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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on August 07, 2007, 12:29:01 PM
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http://ctfc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1494 (http://ctfc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1494)
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Bit of an insult if you ask me. How they've managed to stretch this out for so long, when so many other clubs have just folded, is now beyond comprehension.
According to the thread, there is still no concrete proof the CVA is completely paid. The transfer embargo still applies despite their influx of players.
There just havin a laugh really!
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When is someone going to take firm and decisive action against these people.
And how are they still signing players when they are under a transfer embargo.
Yet again the league is being made into a laughing stock by these con artists.
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scoundrels....the end is near for crawley!!!
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From BBC:
"Crawley have been docked six points ahead of the new season after being charged with bringing the Blue Square League into disrepute, reports BBC SCR.
The charge relates to financial irregularities at the club, who have failed to confirm the payment of last season's Company Voluntary arrangement.
Crawley had gone into administration in June 2006 with debts of nearly £1.4m.
The club has also been given a £10,000 suspended fine and a transfer embargo still remains in place.
That will not be lifted until payment of their Company Voluntary arrangement has been confirmed.
Currently the club has only five eligible players - just four days before the new season kicks off. "
so does that mean if they field a starting line up against stevenage that they will be docked more points?
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Exactly,
How on earth can they field a team on saturday if they only have five players.
Maybe they will find a way to bend the rules slightly !!!
What happens on Saturday if they do not have enough players to fulfil the fixture ? Do they just lose the points or are more severe penalties available to the league ?
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Hopefully they will respond by chaining the majeeds up outside Conf HQ and let people kick them in the bollocks repeatedly.
Im sure this would make them adhere to the rules in future, any other humaine measure will simply fail!
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I have just read on the Crawley website that they have paid all moneys due in full???????????
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How are Crawley still in the league, they have been in financial trouble for a few seasons now right?
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2 seasons if i am not mistaken, and i predict that this 6 point deduction is the start of the end for them...if theyve got jus 5 eligible players and over paying them all, there going to be FC Crawley before soon playing in the South London League Division 2
PS...penfold, you have a message
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So they should be out ov our league, if it happened to any other team they would have been given the boot!! with no question about it.
So i dont see what makes them any different!
PS I got ya message AltyF
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Exactly,
How on earth can they field a team on saturday if they only have five players.
Maybe they will find a way to bend the rules slightly !!!
What happens on Saturday if they do not have enough players to fulfil the fixture ? Do they just lose the points or are more severe penalties available to the league ?
For all the announcements of these players signed, I believe they haven't actually officially registered them with the FA, they seem to have got them to sign pre contracts. Presumably, they will sign proper contracts when the club have the embargo lifted!
At present, none of those players announced as being signed are eligable to play this saturday... and they won't be unless the CVA is paid off and the conference are satisfied all football creditors have been paid, when the embargo will be lifted.
As a slight aside, I seem to remember in the case of Scarborough last year, the CVA was paid off, but the Conference would not lift the embargo.... think that was due to football creditors? anyone remember the conference's reasoning on that one?
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nope cant remember that one,
however, im glad to see the fa finally clamping down, whether some people see it as soft or not, im just glad to see some action finally and some of these ridiculous loop holes such as allowing pre contracts finally sorted out!!!
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Five eligible players even though all of these announcements of signings. was talking about this the other day and i reckon that it is a transfer embargo and if they havent paid the club (free transfers etc) or if the player is unsigned then they would be allowed to play. However as this says 'eligible' you'd be led to think that the signings have gone through but the elague is putting its foot down (finally) and not letting them play even though they have been signed. Either way...
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However as this says 'eligible' you'd be led to think that the signings have gone through but the elague is putting its foot down (finally) and not letting them play even though they have been signed. Either way...
As "Foz" says, I think the word eligible tells us that they werent allowed to sign players due to their ongoing CVA and financial problems, however crawley found a loophole in the rules ad signed players on pre contracts, which technically didnt breeak any rules, despite being farcical, but now the FA have obviously decided, now its time to prevent teams using loop holes and dodging sanctions etc, so they have said, these players you signed on pre contract are now ineligible: basically due to the fa clamping down and re looking at the situation
IN SUMMARY I THINK THEY WILL HAVE PROBLEMS ON SATURDAY,
Do you play ineligible players risking further sanctions or what??!?!?!?!?????????!
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However as this says 'eligible' you'd be led to think that the signings have gone through but the elague is putting its foot down (finally) and not letting them play even though they have been signed. Either way...
As "Foz" says, I think the word eligible tells us that they werent allowed to sign players due to their ongoing CVA and financial problems, however crawley found a loophole in the rules ad signed players on pre contracts, which technically didnt breeak any rules, despite being farcical, but now the FA have obviously decided, now its time to prevent teams using loop holes and dodging sanctions etc, so they have said, these players you signed on pre contract are now ineligible: basically due to the fa clamping down and re looking at the situation
IN SUMMARY I THINK THEY WILL HAVE PROBLEMS ON SATURDAY,
Do you play ineligible players risking further sanctions or what??!?!?!?!?????????!
Are they not able to use youth/ressie team players?
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yeh i assume you can, but crawley being the cheating scoundrels that they are, i just cant see it, and im sure, with stevenage being a big game and theyll be a load of stevenage fans and like a half-derby, they will try and find a way to cheat the system
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For the sake of justice I hope the book is thrown at Crawley.
God knows what their fans are going through, however. I hope they can get a legitimate team again to support again soon.
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Right, a pre contract, it's an agreement you sign. It's not actually signign for anyone, i.e. registering with them.
Basically it is a piece of paper which says 'When we (Crawley) have our transfer embargo lifted we will give you a contract and a wage/sum of money' -
otherwise these players wouldn't turn up and train with them "so when this cva thing gets paid youre going to sign me and give me some money right?"
"Yeh sure"
"Er, can I have that in writing?"
The last bit is the important one.
Now the embargo has been in place since halfway through last season. Therefore Crawley are only allowed to play players who were registered with them last season i.e. they can play Scully but not Madjo. They only have 5 players left from last seasons squad. I think they're going to have to find the remaining £18k for the cva pretty sharpish.
The £100k bond is the interesting bit, they want it as a guarantee they'll complete the season. WHat happens if this ain't forthcoming?
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Who would they have played in friendlies? Would they have been able to play these pre contract players?
One way or another I am sure thay will get a team together - but a losing one I am sure.
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If you play an ineligible player you loose the points won in that match - say 3 points
Presumabley the punishment for an ineligible player doesn't depend on anything - rules is rules and all that.
If you play an ineligible player 3 point penalty, even if you've already been done for three points for the other ineligible player in the same game.
Crawley seem to need 6 such players and so will either a) throw the game or b) get hit with massive penalties for every point they earn.
Clearly a farcical situation but what's new there?
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Crawley seem to need 6 such players and so will either a) throw the game or b) get hit with massive penalties for every point they earn.
i hope its b so we can have a laugh (as if it isnt funny enough already) at the huge minus figure of points they end up on
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I'd love to see the bemused setanta coverage of 5 crawley players getting mauled by Stevenage in a cricket score encounter!!
These are the darkest days for the fans, but i get the impression most of them turned their backs last season!
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We are now seeing first hand evidence of why this should have been resolved conclusively at the AGM. By that time, Crawley's owners had already demonstrated their total lack of integrity on numerous occasions and for this to still be going on as we approach the kick off of the new season is an absolute disgrace! How many false promises do they have to make before the league decides enough is enough?
Crawley's supporters deserve better, as do the rest of the clubs in this league who are trying to run their affairs properly.
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Crawley supporters do deserve better, but I cant help thinking that for two games at least we wont be bottom of the league.
I always like to look on the brightside.
Come on Alty - 3 points on Saturday PLEASE ;D
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Its an interesting point about the 100k bond.
If they haven't come up with it so far what are the chances of them coming up with it before saturday.
Also its taken them months to make the final CVA payments.
Reckon the Crawley board should pool all their resources and by a rook of lottery tickets for tonights draw.
Maybe the only chance they will have.
But then again which one of the reliable characters would you trust to keep hold of the tickets !!
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Are they not able to use youth/ressie team players?
Firstly we can't use what we haven't got, ie we haven't got a reserve team nor youth team, they were shelved before last season to er save money ...............
Re the bond, obviously i stand to be corrected, but i'd read somewhere that it doesn't have to be paid until Xmas.
Lastly, who have you lot got on Saturday, i might be looking for a new team shortly ! If i don't take up the option of going to see Marine .............
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Your f**ked mate.
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Are they not able to use youth/ressie team players?
Firstly we can't use what we haven't got, ie we haven't got a reserve team nor youth team, they were shelved before last season to er save money ...............
Re the bond, obviously i stand to be corrected, but i'd read somewhere that it doesn't have to be paid until Xmas.
Lastly, who have you lot got on Saturday, i might be looking for a new team shortly ! If i don't take up the option of going to see Marine .............
Exeter. Don't go to marine, the stewards are evil!
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no no the stewards are perfectly nice people but when you scream scouse bastard at the top of your voice people do tend to get arsey,
i fink having your brain that near to your arse is turning it to sh*t mate
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It wasn't at the top of my voice! Honest! He shouldn't have been arse-wigging to our conversations! ;) :D
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people probably don't get this whole arse about ear terminology, mabe we should tell people your secret mike. they won't believe their arses
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Maybe Crawley are trying to introduce a five-a side team into the league, that would cut the wage bill a little bit. ???
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knowin them lot they will some how manage 2 filed a side, without any action being taken agains them
It really is a joke!
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people probably don't get this whole arse about ear terminology, mabe we should tell people your secret mike. they won't believe their arses
Is this some form of blackmail you are going to use against me for evermore??? Because that would just be nasty and i'd never talk to you again. But then again when you talk to me now all i hear is sh*t (are you having that one? ;D)
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They're selling a Crawley Subuteo team at half price........
...but it only has half the players.
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people probably don't get this whole arse about ear terminology, mabe we should tell people your secret mike. they won't believe their arses
Is this some form of blackmail you are going to use against me for evermore??? Because that would just be nasty and i'd never talk to you again. But then again when you talk to me now all i hear is sh*t (are you having that one? ;D)
not as a blackmail i just thought we should enlighten the masses.
ps i used that line first i think you will find!! ;)
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*sticks 2 fingers up at longsden*