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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on October 21, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
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From official site:
Altrincham entertain Chester FC at the J. Davidson Stadium this Saturday (24th) in the FA Cup Fourth qualifying Round (3pm). Altrincham FC has issued the following statement as regards the location of away fans within the stadium...
"Due to the number of enquiries that we and Chester FC have had concerning segregation for Saturday's FA Cup fixture, we would like to state that, following a meeting between the Club and the local police, due to the numbers predicted to travel, the Chester fans will be housed in the normal away terracing but covered accommodation will be made available to travelling fans if inclement weather conditions are predicted/occur".
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for heavens sake.
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If inclement weather is predicted can't they bring an umbrella and coat? I make that 1-0 to Chester
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Rain predicted for Saturday, so they have half the pop side - Brilliant !!!
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To be fair, I don't think you can discount the level of influence the Police will have had in making this decision. They will have risk assessed the whole situation and probably looked upon the provision of covered terracing as one way of potentially deterring people from going in the home end if it's pissing down.
Edit: The weather forecast for Saturday is gash, so it looks like this will happen....
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I know this is a major gripe for many, but I look it at that all home support will be in smaller area thus creating a better atmosphere.
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Surely it wont matter what happens on the day,
the segregation fences will need to be put up the day before at the latest I would think. Think its fair to assume they'll be there regardless even if its bright sunshine on Saturday, without a major upturn in the forecast.
Chester must have forgotten a couple of years back when they gave us an area of 350 seats for about 400 people!
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If inclement weather is predicted can't they bring an umbrella and coat? I make that 1-0 to Chester
if there is a replay we are covered I make that 1 each
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To be fair, I don't think you can discount the level of influence the Police will have had in making this decision. They will have risk assessed the whole situation and probably looked upon the provision of covered terracing as one way of potentially deterring people from going in the home end if it's pissing down.
Edit: The weather forecast for Saturday is gash, so it looks like this will happen....
DID THEY COME IN THE GOLF ROAD END LAST TIME BECAUSE THEY WERE COLD?? ???
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If inclement weather is predicted can't they bring an umbrella and coat? I make that 1-0 to Chester
if there is a replay we are covered I make that 1 each
Are they giving us their main singing area? Very generous
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The policy actually means that for any game likely to have a big away following we lose part of the Pop Side. Imagine the police and stewards trying to move the Aly fans part way through a game because it's going to start raining. That IS a safety issue, which is why it won't happen. This is the north of England, is has been known to rain.
The policy as it stands is disingenuous.
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Why only allocate them part of the pop side? If they bring over 800 surely a third of the pop side can't accommodate them.
You'd have to allocate them two thirds.
Or is it okay for half of them to get wet but the other half not?
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To be fair, I don't think you can discount the level of influence the Police will have had in making this decision. They will have risk assessed the whole situation and probably looked upon the provision of covered terracing as one way of potentially deterring people from going in the home end if it's pissing down.
Edit: The weather forecast for Saturday is gash, so it looks like this will happen....
DID THEY COME IN THE GOLF ROAD END LAST TIME BECAUSE THEY WERE COLD?? ???
I'm just saying that a Police officer risk assessing the situation would take all factors into account. Weather is one of many factors and obviously not the one which made people come in the home end last time.
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If inclement weather is predicted can't they bring an umbrella and coat? I make that 1-0 to Chester
if there is a replay we are covered I make that 1 each
Are they giving us their main singing area? Very generous
are we giving them golf road?
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If inclement weather is predicted can't they bring an umbrella and coat? I make that 1-0 to Chester
if there is a replay we are covered I make that 1 each
Are they giving us their main singing area? Very generous
are we giving them golf road?
Might as well do, or we could switch the the tie. Away ends holds 1,400
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Whilst I understand and, in general agree with the views re giving part of the Popular Side to Chester, the bit of me which still wears the safety hat cannot but agree that if the Police have had an input into the decision then, irrespective of what anyone might think, the Club has absolutely no option but to comply.
One has to remember that the Police have the power to reduce the capacity, to make the game all ticket or even to close any part or all of the ground.
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I understand all these points however, the away end holds 1400, they'll bring no where near that amount. Here's what it says on Chester FCs official website;
it is £14 to stand in the uncovered away end, away fans are welcome in the main stand for £15.
Their choice. Problem solved. Wouldn't happen at any other club this, your away from home you get what your given. Most important game of the season and for the sake of a few people who come here once/twice a year we are prepared to make the atmosphere flat in the home section. We might as well switch the tie if we can't accommodate a few hundred away fans in a terrace that holds 1400 people. Should we get through the tie and go away to southport or even football league sides like York, we'll stood up, in the open air, it's what happens.
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The point I am trying to make Pete is that WE are not making this decision.
WE have to abide by the instructions issued to us by the local constabulary.
Perhaps sometimes they get duff info from the visitors, sometimes maybe they implement slightly conservative plans in terms of numbers, accommodation etc but GMP are regarded as the best Force where policing sports events are concerned
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No police force in the country surely says give them some cover if there's a chance of it raining.
Along with the huge swathe of open away ended non league clubs making it in to round one
Gillingham
Swindon
Accrington
Bristol Rovers
Exeter City
Yeovil
York City
All enter at the next round, all have open away ends, if they draw Manchester United in the third round at home, guess where the away supporters will be located
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http://www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=82130
Chester fans seeing it differently.
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That massively well supported, the club went under on gates of 650, and what's more after the farce at the little deva stadium a couple of years back where we couldn't actually all be accommodated they've got a nerve
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I noticed what they put on forum they do have a nerve about the price it's the cheapest in the Leauge and pehaps you get better treatment when in the previous match you don't go in the home end and be a nuisance
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The Police will have no involvement in the issuing of pop side to chester fans to keep them dry so that they dont hurt each other with umbrellas.
The Police will however have comment on stewarding and allowing away supporters in to the home end and also not acting when advised of a possible problem which results in a fight.
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Not even worth having this discussion/ argument anymore. We all know the last time we were in this division we had full away ends with no additional segregation and everything went smoothly (even in several games against v*cs)
God help this fourm and the club if we draw 36 at home (subject to making the first round)
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Another point is that with no United or City game, the attendance could be very large indeed and 2500 or more are possible, maybe 2800?
800 in the away and half way down the pop side with bags of room.
1500 in the smaller home end and half way down the side all cramped up and pushing people out of their usual position.
500 elsewhere in the ground such as family and main stand.
The club is begging for money, LS is begging for a good result, the crowd are begging for a cup run, so lets give Chester a little advantage of a roof with 800 pissed up fans singing loudly to boost their teams performance.
We need to toughen up, seriously we do and stop being soft.
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Lets hope stewards are checking that its home fans only coming in at the Golf Road End ,Didnt happen against Tranmere not when I went in anyway.Luckily they didnt try to get in the home end.
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I never say anything bad about the club but this is a major own goal , after the debacle of there fans in the home end , firstly they should have the usual away end and no more ,and if you want to put your safety hat on keep them penned in so they don't attack alty fans which as i remember the stewards didn't cover themselves in glory to protect home fans
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Can we not give them the dunne and gray (whatever happend to brown) stand? That way they are covered and can be charged more for being seated?
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The ground committee weren't consulted on this
Farce
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will the stewards be briefed to act swiftly on any reports of away fans unable to read in the golf rd end?
would like to hear a warning that any such illiteracy will be punished by ejection and refusal to readmit into the away end.
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Just another example of the club not taking the FA cup seriously.
Can you name another club that would so easily give up its home advantage in such an important income generating competion?
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We weren't in that section for the last game against Chester, don't remember all this fuss.
I doubt we would have been in that section anyway as last time and I'm pretty sure if we were getting drowned and there was an empty roof section we would be demanding to go in it just like Chester fans would.
Takes out any reason for Chester fans without colours to come in our end if it's torrential rain. You can have as many stewards as you want outside but if someone wants to get in incognito then they willl.
Football is changing, we may well have been baying over the wall against big away followings in the past (including Vics) but these were people in shirts and scarves and banter is what it was.
That was pre Green Street type films when these youngsters were encouraged to dress up and mob up on "away days", bring flares and smoke bombs and behave like dicks for the youtube camera. That's the issue, not our organisation. This behaviour is forcing us to steward games like this. It's when we do it for games that have no idiots it's frustrating and not needed in my opinion.
We're in our home end all game like most teams in this league. People who want to stand down either side can still do so.
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All it takes couple of police outside both ends and no one will go in wrong end which will happen as the club have got used to bigger games After a few years without any
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Bingo - I think this says it all from Ecky. People are referring back not to the last time Chester were here but the time before, when the crowd management was totally inadequate and Chester fans got in the home end. The last time was New Years day and the organisation was a lot better, no issues off the field and we walloped them 4-1 (Mr Clee n Mr Reeves had stormers).
Can't really see all the fuss, have police at the home turnstiles to curb any balloonheads (can't see it being an issue really), get all the Alty fans in the Golf Road end and north end of popular side and cheer the lads on.
We weren't in that section for the last game against Chester, don't remember all this fuss.
I doubt we would have been in that section anyway as last time and I'm pretty sure if we were getting drowned and there was an empty roof section we would be demanding to go in it just like Chester fans would.
Takes out any reason for Chester fans without colours to come in our end if it's torrential rain. You can have as many stewards as you want outside but if someone wants to get in incognito then they willl.
Football is changing, we may well have been baying over the wall against big away followings in the past (including Vics) but these were people in shirts and scarves and banter is what it was.
That was pre Green Street type films when these youngsters were encouraged to dress up and mob up on "away days", bring flares and smoke bombs and behave like dicks for the youtube camera. That's the issue, not our organisation. This behaviour is forcing us to steward games like this. It's when we do it for games that have no idiots it's frustrating and not needed in my opinion.
We're in our home end all game like most teams in this league. People who want to stand down either side can still do so.
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I think we are making an issue out of nothing. The away end is the open Chequers End - end of story.
Why should home fans be inconvenience because soft away fans don't like getting wet.
Any away fans that enter the home end should be ejected from the ground.
I know two wrongs don't make a right, but we have been treated very badly over the last 15 months at some away grounds.
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I think we are making an issue out of nothing. The away end is the open Chequers End - end of story.
Why should home fans be inconvenience because soft away fans don't like getting wet.
Any away fans that enter the home end should be ejected from the ground.
I know two wrongs don't make a right, but we have been treated very badly over the last 15 months at some away grounds.
I doubt the home fans were ever going to be stood up to that wall though for a game like this though anyway so it won't make much difference to the home fans.
As for just ejecting away fans from the home end then that just making a difficult task rather simple on paper. Pretty sure that the Police don't really want to be doing that if it's at all possible and I'm not sure I want to be caught up in it either. On games like this they have the final say on what happens.
And if it's not raining then they won't get it anyway.
I'd rather put supporter safety and try to minimise the PR damage of trouble at Alty from a families point of (that we do so well to avoid) ahead of the fact that Chester fans are singing a bit louder.
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Ive just had a local copoer in my cab and he reckons after a liason meeting between both clubs they expect between 800 and 1200 chester fans with a gate that could hit 3k personally that sounds a lil ott but thats what they think.
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In any instance such as this, the Police will have to plan for the "worst case scenario", so although 3,000 is an unlikely gate, they will still be fully prepared for it.
Seems pretty sensible planning to me.
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In any instance such as this, the Police will have to plan for the "worst case scenario", so although 3,000 is an unlikely gate, they will still be fully prepared for it.
Seems pretty sensible planning to me.
i agree that they will bring 800 maybe a bit more no idea where they get 3 thousand crowd from
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I agree, looking at it realistically we will probably get a crowd in the region of 2,000-2,500. However, as the potential exists for a crowd of 3,000 (even though it's unlikely), they would have to incorporate that into their planning procedure.
Nobody on here predicted we'd get 4,500 for the playoff final, but it happened. The police (and probably "the club") would get absolutely slaughtered if they only planned for 2,000 and a much bigger crowd turned up, bringing with it potential problems beyond their planned resources.
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Don't forget no United no City playing on Saturday
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What's the policy regarding away supporters and the Community Sports Hall?
As the main stand will be unsegregated, Chester fans would be able to access the CSH.
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What's the policy regarding away supporters and the Community Sports Hall?
As the main stand will be unsegregated, Chester fans would be able to access the CSH.
Isn't that the point of the divider in the CSH so that it can be segregated and used by two different fan groups on a match day?
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What's the policy regarding away supporters and the Community Sports Hall?
As the main stand will be unsegregated, Chester fans would be able to access the CSH.
Isn't that the point of the divider in the CSH so that it can be segregated and used by two different fan groups on a match day?
We've already given them half of the pop side and now you want to give them half of the bar? What do you want to do, ruin the club? You're just giving them an advantage!
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I agree, looking at it realistically we will probably get a crowd in the region of 2,000-2,500. However, as the potential exists for a crowd of 3,000 (even though it's unlikely), they would have to incorporate that into their planning procedure.
Nobody on here predicted we'd get 4,500 for the playoff final, but it happened. The police (and probably "the club") would get absolutely slaughtered if they only planned for 2,000 and a much bigger crowd turned up, bringing with it potential problems beyond their planned resources.
the crowd will be more like 1,600. They will have about 600
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They will have more than that the crowd will probably be about 1900
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I reckon 2000 split 50/50ish.
H block will go where they want.
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Looking at the forecast on BBC just now , the rain will pass through Moss Lane about 2-30pm so no reason why the Chester fans cant stay in the uncovered bit of the away end...
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Good to know that now no inclement weather is predicted we will have full access to the entire popular side
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Two mistakes made today, the first was letting their fans in the pop side, the second was then giving them a larger area when it was spitting for five mins. Poor
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I agree, looking at it realistically we will probably get a crowd in the region of 2,000-2,500. However, as the potential exists for a crowd of 3,000 (even though it's unlikely), they would have to incorporate that into their planning procedure.
Nobody on here predicted we'd get 4,500 for the playoff final, but it happened. The police (and probably "the club") would get absolutely slaughtered if they only planned for 2,000 and a much bigger crowd turned up, bringing with it potential problems beyond their planned resources.
the crowd will be more like 1,600. They will have about 600
Good shout : 1603
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I agree, looking at it realistically we will probably get a crowd in the region of 2,000-2,500. However, as the potential exists for a crowd of 3,000 (even though it's unlikely), they would have to incorporate that into their planning procedure.
Nobody on here predicted we'd get 4,500 for the playoff final, but it happened. The police (and probably "the club") would get absolutely slaughtered if they only planned for 2,000 and a much bigger crowd turned up, bringing with it potential problems beyond their planned resources.
the crowd will be more like 1,600. They will have about 600
Good shout : 1603
looked more to me
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2000 at least, great win
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I agree, looking at it realistically we will probably get a crowd in the region of 2,000-2,500. However, as the potential exists for a crowd of 3,000 (even though it's unlikely), they would have to incorporate that into their planning procedure.
Nobody on here predicted we'd get 4,500 for the playoff final, but it happened. The police (and probably "the club") would get absolutely slaughtered if they only planned for 2,000 and a much bigger crowd turned up, bringing with it potential problems beyond their planned resources.
the crowd will be more like 1,600. They will have about 600
how close was this prediction?
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It was a very good prediction. What's your point?
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It was a very good prediction. What's your point?
that your out of touch
See you at Christmas
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It was a very good prediction. What's your point?
that your out of touch
See you at Christmas
Congratulations on completely missing the point. See you at Bromley x
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Whoooooosh
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At half time more chester fans came from behind the goal and simply pushed their way into the sterile area.....
on the one hand well done to the chester stewards who at least maintained a reasonable gap between the fans.
Think we may as well as had them cardboard cut out police they have in garage windows for all they did..despite missiles being launched and the troublemakers easy to spot (they were the ones who spent all 2nd half looking at the alty fans actually standing sideways with no interest in the game) the tactic employed was to tell the alty fans not to react!!!! when I pointed this out I was told to shut up.
Just give away fans the open away end in future please....if away fans want to stay dry they can pay a bit extra and sit in the stand as we have to do at various clubs.
It's only coz the alty fans didn't react other than laugh our socks off at the schoolboys trying to antagonise us that it didn't kick off big time.......
made for an excellent atmosphere but once again we were hemmed in between that gantry and some metal fencing with a crap view so that some scallywags could keep dry and chuck bottles at us.
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As Figgy pointed out earlier in the thread, there are several league clubs alone where away fans are exposed to the elements. You want cover then you pay extra. If it can happen there it can happen here.
It isnt ideal, and it isnt about being deliberately unhospitable. But we need to put our own fans first.
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Today made no sense. Keep the away fans in the way end.
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Today made no sense. Keep the away fans in the way end.
I fear that we'll still be having the same conversation in 5 years.
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As Figgy pointed out earlier in the thread, there are several league clubs alone where away fans are exposed to the elements. You want cover then you pay extra. If it can happen there it can happen here.
It isnt ideal, and it isnt about being deliberately unhospitable. But we need to put our own fans first.
praise the Lord
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As Figgy pointed out earlier in the thread, there are several league clubs alone where away fans are exposed to the elements. You want cover then you pay extra. If it can happen there it can happen here.
It isnt ideal, and it isnt about being deliberately unhospitable. But we need to put our own fans first.
praise the Lord
Coburn was there today if you wanted a word...
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As Figgy pointed out earlier in the thread, there are several league clubs alone where away fans are exposed to the elements. You want cover then you pay extra. If it can happen there it can happen here.
It isnt ideal, and it isnt about being deliberately unhospitable. But we need to put our own fans first.
I totally agree.