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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Amsterdam Alty on January 20, 2007, 05:17:10 PM
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"were not going to win this year away from home, i just don;t see it coming"
again i swear they will be karma bombed from now untill the end of the season!! lol seriously though it'll come guys, woking are a good team, having not been there today due to sh*t wind breaking my roof i cant say how we played. So i won't make any assumptions like we deserved the win or we were battered, i will just keep the faith that this away win will comeand you guys should too!
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Woking are hardly setting the Conference alight this year and their home record is not as good as Alty's.
Plus, didn't they have several injured players missing?
I had hoped that today would be the day that we finally broke this away curse.....but another opportunity has passed.
Very depressing.
(OK, karma bomb me then!)
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considering we were unbeaten in 4 conference games I am suprised gh did not start with an established line up?
I think Pat should be on the bench at least.
For me Thomson and little should have started.
Lets hope we do not have to wait until Northwiich for a victory.
The pressure is on again for a home win.
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"having not been there today due to sh*t wind breaking my roof......."
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN EATING?????
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Let us not forget that Woking have also just spent some money getting new players in to improve their league position.
Saying that I wasn't impressed by them but they have now done the double over us scoring 5 goals in the process so they can't be as bad as I thought they were.
Senior looked ok, only small but isn't afraid of taking players on and having a shot. Thought O'Neill looked totally lost playing wide though.
Keep the faith everyone and full credit to those that made the trip to Woking (possibly our worst away support of the season), can we all please not give up and continue to support the team. I know people have money issues or family commitments but if your only reason is that you can't see us winning away then please re-consider what implications that has on the team. The team need you more than ever, they don't need you when they are winning they need you when they are finding it difficult. Lets continue to get behind them 100%
If you can get to the away games then please do and also consider getting the coach, this is a service that needs to be used or else we'll lose it.
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Some observations;
- O'Neill playing on the left just does not work, Rod should have started/played a bigger part
- We need to improve our organisation in terms of defending set pieces
- Changes should have been made after the first goal not the second. It was rather obvious that we had little chance of scoring without altering the side
Keep the faith everyone and full credit to those that made the trip to Woking (possibly our worst away support of the season), can we all please not give up and continue to support the team. I know people have money issues or family commitments but if your only reason is that you can't see us winning away then please re-consider what implications that has on the team. The team need you more than ever, they don't need you when they are winning they need you when they are finding it difficult. Lets continue to get behind them 100%
If you can get to the away games then please do and also consider getting the coach, this is a service that needs to be used or else we'll lose it.
Rubbish!
The best way to support the side is by moaning on the Internet. :P
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Some observations;
- O'Neill playing on the left just does not work, Rod should have started/played a bigger part
f**k me ! If it wasn't obvious at Tampaxworth that he was lost on the left don't tell me he played there again. Jesus Christ put Bowler on he would be more effective.
This is not a go at O'Neill but it was like playing with 10 men at Tampaxworth and from what I can gather it was the same again today.
The poor guy struggles all season to score, then scores 2 in 1 game and then gets lumped out wide on the left!
I don't know what the f**k is going on.
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As always I will be behind the team on Saturday.
However some of the team selection was strange today, but I am not the manager
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Further observation; I realise this point has been made again, and again, and rather a lot of times on top but we really do need a left back.
Curiously we have seven strikers and no dedicated left back.
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Further observation; I realise this point has been made again, and again, and rather a lot of times on top but we really do need a left back.
Curiously we have seven strikers and no dedicated left back.
Jimmy, I couldn't agree more.
I cannot believe that we are planning to go through an entire season without a recognised, authentic left full back on our books.
I am also rather mystified by the decision to loan out McFadden, particularly since he has been involved in setting up some recent goals at Moss Lane.
Poor old Joe O'Neill....
He spends weeks not scoring but is continually selected at centre forward.
He then scores two goals in one game....and his reward is to spend the next two games being played out of position on the wing!
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planning to go through an entire season without a recognised, authentic left full back
Do you really think this is planned ? Do you really think that GH hasn't tried bringing in a left back ? Maybe the conveyor belt of conference left backs is just broken at the moment and we can have our pick of one soon.
I am also rather mystified by the decision to loan out McFadden
Maybe so he can get longer playing time in a league where he should blossom and shine ? He needs to be playing and if he's out on loan then he can get more full 90mins in ? I am a fan of McFadden but can understand why he chose to loan him out.
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On the subject of left backs I went to Droylsden yesterday and was staggered to see that Chris Adams is their 3rd choice left back and can't even get on the bench.
I'm sure he would come back if asked but would this be a backward move?
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As much as I love Chrissy the post above probably says it all.
He struggles to stay fit and playing through the pain barrier in the past for Alty may have caught up with him.
I reckon he would miss more games through injury than play. Whats Droylsdens 2nd choice left back like (not that we could afford him)????
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Chris said that he'd not been as fit and injury free for a long while (but if you're not playing so often it helps) and their left back is a central defender so I don't think any milage in him. Warner (their 1st choice) on the other hand looked very good last time I saw him, good defending and likes to get forward. I dont't think we afford him or that Pace would sell him (esp. to us)
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planning to go through an entire season without a recognised, authentic left full back
Do you really think this is planned ? Do you really think that GH hasn't tried bringing in a left back ? Maybe the conveyor belt of conference left backs is just broken at the moment and we can have our pick of one soon.
We have waited six months so far for a recognised left full back!
I am also rather mystified by the decision to loan out McFadden
Maybe so he can get longer playing time in a league where he should blossom and shine ? He needs to be playing and if he's out on loan then he can get more full 90mins in ? I am a fan of McFadden but can understand why he chose to loan him out.
Ironic then that he was a substitute for Flixton yesterday, so didn't play the full 90 minutes.
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Indeed it is but thats not the clubs fault, we loaned him out to play and obviously thought he had better chance playing for Flixton than for us yesterday ?
We have waited six months so far for a recognised left full back!
Do you know of one we can have and afford then ? Not sure how many free transfer left backs are knocking about, maybe we should ask Crawley if we can look at their list, although I doubt we could afford the wages.
Do you really think we have not been looking for one ?
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Indeed it is but thats not the clubs fault, we loaned him out to play and obviously thought he had better chance playing for Flixton than for us yesterday ?
We have waited six months so far for a recognised left full back!
Do you know of one we can have and afford then ? Not sure how many free transfer left backs are knocking about, maybe we should ask Crawley if we can look at their list, although I doubt we could afford the wages.
Do you really think we have not been looking for one ?
As I do not know the details of the club's wage structure, I have no precise knowledge of who or what we can afford.
However, the fact remains that the absence of a recognised left back persists and needs to be addressed.
A friend, who watches a lot of Welsh League football, recommended a guy called Chris King at TNS...but I suspect that they are paying him far more than we could offer.
Perhaps we need to take a chance on a promising younger player from a lower league club?
After all, Peter Densmore joined Alty from the lowly world of Ford Motors and went on to be a magnificent full back.
Or perhaps Halifax could loan us a 'spare' left back!
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would we not stand a better chance of affording a left back if there weren't 6 or 7 strikers in the squad, plus a new one now on loan?
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Maybe the strategy is to win every game 4-3 in a Kevin Keegan kinda way.
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Not all doom and gloom really. Most of the teams below us lost, or if not, beat each other. I think the away win thing is looking a bit unlikely especially with bizzare selections. I stick by what I've said a number of times. 5 home wins and a few dodgy away draws should do it and the best way to ensure this is to have a number of strikers on the books, who can score goals. The decision to loan out Pat is mind blowing given his recent performances, but we still have enough strikers to score goals against mediocre teams at home - luckily there are enough of these teams still to play. It's a shame it all has to be so tense though, but I suppose that all comes with supporting Alty! Aldershot, Kiddy, Cambridge, Grays and Stafford still to play at home.
AltyBri
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Yesterday was a depressingly familiar end result and product to anyone whose seen us away in the past 2 seasons.
Two fairly mediocre looking sides (the pitch btw was pisspoor, like a rutted field with added sand) and Senior looked very lively in the first half, you think, well at least we can get a point off these. The inevitable (it seems) defensive error/someone falling asleep and bang 1-0 Woking and in the second half we simply did not look like scoring. I can't recall Woking's keeper having a save to make. Something has to change away from home. While the results went our way yesterday, it puts too much pressure on the lads again, next Satd a rejuvenated Kiddy visit the Lane and they will be very hard to beat.
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think the away win thing is looking a bit unlikely especially with bizzare selections.
Again can anyone tell me who you would have selected differently ?
I would like to see Senior on the wing, nippy player who does not mind taking players on but seeing as this was his first game (without a training session) I can understand why he played upfront.
would we not stand a better chance of affording a left back if there weren't 6 or 7 strikers in the squad, plus a new one now on loan?
I'll say this also again, do you know of any good left backs that are available ?
I also think that Peyton has started to do a job at left back. Has started to look more comfortable.
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"(the pitch btw was pisspoor, like a rutted field with added sand)"
Looked to me more like sand with added rutted field!
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think the away win thing is looking a bit unlikely especially with bizzare selections.
Again can anyone tell me who you would have selected differently ?
I would like to see Senior on the wing, nippy player who does not mind taking players on but seeing as this was his first game (without a training session) I can understand why he played upfront.
would we not stand a better chance of affording a left back if there weren't 6 or 7 strikers in the squad, plus a new one now on loan?
I'll say this also again, do you know of any good left backs that are available ?
I also think that Peyton has started to do a job at left back. Has started to look more comfortable.
senoir is a striker so that is where i imagine he is most comfortable playing
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Senior is a striker but my opinion (granted only after one game) is that he could play out wide as he wasn't scared of taking people on and had some pace to beat players
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Do we now have 2 senior strikers?
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I thought Senior looked very hungry, lively and committed. Yes, its his first game and keen to impress etc but there is definitely something there and useful. I think mainly because of his height and stlye too that he needs to play off someone, and would've therefore played O'neill in the centre with him, although to be fair Col was a bit quiet and well shackled yesterday. Also think he could be very useful on the break, need to practise the quick switch play without getting caught offside. I think he'll prove to be a good acquisition.
Woking away is always crap, even if its my nearest game. Last season apart thanks to the cameraderie it is a dead place, and we rarely do well. Two wins I recall since about 1992? Including Gallagher's when Dennis still complained when he scored cos he was out of position!!
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"were not going to win this year away from home, i just don;t see it coming"
again i swear they will be karma bombed from now untill the end of the season!! lol seriously though it'll come guys, woking are a good team, having not been there today due to sh*t wind breaking my roof i cant say how we played. So i won't make any assumptions like we deserved the win or we were battered, i will just keep the faith that this away win will comeand you guys should too!
Woking are not a good side, and hadnt won at home for two months before saturday, ok they had a bit of pace going forward, static defending for the 1st goal and numerous mis-clearances for the second cost us the game, it had 0-0 written all over it after an hour.Hopefully we can move on and get somthing at southport in a couple of weeks time.
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Senior is a striker but my opinion (granted only after one game) is that he could play out wide as he wasn't scared of taking people on and had some pace to beat players
He is a striker, and would probably prefer to be played as a striker whenever possible. We played him on the wing and it wasn't his best position, although he will do the job if it is necessary. If you want the best out of Chris, he needs to be partnered up front with a tall strong unselfish striker.
And if you happen to see him, tell him I miss him already!
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Missed the Woking game, so haven't seen Senior to pass any comment about him. Having said this, Gaz's idea of playing him out wide (since he appears to be fast) with two out and out strikers (Little and Thomson?) for the Kiddy match looks a sensible idea. Though Kiddy have been on a decent run, we more than matched them at their place recently and this has got to go down as one of those home games we can certainly win. With a full squad to choose from and now a bit of pace up front, it doean't look too bad for us, but we will have to start playing well in second halves of games. I haven't seen us play in an attacking sense in a second half for ages. I don't think we are the kind of team, who can allow others to come at us. Mind, if Senior did start on the wing, who would be dropped? Glad I'm not a manager. For the record Gaz, the 'bizzare selection' has been mentioned earlier in this thread - Joe out wide, give us a break! Anyway, heres to three points on Saturday.
AltyBri
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Thats not selection though, thats formation ?
I would like to have seen Little (Left) Oneil (centre) and Senior (Right) in a 3 prong attack against Woking. The midfield of Val, Lawton and Chalmers was one I would have trusted with that formation.
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I'm very sorry but is GH totally infallible? you'd have to think so reading the comments on here
I've been reading this forum since I moved up here and it seems that GH and the board are always right even when they're so bloody obviously not.
Get a life for f**k sake people , you're making yourselves and the club a total laughing stock with this Orwellesqe, almost Soviet or Maoist subservience to the party line and as for the entirely farcical suggestion that Geoff Goodwin be recognised by Trafford Council....Oh please, join the real world.
We have a small Football Club , fighting well above it's weight due to the incredible support it receives from the paying punter and nothing else, not the board, not the management..just the players and the fans
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I'm very sorry but is GH totally infallible? you'd have to think so reading the comments on here
I've been reading this forum since I moved up here and it seems that GH and the board are always right even when they're so bloody obviously not.
I presume you missed all the debates regarding whether Joe O'Neill should have been picked every week? Or perhaps the discussions following every game about how the formation and selection of players should have been different? Or even the worry that we have a tendency to play too defensively away from home? Or even the criticism that Graham isn't proactive enough away from home when we go behind? And don't forget the constant issue regarding the left back situation.
Get a life for f**k sake people , you're making yourselves and the club a total laughing stock with this Orwellesqe, almost Soviet or Maoist subservience to the party line and as for the entirely farcical suggestion that Geoff Goodwin be recognised by Trafford Council....Oh please, join the real world.
Most discontention amongst fans is with regard to the ambition of a club. Often where the fans believe the club should be going and where the resources available to the club will allow them to go do not match up. The 'subservience' as you like to describe it is largely due to the fact that many, if not all of the fans, recognise the restrictions in place regarding finance. As it happens most people are content that the board are doing the best they can do in the circumstances. Would you prefer it if fans were to complain about the current situation just for the sake of it?
It's also untrue that the actions of the board never receive any criticism, there was rather a large debate on the merits of the free tickets for schools scheme not long ago. Has it crossed your mind that the reason the board don't get a lot of criticism is because they are doing quite a good job?
We have a small Football Club , fighting well above it's weight due to the incredible support it receives from the paying punter and nothing else, not the board, not the management..just the players and the fans
Would you care to back up the rather odd assertion that board and the management have nothing to do with the current situation of the club?
What an extremely odd thing to say.
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erm ok so i'm going to do it yep yep definately desrves one so um.. here it comes
whoooosh!!!!!
Kelly rippered my friend!
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No doubt we all have our own views on decisions made by the Board and the Management. Life would be very boring if we did all agree, but I think everyone who has been around at this club for a good while will know that we are where we are because the current Board and Management have kept us on an even keel. If we had gone round spending money on players, putting them on big contracts, and all the other things other clubs seem to try doing to get themselves out of financial trouble, we would be in the Unibond league by now, probably starting with minus points. It would be lovely to think that there is someone out there with a pocket full of money who will come along and empty his pocket in our Board room, but as that has not happened over past years I am not sure it is not going to happen now either. So we deal with the situation as it stands now, and the decision making people make their decisions using the resources they have available to them. We all want the best for AFC so surely that is all we as fans can ask of them.
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We have a small Football Club , fighting well above it's weight due to the incredible support it receives from the paying punter and nothing else, not the board, not the management..just the players and the fans
Где Вы начинать с утверждения как этот. Неправильно по очень многим причинам и вероятно не ценность длинные параграфы ответа.
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Where would you begin with a statement like that. Wrong for so many reasons and probably not worth the long paragraphs of reply.
ps: if we didn't have a board we wouldn't have a football club. Think about it.
pps: we haven't had a dissenting voice for a while have we ?
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I'm very sorry but is GH totally infallible? you'd have to think so reading the comments on here
I've been reading this forum since I moved up here and it seems that GH and the board are always right even when they're so bloody obviously not.
Get a life for f**k sake people , you're making yourselves and the club a total laughing stock with this Orwellesqe, almost Soviet or Maoist subservience to the party line and as for the entirely farcical suggestion that Geoff Goodwin be recognised by Trafford Council....Oh please, join the real world.
We have a small Football Club , fighting well above it's weight due to the incredible support it receives from the paying punter and nothing else, not the board, not the management..just the players and the fans
No, GH is not infallible, nor is the board. Look at the criticisms the manager is getting at the moment. Both have done things I disagree with but, on the whole, they have done an excellent job. Maybe the bigger picture needs to be looked at.
And to say that what we have achieved is nothing to do with the board or management is very unfair. I trust if things aren't going so well then the fans won't be to blame?
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Get a life for f**k sake people , you're making yourselves and the club a total laughing stock with this Orwellesqe, almost Soviet or Maoist subservience to the party line and as for the entirely farcical suggestion that Geoff Goodwin be recognised by Trafford Council....Oh please, join the real world.
We have a small Football Club , fighting well above it's weight due to the incredible support it receives from the paying punter and nothing else, not the board, not the management..just the players and the fans
It would be wrong to talk down the impact of the board, especially when you compare to some of the boards (I particularly refer to certain men) over the last 20 years (here &, for that matter, at other clubs I could mention in the Conference).
Some ruin the club, some save them - I am glad we have the latter.
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I won't spend too much time on the comment from Trouserpress because the statement made about the contribution of the Board and Management provides me with enough evidence to see that this person is either very naive, illformed or stupid (or all three).
Trouserpress, are the players / fans at the ground right now mowing the grass; stocking the bar, washing the kit, looking for a left back and finding new ways to pay the next electric bill ? No they are not; but you can bet that the management will be, fully supported by the Board, one of whom is walking to Northwich as I write to raise funds for the club and for a cancer charity.
"..........been on this forum since I moved up here"...............we would be interested to know which planet you moved here from !
You are entitled to your opinion, and I agree the Board and Management must listen to constructive critiscm from the fans, but on this occassion you are so wrong and owe them an apology.
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The behind the scenes team at Altrincham is a long standing and dedicated group of people who are also fans of the club. Directors are also fans otherwise why would they bother. There's really nothing in it for them other than satisfaction and/or frustration depending on the day of the week or the direction the wind is blowing.