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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: oneedham on November 20, 2010, 05:07:58 PM
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When graham went I posted that it was too early and I hoped that we would not regret it. I know I will get it in the neck but graham was the only man for the job. It ain't working with ken, wish it was different but we are in the sh*t. He just can't get the team going, we will get relegated without two more defenders and a forward and some bloody passion and confidence.
Its embarrassing!
We would have never conceded 6 against them with graham, rubbish
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No.
we prob would have 5 against, he would have had a row with the fans, threatened to quit, been sent to the stands.... .. although thinking about it we would be financially better off to improve the team he left us with though ???
Told my girlfriend I'll give it til 10past til GH is mentioned and well done.
ITS GRAHAMS PLAYERS AND WITH HIM WE LOOKED LIKE NEVER WINNING.
Take off the blinkers. Its boring.
What wonderful job has the greatest non league manager got at the moment then ?????????
How many points with GH and how many with Kenny ?? Now who's not giving who time ?
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When graham went I posted that it was too early and I hoped that we would not regret it. I know I will get it in the neck but graham was the only man for the job. It ain't working with ken, wish it was different but we are in the sh*t. He just can't get the team going, we will get relegated without two more defenders and a forward and some bloody passion and confidence.
Its embarrassing!
We would have never conceded 6 against them with graham, rubbish
disagree ,he got how many points in how many games at the start of the season ?
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Just exactly what I added.
We must have the only fans in the world that sticks up for an ex manager despite starting the season awful and how he's left the club.
More blinkers than the Cheltenham Gold Cup at this club.
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Heathcote HAD to go. We will pick up the threads again from the next game. Have faith in Kenny, he can get us there.
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Just exactly what I added.
We must have the only fans in the world that sticks up for an ex manager despite starting the season awful and how he's left the club.
More blinkers than the Cheltenham Gold Cup at this club.
ken needs time ,graham get more than enough time
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What a load of complete bollocks.
Didn't we get one point from 30 with him, then he told us all his signings were sh*t and surrendered against a terrible Kidderminster side.
Was he getting the players going?
You didnt go to the most disgusting fans forum ever but if you had of done and you left it thinking he would have turned it round you'd have been laughed out of the place.
Even the biggest Graham fans were stunned by that.
Thats the biggest load of nostalgic bullsh*t I have ever read on this forum. I expected better from you.
Lets get him back then..he can refund the payoff and we can get some players in.
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What a load of rubbish. Believe me, i'm just as disappointed as you are after today's result. But, the outcome would have been the same. How can you say we would not have conceded 6? This defence (excluding Milne, who has been very steady) was heathcotes defence. We miss Smith massively when he doesn't play.
This team with the exclusion of Somner and Baynes - Was Heathcotes team! I would counter your argument and say that had McKenna who was always the motivational between him and Heathcote, not made an attempt (as we have seen in the other threads) to bring players in, that we would have had the option of Danny Holmes and Jimmy McCarthy to play today.Who would Heathcote have brought in? Could he have attracted anybody else of a decent calibre - I doubt it... If you count Heathcote as standing on the sidelines with his arms crossed, refusing to shake his own players' hands being motivational then I'll stand corrected.
We're all dejected, but KM is doing as well as he can. I would suggest that some of the players need to stand up and be counted. Defensively we are not good enough - We all know that.
Argumentative, confrontational bullsh*t like this is not needed. We've moved on. Let's concentrate on Cambridge and then the huge game against FGR rather than rake up the past and discuss how a previous manager would have approached the game!
Rant over..........
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Your off the mark here ... The blunt truth is the squad isnt good enough (the squad that basically GH put together).. When Smith is out we are poor at the back... When Denham is out we are even more less likely to score...
7-0 against any team tells you that we are not good enough Ken Mc has obviously tried to improve the squad but if players do not want to come because of the wages then there is fk all any manager in the world can do about that...
As ever the biggest problem with Alty is lack of MONEY you can argue until your blue in the face about the merits of the management team but the bottom line is If you havent got the cash then you aint going to entice decent players to the club to get us out of the sh*t........
I do not like posting comments like this but I am sorry folks... Its how it is.......
It wont stop me coming to watch Alty but it isnt going to be too enjoyable over the next 5 months I'm afraid...
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Your last post was 6 November after the Bath game. Graham had to go he lost all respect
Kenny has got team spirit back even though results not going our way.
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When graham went I posted that it was too early and I hoped that we would not regret it. I know I will get it in the neck but graham was the only man for the job. It ain't working with ken, wish it was different but we are in the sh*t. He just can't get the team going, we will get relegated without two more defenders and a forward and some bloody passion and confidence.
Its embarrassing!
We would have never conceded 6 against them with graham, rubbish
Astonishingly naive and simply beyond clueless.
It's your post that's embarrassing.
Mind you, GH could still donate some of his compensation to Ken, couldn't he...?
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I keep reading it over and over.
Don't you think Kenny knows we need a forward? Or better defenders?
I'll stand corrected if he has done it as well but the only difference between a McKenna and Heathcote performance today would have been that Heathcote would have attempted to fight all their fans during the match and the ref at the end.
Three things decided today for me.
The body blow of a first minute pen followed by Crawley pouring at us.
The fact we actually had a good go between 46 and 85 which led to tired legs and three late goals that turns a defeat into a hammering.
The fact that man for man, in nearly all positions, Crawleys players are ten times better than us.
And thats without harping on about full time and part time.
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Certainly wouldn't put too much blame on Kenny for this debacle.
He needs time to put things right. Do we know what funds he has available, what happened to that Carole Nash money??
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Fair point to all the replies but it annoyed me when people thought that ken would turn it around and its so harsh to slag off graham for the team he left. He lost 4 quality players in little, senior, youngy and doran. I may have posted in anger but I can not see any light at the end of the tunnel. I am concerned that if we go down we won't come back up. I want ken to succeed but some of his tatics and team selections have been poor. We are in a mess, just hope we can get ourselves out very quickly! We need more positive tactics, ken reminds me off graham when we came back up into the conference. Too defensive and thats how we get picked off! Just my opinion!
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Put Densmore back into defence , get Danylyk back into midfield and play players in the correct positions. Eastbourne and Crawley put 12 goals by us and interestingly Danylyk did not play a single minute.
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Fair point to all the replies but it annoyed me when people thought that ken would turn it around and its so harsh to slag off graham for the team he left. He lost 4 quality players in little, senior, youngy and doran. I may have posted in anger but I can not see any light at the end of the tunnel. I am concerned that if we go down we won't come back up. I want ken to succeed but some of his tatics and team selections have been poor. We are in a mess, just hope we can get ourselves out very quickly! We need more positive tactics, ken reminds me off graham when we came back up into the conference. Too defensive and thats how we get picked off! Just my opinion!
WHY WOULD THAT ANNOY YOU ?
and if its harsh to slag Graham off for the team then maybe its his crap management then that made him leave ? You can't have it both ways either.. If its the players then GH brought them in, if the players are good enough then GH could not manage them well ?
As I said before what is Graham's current managerial status ? Mind you the best paid secretary to ever work prob doesn't need a job, maybe he could fund Vics and get a job there ?
plus (yes this has annoyed me)
Kenny has got more points with Less money then GH had... Looks like he's doing better all round.
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We do need densmore back in defensive, this is what I mean about tactics. Densmore has done ok in midfield but whilst we are getting battered we need him in defence. We need to drop joseph at any cost because with him it is like playing with ten men, he is awful. We need to play hewson every game as he gets into the box. We are lost without smith and denham but give reeves a chance, he deserves it. I shouldn't have posted this post, thats too many beers for you. Just gutted!
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Let's get back to playing 3-4-3 like on that winning run a season or so ago
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Harping on about "Dick Turpin" is completely pointless and will achieve nothing. He had to go (although he could have been rather more honourable about it) and that is that.
This thread defies belief. At a time when we all need to pull together, this sort of in-fighting is the last thing Altrincham FC needs.
Forget it and move on.
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The words "GRAHAM" and "HEATHCOTE" should be completely BANNED from this forum. >:( >:( >:(
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Calm down lads. Its a ludicrous comment but this is another alty fan. He is entitled to an opinion.
Weve just got tonked 7-0, it stings, stings like a b@stard. But its not the first time, and probably not the last, maybe not even the last this season. But its not Crawley away et al that counts its where we are in the league come April/May.
We should judge Kenny then and not before. In the meantime lets just put this to bed. Weve got a sh1te squad and weve lost the core of a good team. New manager cutting his teeth, and we might get spanked along the way as he learns to pick up from a man who had been around this league most of his adult life.
Nobody said a word after Luton, today we were away at a better team, i cant be arsed worrying to be honest.
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We got battered 5-0 to a worse side (Eastbourne) and then came back with determination and belief and have been on a good run until today.. Unlucky v Luton and AFC Wimbledon.. We expected nothing from the last 3 games so nothing lost in my book.
Positive thinking.
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I'd like to thank Mr Needham...brilliant post.
Gave us all the chance to get behind Ken and say give him the time.
Wonderful and clever reverse psychology.
Keep the faith everyone.
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Very short tuppence worth.
Graham Heathcote, whilst aggressive and irrational at times, did an overall good job at Altrincham Football Club. He got us up, he kept us up and he brought in some of our best players (Denham, Smith, Clee, Densmore).
That said, it seemed obvious he'd lost his passion for the job after Senior and Young left and we started abysmally. Given that, he had to go. You aren' going to survive if you've lost the stomach for the fight.
So, that left us needing a manager. Ken stepped up, and in fairness, he's done okay.We were on a good run. We've had a poor run in the last three games because we've played the best three sides in the division. We must, must stay loyal and give the bloke a chance. I'm worried we'll get relegated, but if so it'll be as much about unfortunate departures (Little, Senior, Young) and the refusal to pay wages we can't afford as anything else. t certainly won't be because we replaced Graham with Ken.
Chin up. 7 points from the next four games is very realistic and would leave us very close to safety.
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Bollocks.
Graham didn’t want the job anymore. He’d given up. He’d brought crap players in and given them 2 (yes two) year deals.
Ken wanted the job, he has to work with some crap for a while. Hopefully we’ll be able to con some defenders into playing for us in January.
I think after this one, we certs for going down. There are some crap clubs in this league, but we’re really shockingly, painfully awful at the moment.
7-0 is a traversty. We haven’t shifted 7 since woking and Morecambe in 1996. Yeah, we had two dodgy penalties against us. But we still need to work as a team and minimise the loss.
Its going to be a hard few months ahead. We need to show support, and stay positive.
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Bollocks.
Graham didn’t want the job anymore. He’d given up. He’d brought crap players in and given them 2 (yes two) year deals.
Ken wanted the job, he has to work with some crap for a while. Hopefully we’ll be able to con some defenders into playing for us in January.
I think after this one, we certs for going down. There are some crap clubs in this league, but we’re really shockingly, painfully awful at the moment.
7-0 is a traversty. We haven’t shifted 7 since woking and Morecambe in 1996. Yeah, we had two dodgy penalties against us. But we still need to work as a team and minimise the loss.
Its going to be a hard few months ahead. We need to show support, and stay positive.
I'm delighted that we have come out of these three games only five points off safety thanks to other clubs. I also disagree that we are painfully awful. Today maybe but not overall. I watched painfully awful Altrincham sides on many occasions.
I think we did work as team to minimise the loss and it sound like we spent the best of 25 minutes in the second half having a go (for what it was worth) then ran out of legs at around the same time they brought Brodie on.
Today was a lot about how long we could keep them out for, the ref saw to it that it was 1.5 minutes.
Dust it off and start again.
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Fair point to all the replies but it annoyed me when people thought that ken would turn it around and its so harsh to slag off graham for the team he left. He lost 4 quality players in little, senior, youngy and doran. I may have posted in anger but I can not see any light at the end of the tunnel. I am concerned that if we go down we won't come back up. I want ken to succeed but some of his tatics and team selections have been poor. We are in a mess, just hope we can get ourselves out very quickly! We need more positive tactics, ken reminds me off graham when we came back up into the conference. Too defensive and thats how we get picked off! Just my opinion!
It's hardly reasonable to have a go at Ken's team selections. He can only pick the players he has, and who are available. I'd guess we desperately missed James Smith today, and once we lose a key player we're always going to struggle.
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I'm delighted that we have come out of these three games only five points off safety thanks to other clubs. I also disagree that we are painfully awful. Today maybe but not overall. I watched painfully awful Altrincham sides on many occasions.
I think we did work as team to minimise the loss and it sound like we spent the best of 25 minutes in the second half having a go (for what it was worth) then ran out of legs at around the same time they brought Brodie on.
Today was a lot about how long we could keep them out for, the ref saw to it that it was 1.5 minutes.
Dust it off and start again.
Quite right. We have a few wins against teams down in our league and move out of the bottom four and suddenly all looks brighter...it's not beyond belief
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Quite right. We have a few wins against teams down in our league and move out of the bottom four and suddenly all looks brighter...it's not beyond belief
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I hope I am wrong, but I think we have already missed this opportunity by losing at Scouseport and Histon, as wins against those two would have currently put us out of the relegation zone.
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
Do you think the whole home support goes to away games?
Or that no-one has a mobile with internet on? (yes, really they exist)
We took 55 for the record. Not brilliant but not bad for a game we had little chance of winning.
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
Enjoy Whitby then ?
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
I am not one who enjoys internet confrontations but I have to say "Vic" I do find you somewhat of a tiresome T**t coming on here with your fkn snide comments ..
Our lads (and fans) have travelled hundreds of miles today. (I realise that all your games are played within sight of the fkn Pennines) seen there team get a hiding and the last thing any of us really need is you posting your fkn inane comments..
Kindly "Do One"
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
Enjoy Whitby then ?
Whitby revival!
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God you all got home quickly from Crawley. Thought it would be at least 7 before you all got back.
So to be home by 7pm you are suggesting it takes me 2 hours to drive 12 miles. My post name is an obvious give away that I dont currently live in Alty.
Or are you trying to suggest that those who commented on what happened on the pitch are lying as they werent actually at the game?
The reason those of us that get home from some away games quickly and post on this forum as soon as we can, is to give first hand info to those who couldnt attend. Similarly those of us that live at the other end of the country look forward to views on home games from the likes of Ecky, Ballers the Cult ect..
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Oh wait a minute - I get it now ! SEVEN ! Very humorous - for a Northwich fan.
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Also a double whammy as its their away support at some grounds and which is also amount of fans under the age of 65 that they have.
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Wondered how long it would take until one of you got it.
We took around 45 to Whitby and it was not good.
Oh well replay tuesday if you have got nothing else to do.
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Oh well replay tuesday if you have got nothing else to do.
I'd rather see Dave Lee Travis play Macbeth!
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Wondered how long it would take until one of you got it.
A joke isn't funny if it has to be explained.
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Now just about sober I realise I should not have posted, it was just anger but I do think he needs to be more positive with team selections. I WANT him to succeed, he is an Alty legend. Anyhow my post was rash and wrote in red mist. I need to let the past go but Graham did do a great job for us and is a very very good non league manager, rubbish at subs and set pieces though ha !!! anyhow I am behind Kenny so lets crack on !!!!
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Fair play for that post.
Have a goodwin :)
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Indeed, fair play for posting again.
I thought you had a bit more know how than that which you have, thats what shocked me.
We'll have to have a breathalyser on here.. ;)
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Dave Lee Travis playing Macbeth is something I would love to see
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The previous incumbents name should not be mentioned again , whether deliberately or not, if his stewardship had continued we could have gone full circle and ended up where the jotney began. Ken McKenna may or may not be the answer but he deserves our full support after experiencing a baptism of fire.