good' there though is it? They just need to be capable of filling in and keeping their head down, something Sinnott Jr. has done fairly well this season to his credit. It's not ideal but it's necessary when competing at this level. Better players means bigger wages, which in turn means we can't fill out the squad with bodies to cover every position. The money is spent on the quality needed to compete.

I'm talking about the odd injury there though, this season we've had a crisis beyond anything most of us could have expected... and I think we left it a bit late in terms of freshening the squad up.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 05:20:00 PM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Ballers on February 19, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
He looked like Cafu in his absence on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 19, 2016, 05:40:12 PM
Agreed Ballers!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 05:49:11 PM
I think he's been alright at right back personally. He's gone relatively unnoticed, which isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: B. 4D on February 19, 2016, 05:54:14 PM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield

I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 19, 2016, 06:03:52 PM
He's always been an average member of our squad. Rarely anything more than that, but certainly nothing less. The severe criticism in the earlier parts of the season looks a bit silly now, in my opinion. As I said at the time.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
He shouldn't be a an average member of the squad if he has played more times than any other player,my point is more about lack of actual defenders than Sinnott
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 06:54:10 PM
He looked like Cafu in his absence on Tuesday night.
if that is the case mate I'd say we are down
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 07:03:37 PM
Agreed Ballers!
didnt we concede 3 in the game before
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ASMO on February 19, 2016, 07:15:34 PM
Jordan is not a fullback , I'm one of his critics , but he is better at rb than Scott , I once suggested we play Scott at rb and Sam at cb , but having seen that on Tuesday , I now retract what I said, don't know what alternative we have apart than loanees .
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 07:19:07 PM
I do agree he is a better right back than Scott
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 19, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
Agreed Ballers!
didnt we concede 3 in the game before

Only due to luck, decent keeping and bad finishing we didn't concede 6 on Tuesday
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 19, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
My point is the squad balance was incorrect from the summer and I'm amazed you don't agree,and if he sticks with 4 4 2 we are down
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 19, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench. 
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...

Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 19, 2016, 11:11:19 PM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield

I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!

Obviously as much as me since I totally agree with you.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: B. 4D on February 20, 2016, 12:14:31 AM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield

I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!

Obviously as much as me since I totally agree with you.

Thank you for that.
I have been to a lot of the games this year, (home and away), and Sinnott (being out of position), most of the time, has put in a good shift.
Yes, he isn't the best tackler in the world, but has done a job, and still puts in a good cross.



Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 20, 2016, 01:07:17 AM

Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable

Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...




Mike,

The opening home game of the 2014/15 season:


http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/140812ly.htm (http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/140812ly.htm)



Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 20, 2016, 07:38:23 AM
My point is the squad balance was incorrect from the summer and I'm amazed you don't agree,and if he sticks with 4 4 2 we are down

Don't disagree we were light, I disagree with your assertion of junior I think he has been steady at right back, no densmore but done a steady enough job
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 20, 2016, 08:27:11 AM
Macc v Dover OFF
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 20, 2016, 08:35:31 AM
My point is the squad balance was incorrect from the summer and I'm amazed you don't agree,and if he sticks with 4 4 2 we are down

Don't disagree we were light, I disagree with your assertion of junior I think he has been steady at right back, no densmore but done a steady enough job
havnt been impressed by any of our defenders,Deasey has carried them though you've seen a few more games
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 20, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
Some player news here, sounds like potentially good news for today, fingers crossed

http://altrincham.today/2016/02/20/sinnott-speaks-the-fans-deserve-more-were-determined-put-right-today/
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Leon on February 20, 2016, 09:42:26 AM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench. 
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...



The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 20, 2016, 10:57:00 AM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench. 
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...
The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.
Me too - but what I was working on was a 'worst case scenario'. It might be that one or more of the four I'd discounted are available, in which case we may be saved from that particular scaffold ... the online weather forecast has now been amended to heavy rain in the afternoon ... still, the verti-draining might make a difference to the state of the pitch. You never know - tho' I still fear the worst!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Macsporran on February 20, 2016, 01:01:51 PM
This weather is pants....hoping we get a game today
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on February 20, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
Game will be on, it would have been called off by now - on my way!!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 20, 2016, 02:53:53 PM
Today's #Alty XI: Deasy, Sinnott, Havern, Holness, Griffin, Moult (c), O'Keefe, Lawrie, Crowther, Ginnelly, Rankine

We had nothing to worry about in the end. Looks 4-5-1 with Rankine up top.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: SW on February 20, 2016, 03:33:05 PM
Halifax beating Grimsby 3-0, FFS.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: SW on February 20, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
1-0 Rankine 41. Useful time to score.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: SW on February 20, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
1-1 now.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: VofD on February 20, 2016, 06:57:16 PM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench. 
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...



The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.

ABSOLUTE PAIR OF DUFFERS >:( >:(
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on February 20, 2016, 07:02:29 PM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench. 
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...



The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.

ABSOLUTE PAIR OF DUFFERS >:( >:(

Thought Lawrie had a decent game today. Bit of a bizarre post. Also, if it watch O'Keefe the amount of second balls we win with him as opposed to without him is amazing.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: blackpoolalty on February 20, 2016, 07:10:08 PM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench.  
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...



The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.

ABSOLUTE PAIR OF DUFFERS >:( >:(

Absolute rubbish. Lawrie had a decent game.

All in all 1000 times better than Tuesday, shame Rankines shot hit the bar after Reeves played it across. We were the better first half and Guiseley the second so no complaints with a draw
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mick on February 20, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
Current weather forecast is for heavy rain from about 1100 onwards thru 1800, so this discussion may be academic; however, if Sinnott Jnr. is unfit something has to be done to address the right-back question. Assuming Havern remains unavailable Leather must revert to centre-half; I've heard it said Jake Moult could fill in at right-back but have no memory of his having done so before ...
The midfield, assuming Richman is out for a while (if he has indeed broken a bone), has no scrapper/tackler/ball-winner available, I fear, so will have to live on whatever bits & pieces of possession it can get. Extra bodies in midfield aren't an answer in themselves. Up front, I felt Margetts & Reeves were positive a week ago & I'm absolutely convinced Rankine wasn't fit to play on Tuesday - I'd go back to the Saturday format in that department. So, assuming Sinnott, Havern, Mottley-Henry & Richman are not available (I'm not anticipating any more loan signings at this stage):
Deasy
Moult - Leather - Holness - Griffin
Crowther - O'Keefe - Lawrie - Ginnelly
Margetts - Reeves
might be as good as we can do with
Williams, Heathcote, Rankine, plus two of Swift, Cain, Davis, Stouppis (if the latter two are still available)
on the bench.  
Part of me is saying 'come on, let it rain!' while the rest of me is praying for a miracle ...



The mere suggestion of a central midfield partnership of Lawrie and O'Keefe makes me feel faintly sick.

ABSOLUTE PAIR OF DUFFERS >:( >:(

Absolute rubbish. Lawrie had a decent game.

All in all 1000 times better than Tuesday, shame Rankines shot hit the bar after Reeves played it across. We were the better first half and Guiseley the second so no complaints with a draw

 ??? ???
They were better first half and we were better second half
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: brian1925 on February 20, 2016, 07:56:41 PM
It just goes to show how differently people perceive things. I thought Guiseley were the better team throughout and had Ranks scored the second, it'd have been daylight robbery. They certainly carried more threat going forward, with on loan Sinclair a constant threat.

I felt the defence did pretty well, especially Holness and Luca against some physically strong strikers. Just as in the first match with Guiseley, Ranks was our best player and correctly won motm. I don't rate Lawrie or O'Keefe at all at this level I'm afraid.

I fear for us if Richman is out for a while.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on February 20, 2016, 08:04:29 PM
Didn't make it today. Strangely, in Birmingham it didn't rain at all. Glad that Ranks got man of the match. I know he's been ill but he's a bit like Perry, up for it or not at the races.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: PukkaPieman on February 20, 2016, 08:09:11 PM
I agree that people perceive things differently.
Although Guiseley were very neat and kept the ball well they didnt really hurt us at all and we defended well.
We created far more chances than Guiseley from much less possession and if Rankine's shot had gone in instead of hitting the underside of the bar Guiseley couldnt have complained at all with a loss.

Big improvement, still only one defeat in the last 6 games, however we need 5 or 6 wins to be safe from the remaining 13 games.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Steve from Sale on February 20, 2016, 08:10:19 PM
I took one major positive from this game, we didn't lose, played ok and improved on last Tuesday's result. Decent gate of well over 1000 too. Even with further injury problems, we still held our own, and have players due to come back very soon. Luca and Marcus worked pretty ok together considering it was the first time they have paired up, I thought Scott was superb in the second half and covered well at left back. Did you notice how James Lawrie grew into the game during the second half. his switch to the left worked well.

There are still many games to play until the end of the season and the next two weeks will give us chance to regroup and recover players from their respective injuries. Maybe it is a good thing we are not playing this week.

I refuse to be downhearted, things will come together and we still have some winnable games coming up. mixed results today but they could have been a lot worse.

Keep the faith guys, there is still much to play for.  
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Beez on February 20, 2016, 08:35:01 PM
I agree that people perceive things differently.
Although Guiseley were very neat and kept the ball well they didnt really hurt us at all and we defended well.
We created far more chances than Guiseley from much less possession and if Rankine's shot had gone in instead of hitting the underside of the bar Guiseley couldnt have complained at all with a loss.

Big improvement, still only one defeat in the last 6 games, however we need 5 or 6 wins to be safe from the remaining 13 games.

Appreciate you're a glass half full chap, but where do you expect these 5/6 wins to appear from?? 1 win in the last 11. Nowhere near good enough and to be honest, the great performance against woking aside we look miles away!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: brian1925 on February 20, 2016, 09:08:35 PM
Guiseley are always neat and tidy. What they had today, which they don't usually, was physical strength. They've adjusted well to this league. Our biggest problem right now is that Kiddy appear to have invested well in the loan market and we probably need them to stay below us.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 20, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
I thought the draw fair to both sides today. From where I stood, Lawrie had a stinker of a game overall; just goes to show how differently people interpret the evidence put before them, I suppose. For a side with no midfield tacklers I thought we did reasonably well; it's to be hoped Griffin's injury will clear up in the next fortnight & the same goes for Richman. Havern getting through 90 minutes was a bonus in my view. The two Tranmere loanees' month will run out before our next game - any views on whether they should be kept on (assuming their parent club is agreeable)? The rest of the results could have been a lot worse but inevitably the picture will look blacker by the time we play Macc as some sides may have played as many as three more fixtures before we get on the field again.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on February 20, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
I thought the draw fair to both sides today. From where I stood, Lawrie had a stinker of a game overall; just goes to show how differently people interpret the evidence put before them, I suppose. For a side with no midfield tacklers I thought we did reasonably well; it's to be hoped Griffin's injury will clear up in the next fortnight & the same goes for Richman. Havern getting through 90 minutes was a bonus in my view. The two Tranmere loanees' month will run out before our next game - any views on whether they should be kept on (assuming their parent club is agreeable)? The rest of the results could have been a lot worse but inevitably the picture will look blacker by the time we play Macc as some sides may have played as many as three more fixtures before we get on the field again.

Both should be kept on if possible they have done well enough
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ASMO on February 20, 2016, 09:55:10 PM
Hope we can keep Marcus , but Damian  far better than Margetts imo.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Cheadle Hulme Alty on February 20, 2016, 10:04:50 PM
Have to say I'm perplexed as to why the management team are so determined to drive Reevesey away from the club as appears to be the case!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 20, 2016, 10:14:42 PM
Send margetts back. No disrespect but we've enough forwards and get the best central midfielder humanly possible in on loan, quick
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: VofD on February 20, 2016, 10:16:01 PM
It just goes to show how differently people perceive things. I thought Guiseley were the better team throughout and had Ranks scored the second, it'd have been daylight robbery. They certainly carried more threat going forward, with on loan Sinclair a constant threat.

I felt the defence did pretty well, especially Holness and Luca against some physically strong strikers. Just as in the first match with Guiseley, Ranks was our best player and correctly won motm. I don't rate Lawrie or O'Keefe at all at this level I'm afraid.

I fear for us if Richman is out for a while.

This.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: VofD on February 20, 2016, 10:19:07 PM
I thought the draw fair to both sides today. From where I stood, Lawrie had a stinker of a game overall; just goes to show how differently people interpret the evidence put before them, I suppose. For a side with no midfield tacklers I thought we did reasonably well; it's to be hoped Griffin's injury will clear up in the next fortnight & the same goes for Richman. Havern getting through 90 minutes was a bonus in my view. The two Tranmere loanees' month will run out before our next game - any views on whether they should be kept on (assuming their parent club is agreeable)? The rest of the results could have been a lot worse but inevitably the picture will look blacker by the time we play Macc as some sides may have played as many as three more fixtures before we get on the field again.

This.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 21, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
Any chance of elaborating on why you hate James Lawrie?
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 21, 2016, 02:36:38 PM
Any chance of elaborating on why you hate James Lawrie?
Not rating somebody is not the same as hating them ! I also thought he was mediocre yesterday,  and I wouldn't have had him in my starting eleven for  most of this season.

On the subject of perception.....I though Jake was below par yesterday and I put it down in no small measure to Ringo's absence.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: VofD on February 21, 2016, 03:43:16 PM
Any chance of elaborating on why you hate James Lawrie?

I don't hate him, I just think he is not good enough at this level. He gives the ball away a lot more times than other players, is not strong in possession and some of his set pieces are diabolical. He has had a run in the side because of injuries, otherwise he would have been on the bench at best. O'Keefe is on a par with him. ::)
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mick on February 21, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
Agree
I said in the Summer his seaaon in Conf Nat  was not good enough to keep him if we are to play him as a winger or midfielder
This season has been no better - just my opinion because I bear no malice towards him or any other player that is not up to this level
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on February 21, 2016, 04:40:13 PM
Re. James Lawrie - I feel that if he cannot play behind a single striker there is no place for him in the team. He is no tackler, his passing & work-rate are poor in my view & he is far too easily knocked off the ball, so midfield is no place for him; he has been tried & found wanting wide right & wide left. Playing behind the central striker he has shown that he can do much better. However, the system & players currently available make this an unlikely option. This, as has been said previously, does not constitute hatred; it is an expression of opinion as to his worth to the side.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: VofD on February 21, 2016, 04:52:22 PM
Re. James Lawrie - I feel that if he cannot play behind a single striker there is no place for him in the team. He is no tackler, his passing & work-rate are poor in my view & he is far too easily knocked off the ball, so midfield is no place for him; he has been tried & found wanting wide right & wide left. Playing behind the central striker he has shown that he can do much better. However, the system & players currently available make this an unlikely option. This, as has been said previously, does not constitute hatred; it is an expression of opinion as to his worth to the side.
That is what this forum is SUPPOSED to be all about.Nothing to do with hatred or anything else.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 21, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
I thought Lawrie had his best game in a long time.  He has been poor for most of the season.

Holness was man of the match.  Luca did well first game back.

Reeves has been treated shockingly and I doubt will be here in March.

Guisley are a poor side who have picked up 4 points of us.  

We will get relegated.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 21, 2016, 05:02:22 PM
Lawrie always inconsistent the problem is from what Iv seen he is even more inconsistent this season
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on February 21, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
There a a differnce between inconsistent and sh*te
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 21, 2016, 05:32:24 PM
I think last season he was inconsistent maybe this year he has downgraded to sh*te as you put it Glyn
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 21, 2016, 05:36:47 PM
He'll probably have a blinder against Macc just to make me look daft. I may have to miss that game as I'm going to Glasgow to record 15 to 1.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 21, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
Good luck with that Phil
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on February 21, 2016, 06:56:58 PM
He'll probably have a blinder against Macc just to make me look daft. I may have to miss that game as I'm going to Glasgow to record 15 to 1.

I know somebody else who will be filming 15 to 1 that day. How bizarre!
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on February 21, 2016, 06:57:41 PM
He'll probably have a blinder against Macc just to make me look daft. I may have to miss that game as I'm going to Glasgow to record 15 to 1.

Good luck Phil.. wear your Alty top fella
15 points is about what Alty need I reckon
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 21, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
He'll probably have a blinder against Macc just to make me look daft. I may have to miss that game as I'm going to Glasgow to record 15 to 1.

Good luck Phil.. wear your Alty top fella
15 points is about what Alty need I reckon

Unfortunately anything with a logo is not permitted. Or it would be a given !
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 22, 2016, 12:24:01 AM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield


I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!




I confess that I struggle to see how you have him ahead of the likes of Deasy, Moult and Rankine.



 


Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 22, 2016, 12:31:51 AM
He'll probably have a blinder against Macc just to make me look daft. I may have to miss that game as I'm going to Glasgow to record 15 to 1.

Good luck Phil.. wear your Alty top fella
15 points is about what Alty need I reckon


Unfortunately anything with a logo is not permitted. Or it would be a given !



Phil,

Never wear red when you appear on Fifteen To One!

It was a mistake that my mother-in-law made when she was a contestant on the programme.

You stand out more and people pick on you with a higher frequency.

The very best of luck to you.


 


Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: B. 4D on February 22, 2016, 01:08:18 AM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield


I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!




I confess that I struggle to see how you have him ahead of the likes of Deasy, Moult and Rankine.

As I said, what do I know!!
But I would still have him in my top three, because the amount of stick he has got on this forum is embarrassing.
Barry,  the guy has played out of position for some time.
In my opinion he puts in a good shift.
If You look at some posts on here, Rankine would never start.
It would be Reaves every time.
We all have our views.
But if you have Sinnott at No4, that's fine👍



 



Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 22, 2016, 07:16:02 AM
You would have someone in your top 3 players because they receive stick on here,the 3 players Cult has mentioned are the only players not to have had a disappointing season hence why we're in so much trouble
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 22, 2016, 07:36:53 PM
Sinnott is equally poor as a full back as he is in midfield


I think Sinnott has done really well.
We certainly missed him on Tuesday.
I have got him in my top three for player of the season.
But what do I know!!!




I confess that I struggle to see how you have him ahead of the likes of Deasy, Moult and Rankine.



As I said, what do I know!!
But I would still have him in my top three, because the amount of stick he has got on this forum is embarrassing.
Barry,  the guy has played out of position for some time.
In my opinion he puts in a good shift.
If You look at some posts on here, Rankine would never start.
It would be Reaves every time.
We all have our views.
But if you have Sinnott at No4, that's fine👍






Bryan,

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion (after all, it's a subjective issue rather than an exact science).

I have no problem at all with that.

Mind you, I do find it a trifle odd to be so influenced in your selection of a player of the season by the amount of 'stick' that the individual in question has received on the Alty forum.

On that premise, Kyle Perry would have been a shoe-in for the award in at least one of his two seasons at the club!

As regards Jordan Sinnott, I'm not convinced that he's being played out of position, as it were, purely in terms of my (albeit restricted) view that he was largely ineffective as a midfield player in a total of 15 consecutive league games for us earlier this season.

Perhaps right full back/wing back does actually represent a more realistic option for him (as long as he works on the art of tackling)?

I think that some of the criticism of him has been over the top but, equally, some of it has been warranted (particularly regarding all those underwhelming free kicks to date!).

However, being the manager's son was always going to put him under a greater degree of scrutiny (and both he and his father would be naive to think otherwise).


 

 


Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ManagementGuru on February 22, 2016, 09:11:35 PM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 22, 2016, 11:07:26 PM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 23, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.

Why? He's not a striker.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 23, 2016, 10:31:38 AM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.

Why? He's not a striker.

Sorry....hadn't realised that midfield players weren't allowed to score goals.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on February 23, 2016, 12:14:04 PM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.

Why? He's not a striker.

Sorry....hadn't realised that midfield players weren't allowed to score goals.

But considering he's hardly played in midfield that's possibly the oddest comparison to make.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 23, 2016, 07:50:50 PM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.

Why? He's not a striker.

Sorry....hadn't realised that midfield players weren't allowed to score goals.

But considering he's hardly played in midfield that's possibly the oddest comparison to make.




Whilst I concur that the comparison with Gillespie isn't fair, I wouldn't say that Jordan Sinnott starting our opening 15 league fixtures (of 33 played to date) as a midfielder constitutes him having "hardly played in midfield" though, would you?





  
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on February 23, 2016, 10:01:09 PM
Playing Jordan at Right Ack has really helped him going forward.  He can see the whole pitch ahead of him and can't be caught in possession by someone behind him.  It also gives him a bit more time on the ball.  Wing ack suits him therefore

However, 37 shots since his last goal has him in Gillespie territory.

Why? He's not a striker.

Sorry....hadn't realised that midfield players weren't allowed to score goals.

But considering he's hardly played in midfield that's possibly the oddest comparison to make.




Whilst I concur that the comparison with Gillespie isn't fair, I wouldn't say that Jordan Sinnott starting our opening 15 league fixtures (of 33 played to date) as a midfielder constitutes him having "hardly played in midfield" though, would you?





  

Honestly didn't realise he's started 15 games in midfield this season Mr Cult, I'd have said about 6 myself. Fair point. I still stand by the fact it is the height of obscurity to compare a striker and a central midfielder.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on February 23, 2016, 10:11:58 PM
Where he's played is immaterial. The stats show he's had 37 shots on goal since he last scored. I don't think he's been striking the ball from the right back position.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mick on February 24, 2016, 12:25:11 AM
Jordan aside, I don't think it is an unfair criticism to say that our entire midfield don't chip in with enough goals as it is (nor for that matter do our defenders score many from set-pieces).

We have an over-reliance on Reeves that has existed for some time and this burden is now shared with Rankine.

(having just added this post quite late without looking stuff up, I will take a look at the website and see who has scored what this season)
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: Mick on February 24, 2016, 12:37:26 AM
Had a look, hopefully got it right :-

We have scored 32 goals in 33 games

10 goals have come from what I term midfielders (3 of these goals scored recently by Josh Ginnelly).
Central midfielders Moult, Richman and O'Keefe have two goals between them, which sort of sums up our game play really

1 goal so far from a defender (Heathcote's last gasp winner when coming on versus Cheltenham as late defensive back-up)
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: andrewflynn on February 24, 2016, 09:13:07 AM
Where he's played is immaterial. The stats show he's had 37 shots on goal since he last scored. I don't think he's been striking the ball from the right back position.

Nor has he been played in one-on-one 37 times.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: MarpleAlty on February 24, 2016, 09:22:54 AM
He crashed the ball against the bar with his left peg from some distance a few minutes into Macc (A) which could have changed the outcome of that game.

However, I won't blame him for missing that one.
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: ASMO on February 24, 2016, 08:13:58 PM
And he put one just over in same game .
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on February 24, 2016, 08:21:34 PM
Top 3 has to be Moult, Deasy and Rankine

Everyone else has been sh*t
Title: Re: Guiseley - Match Thread
Post by: eightiesrobin on February 24, 2016, 09:05:06 PM
Everyone else has been sh*t

Oversimplistic IMO. Three certainly, but the rest have been below average for long periods. It's not been much fun watching this season.