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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: SW on September 15, 2008, 10:09:26 PM
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A lot of this stuff on here serves no purpose at all apart from causing division. There will always be pro and anti people in any situation however all this infighting crap serves no one but our opponents. Geoff Goodwin runs the club, he will or should decide what happens.
For me GH has listened and brought in a good selection of signings. Stevenage are much better than Alty and we were never going to win there against a side who have dropped points and are determined to prove a point and get on track. We did badly against Barrow and Salisbury, hopefully we should beat Lewes; not if this negative sh*t continues though.
If you read Stevenage's board you will see GH gets a pretty good reception. I guess due to his reputation a selection of fans attempted to wind him up whereas he seems to have responded with humour. Those of ours slagging him may understandably not realised this, but it seems he wasn't engaged in a petulant row........as for his opinion of female officials, well no comment.
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There was a game on the time. His team were playing behind his back, with no pattern or formation. Behind the goal 80 people, most who had spent £50 on the day, had to watch.
I'm glad the Stevenage fans enjoyed a laugh and a joke. I personally didn't find it very f*cking funny.
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f**k it sw dont be frightened of phil taylor he is just trying to get in in amy's knickers (or any girls team)
football is for men full stop
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No Ecky but as people behind the goal thought he wasn't kicking off. People behind were seemingly trying to wind him up based on his reputation. It seems he responded with humour and maturity, as far as the situation allowed. Perhaps people would rather he was sent to the stand.
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Stevenage are much better than Alty and we were never going to win there
Did you do the team talk on saturday?
Its this defeatest approach that we seem to have adopted in recent years that kills me,its all about giving clubs to much repsect, stevenage are f**king sh*t.... at best a moderate midtable side with reasonable forward line, eastbourne who are even sh*tter will tell you that.Just because a team is called stevenage or oxford united doesnt mean we shouldnt try and beat them.
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I'm not bothered if he was laughing, joking or fighting them.
The fact was he spent a hell of a lot of the second half engaged in conversation with other fans whilst his team offered nothing on the pitch. I cannot understand that.
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Perhaps people would rather he was sent to the stand.
Perhaps people would rather the formation wasnt changed twice in the first half,and rather that players knews who was supposed to be playing where, and perhaps people would rather see the manager peforming the half time team talk.Are we not allowed to object now? Praise when praise is due, so let people have their say, saturday was a real low point.
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he spent a hell of a lot of the second half engaged in conversation with other fans whilst his team offered nothing on the pitch.
It's also worth adding that this was not an isolated incident either. It happens at nearly every away ground we play at and also at home for that matter.
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Behave! They were very organised and we would never have scored there if we were playing now. I love your passion but sometimes realism is necessary. We played better on Saturday against a good side than we would have in previous seasons. At least we had some possession and passed the ball. We just did not have the ability or more the confidence to break them down with the last pass.
How this collective diatribe against the players and management is supposed to help I'm at a loss to understand.
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On the subject of Amy Raynor, I think she was the best ref we've had this season.Let the game flow,kept bookings to minimal,got most decisions right (only time I thought she got it wrong was an offside against us,though I heard but didn't see, Stevenage should have had a penalty beforehand but it was turned down).We are quick to moan about refs,but rarely praise a good one.
And maybe it was good of him to laugh it off,but the best thing would be to just ignore it and concentrate trying to get a way back in the game (I know we as fans knew the game was gone,but a manager should never think that at 2-0 down,get 1 back and who knows)
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I don't think most people are saying a word against the players though. In fact, most people are now recognising that we have good players who are being organised so poorly that they are looking bad.
Fault 100% lies with the manager here. His off-the-field antics during games are just the final insult.
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Behave! They were very organised and we would never have scored there if we were playing now. I love your passion but sometimes realism is necessary. We played better on Saturday against a good side than we would have in previous seasons. At least we had some possession and passed the ball. We just did not have the ability or more the confidence to break them down with the last pass.
How this collective diatribe against the players and management is supposed to help I'm at a loss to understand.
Did we not win on the same ground season before last with a poorer squad???? And if "at least having some possession and passing the ball" is what you hold out for, then fair do's,But with respect Im not prepaired to waste a day sitting in a minibus for 8 hours to to see us have some f**king possession.People seem to forget we're playing in the same league as these clubs, barrow and eastbourne and histon dont seem to bemoan or appear disadvantaged by that fact.
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I kind of agree about changing things early but who knows what was expected at kick off and what transpired. I admit to being confused as to the removal of Elam and Denham though. I think that really reduced our options having earlier brought Senior on and taken a defender off.
Bottom line, Stevenage are not sh1t, they are one of the league's stronger sides, if we had done Eastbourne, perhaps Salisbury too I suspect all would be hugs and kisses on here?
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Behave! They were very organised and we would never have scored there if we were playing now. I love your passion but sometimes realism is necessary. We played better on Saturday against a good side than we would have in previous seasons. At least we had some possession and passed the ball. We just did not have the ability or more the confidence to break them down with the last pass.
How this collective diatribe against the players and management is supposed to help I'm at a loss to understand.
I am at a loss to celebrate having some possession.
People standards have dropped so low that a 3-0 defeat without a fight, 1 shot, some of the worst free kicks I have ever seen is now accepted by some.
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I agree possession does not win games but having seen so many when we camp in our own half and when we get the ball it is hoofed out into random land to allow them to regroup and press forward again its a fckn step up!
We are not in this league financially. a tragedy to me who saw us as a top non league side in the 70's/80's but we did not compete off the field. We need to accept that sadly Alty are no longer massive in non league circles, if we are to gain ground its a long way back.
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But Barrow and Histon are no better off than we are and they are ticking along very nicely. I don't think finance is AS BIG a factor as we all might have been led to believe. I'm not saying it's not a factor but the financial and part time angles are being blown apart by the above clubs at the moment.
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I don't know much about Barra but I'm pretty sure Histon are heavily backed financially.
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Histon part time, hmmmmmmm :D
I think they might be part time in the same way Burton are.
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if we had done Eastbourne, perhaps Salisbury too I suspect all would be hugs and kisses on here?
Well, yeh, probably because the team would be making progress. We'd have 6 more points, 12 from 8 would be a return far closer to our mark.
But we didn't, we failed to put away a very moderate part time football team with not much more resources than us. However, they've got 7 more points than we have, clearly it is possible. Ditto Barrow, Histon and to a lesser extent Salisbury City. So I'mnot quite sure that I see you're point, if you're suggesting that we could or should have snatched 6 points instead of 1 I'm not so sure.
Nobody thinks we are this league financially, nobody thinks we're going to finish in the top 10 but the team has gone backwards from the 2006-07 season where teams had a scrap at Moss Lane regardless. It really has. We all beileve we can do better than we currently can. If people think we can't then there's not that much point in it all. Anybody who thinks we can't should probably be doing something else. And if you say we can't then a lot of people will.
I wish we had got 6 points as you mentioned, I wish we ahd put Barrow away I really do. I just fear this is going to get worse.
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Its just that this sudden overwhelming display of dissent follows a difficult away game we would normally have not expected much from. It should wait till next week when I think we all would expect something better. Infighting now can only to me reduce the likelihood of that happening.
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Its just that this sudden overwhelming display of dissent follows a difficult away game we would normally have not expected much from. It should wait till next week when I think we all would expect something better. Infighting now can only to me reduce the likelihood of that happening.
If we as fans go to games with that attitude what is the players attitudes ?
I think the times of 'didn't expect/don't expect' are long gone, and in the last few seasons it is the teams of that calibre we have gotten something from..
Oxford away few seasons back, Exeter at home too, and a few weeks ago Wrexham...
Part time is no longer an excuse, neither is fitness to be honest, and finance as all them points have been blown to bits and proven invalid at other clubs.
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Isn't it riidiculous entering the FA Cup this year? we should pull out now as we're never gonna beat anyone we get drawn against....in fact, we may as well resign from the league...OK we may beat lewes but the rest of them we are never gonna beat, we might just string a few passes together at most....that's the attitude!
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I'll go home and wax lyrical to the wife "yes, we lost but you should have seen how we held on to it for 2-3 minutes"
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Are some people for real? What has to happen for people to wake up and smell the coffee. It's like every sunday, a Dads Army of Alty fans get together and make sure they have all potential "divisive threads" covered to explain another joke performance.
"We only had 2-3 mins of possession" - "that's because we're part time" ...................
"GH is a joke" - "he has done a lot for this club you know" .............
"We were awful on Saturday" - "We can't have ever expected to win that game" ................. etc etc
People bemoan the lack of support both on this forum and in the stands on matchday but the simple fact is that the club should be thankful that supporters passions for this club run so high. Based on the product that is served up for £12 a week, they are extremely lucky to have us.
The excuses are gone now. They have all ran out. I didn't go to Stevenage or Eastbourne but if I had travelled "x" hundred miles to see total drivel, I would be even more livid about this "if you go to Stevenage, don't expect us to to put up a fight, let alone win" bull***t that gets served up on here.
Rant Over.
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he spent a hell of a lot of the second half engaged in conversation with other fans whilst his team offered nothing on the pitch.
It's also worth adding that this was not an isolated incident either. It happens at nearly every away ground we play at and also at home for that matter.
Only, at home, the fans get abused and threatened. >:( >:(
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sw, you seem to be in the small minority who doesnt want a change ,
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That is not what I am saying at all although what good it would do I'm unsure. Getting someone committed and knowlegeable about this level and the local scene will not be straightforward.
My comments relate to a sudden groundswell of opinion coming after a difficult away game most would admit if only to themselves that it isn't on the "list" of expected results. I believe the influx of new players have created an expectation that hasn't been around for many years.
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I see your point mate but I don't think it's so much the result at Stevenage in isolation that has acted as the catalyst for this situation. It's down to a series of progressively poorer performances, culminating in what I belive was a completely gutless display last Saturday. There is a clear downward trend in our performances which needs to be turned around at all costs. There is now a growing concensus that Graham's shelf life has reached its natural end and we as fans just want thr results turned around before it's too late.
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My comments relate to a sudden groundswell of opinion coming after a difficult away game most would admit if only to themselves that it isn't on the "list" of expected results. I believe the influx of new players have created an expectation that hasn't been around for many years.
ROFL......jaysus wept, nurse, I think my sides have split.
I, for one, did not expect any more from this season even after the signings (and it gives me no pleasure to say that). We all expect life to be difficult for us in this league at the moment, but all most people are looking for is some sort of fight. Christ, this is like an old record stuck in an ever deepening groove. I refer you to a posting I made after the last game of last season (nothing has changed):
http://www.altyfans.co.uk/index.php?topic=5419.msg51689#msg51689
This is all very sad and all very tiresome and you are correct, it does no good for us, the players, the club or indeed Heathcote. I'm sure most people in their heart of hearts would love to see Heathcote succeed and prove us wrong, but how long do you keep waiting for that to happen?
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But surely sw the arrival of quality players wsuch as elam and denham should make us think in a more positive way.
Personally, i knew there was no way we would win at stevenage (is it right that i think that way)mty main bugbear is the manner of defeat, and i can only go off what few games i have seen. Woking we played well thus giving fresh hope for a fresh season, barrow we played well but made crazy mistakes at the back but we had a go at the them . kiddie we were woeful there was no passion and we barely strang three passes together all game, to me the team looked deflated. i believe we have the players but dont play them to the best of there ability.
draw your own conclusions where i stand in the great debate
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yes barrow and co are ticking along nicely but come may they wil be where we are and northwich and lewes etc but hopefully we wil be above 4 of them
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yes barrow and co are ticking along nicely but come may they wil be where we are and northwich and lewes etc but hopefully we wil be above 4 of them
and if barra do go down at least they can say we had a go at the big teams and went down fighting
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exactly my point but put alot more eloquently.
if we go down lets go down in a blaze of flames (like jean pierre the fighter pilot)