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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Hamilton on November 28, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
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...as there seems to be a general concensus that we need a net increase of 2 or 3 players.
If 2 or 3 are released that means finding up to 6 decent enough players for the right positions, who will accept Alty wages and, if currently full time, willing to go part time and who will cost nowt and are, one way or another, available and, if at a lower level, may be unproven for BSN.
I fear improvement to the squad will not be easy!
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for me its not even about finding full timers and bringing them down to our level on a contract, i would go as far as saying i would prefer a few loanees from a higher level that have a point to prove ie shotton, sheridan etc, hard to find i know but if GH could then im sure LS can too.
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for me its not even about finding full timers and bringing them down to our level on a contract, i would go as far as saying i would prefer a few loanees from a higher level that have a point to prove ie shotton, sheridan etc, hard to find i know but if GH could then im sure LS can too.
For every loanee such as Sheridan and Shotton there are too many who don't make any impact. In fairness one of the issues we have is that few are here long enough to make a real impact or to really care!
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Net? Wonderful pun
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...as there seems to be a general concensus that we need a net increase of 2 or 3 players.
If 2 or 3 are released that means finding up to 6 decent enough players for the right positions, who will accept Alty wages and, if currently full time, willing to go part time and who will cost nowt and are, one way or another, available and, if at a lower level, may be unproven for BSN.
I fear improvement to the squad will not be easy!
we doomed then?
Let's just accept BSN mid table
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With cup run money and the team only midtable it shouldn't be to difficult to improve squad
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With cup run money and the team only midtable it shouldn't be to difficult to improve squad
your an optimist Jimmy
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Am I do I seem a optimist in the pub
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There's nothing new about any of the points raised in this thread. They are the same difficulties faced by most managers on a relatively limited budget. The way I see it we have two options:
1) Do nothing and remain mid-table for the rest of the season.
or
2) Strengthen the squad and at least give ourselves a chance of going up.
Doing nothing is the worst thing we could possibly do right now.
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Am I do I seem a optimist in the pub
you been drinking again?
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Iv heard the budget is competitive
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Only on a saturday
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I didn't say it wasn't competitive, but in the greater scheme of things it is still relatively limited. My point being that any manager working with a degree of budgetary constraint (ie. not Crawley/Fleetwood) will inevitably face the challenges outlined in the original post of this thread.
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I would look at the possibility of bringing in a big name player who is nearing the end of his career and thinking about going into management who might consider a short term job as player/trainee manager. Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs would double attendances. Fergie might be interested in some sort of loan arrangement.
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I didn't say it wasn't competitive, but in the greater scheme of things it is still relatively limited. My point being that any manager working with a degree of budgetary constraint (ie. not Crawley/Fleetwood) will inevitably face the challenges outlined in the original post of this thread.
you don't need the budget of Crawley/Fleetwood to get BSN play offs
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I never said you did.
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I didn't say it wasn't competitive, but in the greater scheme of things it is still relatively limited. My point being that any manager working with a degree of budgetary constraint (ie. not Crawley/Fleetwood) will inevitably face the challenges outlined in the original post of this thread.
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We have 800 people paying 13 quid a time we have made about 70 grand from the cup if that's not enough to get near the playoffs we might aswell not bother
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I think people are reading something that I'm not writing here.
I was basically making the point that the challenges outlined in the original post in this thread should be all in a days work for any manager worth his salt. My reference to budgetary constraints was merely to make the point that managers of super rich clubs would not necessarily face such challenges, as buying players when you've got a blank chequebook is a piece of piss.
Just to clarify, I am well aware that Altrincham FC has a competitive playing budget for this level of football, even more so now we have earned the money from our FA Cup run.
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As far as I am concerned we have a squad of 15. (this is discounting Ryan Brooke and a couple of the younger lads who i think are on loan).
Nicky CLEE
Stuart COBURN
Shaun DENSMORE
Matt DOUGHTY
Jamie GREYGOOSE / Adam REID
Danny HALL
Gianluca HAVERN
James LAWRIE
Scott LEATHER
Daniel MITCHLEY
Jake MOULT
Damian REEVES
Simon RICHMAN
Carl RODGERS
Duncan WATMORE
If we could magically keep everyone fit all season, I think we'd finish 4th. The starting XI pretty much picks itself, however we'd still only have 4 players on the bench.
for me we need:
1) A leftback who can also fill in at centre back (ie. a left footed scott leather.)
2) A Genuine ball winning midfielder who isn't injury prone.
3) A Forward who is better than Ryan Brooke.
Getting ahead of myself, such a player, wishing to play parttime may command a wage of perhaps £300 per week. on a contact until the end of the season (approx 28 weeks) that works out at £8,400 per player - ie. £25k until the end of the season to give us a fighting chance at finishing in the play offs. It's a lot of money, but a gamble worth taking IMHO.
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I think people are reading something that I'm not writing here.
I was basically making the point that the challenges outlined in the original post in this thread should be all in a days work for any manager worth his salt. My reference to budgetary constraints was merely to make the point that managers of super rich clubs would not necessarily face such challenges, as buying players when you've got a blank chequebook is a piece of piss.
Just to clarify, I am well aware that Altrincham FC has a competitive playing budget for this level of football, even more so now we have earned the money from our FA Cup run.
ok so no excuses for not getting play off then
P45 for LS if no play off
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I like that last bit dan getting a forward who is better than Ryan Brooke if he can't manage that I'm not sure he should work again
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I think people are reading something that I'm not writing here.
I was basically making the point that the challenges outlined in the original post in this thread should be all in a days work for any manager worth his salt. My reference to budgetary constraints was merely to make the point that managers of super rich clubs would not necessarily face such challenges, as buying players when you've got a blank chequebook is a piece of piss.
Just to clarify, I am well aware that Altrincham FC has a competitive playing budget for this level of football, even more so now we have earned the money from our FA Cup run.
Fair enough
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Isn't Beckham available ;D ;) ;) ;)
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I would look at the possibility of bringing in a big name player who is nearing the end of his career and thinking about going into management who might consider a short term job as player/trainee manager. Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs would double attendances. Fergie might be interested in some sort of loan arrangement.
Nicky Butt is still living local and looking for a job as a manager.
He was my 1st choice last summer, and given the chance to swap him for sinnott, i'd do it in an instance. Unproven but a great winning mentality.
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Cost a fortune we couldn't pay anybody a 6 figure a year salary
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Cost a fortune besides most players managed by taggart have an awful track record in management he would want 100 grand a year at least
Tbf Strachan, Mcleish, Keane, Solskjaer have all won league championships whilst in management.
Hughes did good with Wales (let's be honest that's a task in itself) and then made blackburn a side that mattered, granted its not gone well since but I think just as players have levels so do managers.
And Steve Bruce did a really good job with Birmingham and Wigan
So if we consider that there usually quite successful (even if in the short tem / early part of there managerial career) I'd accept that.
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Fair point and I did delete it however the main point is his wage demands budget demands would be unrealistic
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Cost a fortune besides most players managed by taggart have an awful track record in management he would want 100 grand a year at least
Tbf Strachan, Mcleish, Keane, Solskjaer have all won league championships whilst in management.
Hughes did good with Wales (let's be honest that's a task in itself) and then made blackburn a side that mattered, granted its not gone well since but I think just as players have levels so do managers.
And Steve Bruce did a really good job with Birmingham and Wigan
So if we consider that there usually quite successful (even if in the short tem / early part of there managerial career) I'd accept that.
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