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interesting!
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
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And lower league placing,
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
Attention seeking again? You really don't need to ask a question you know the answer to. Give it a flaming rest.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!
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Without massive subsidy no football club would have a pot to piss in...
Its a ludicrous thing to suggest we arent well run structurally...the board maintains a tidy improving ground..a community image and a decent budget.....the board has made a few managerial selection problems but has now corrected those and they could be more succesful attracting investors ......
Have a look at vics runcorn stafford and be a tad more realistic in your assesments of how to run a non league club on our gates...
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!
And I presume you've never had a service charge added to the bill or paid a tip?
You've paid to get in but have you paid enough to get in. If you did then the extras like the bucket collection wouldn't be needed.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!
And I presume you've never had a service charge added to the bill or paid a tip?
You've paid to get in but have you paid enough to get in. If you did then the extras like the bucket collection wouldn't be needed.
Then the business has gone wrong somewhere. Pricing is wrong or sponsorship isn't achieved or their outgoing a are wrong
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!
And I presume you've never had a service charge added to the bill or paid a tip?
You've paid to get in but have you paid enough to get in. If you did then the extras like the bucket collection wouldn't be needed.
Then the business has gone wrong somewhere. Pricing is wrong or sponsorship isn't achieved or their outgoing a are wrong
The pricing is wrong, but its all that the market will bear, therefore its a loss leader to get people in the gate and then do the best to extract a few more £££s for value added services inside.
Similarly with sponsorship - whats the market rate of reaching 1000 people a fortnight maximum.
We all know its skewed by the massive amount of money in football from the higher levels driven through billions of tv/premiership revenue, little of which ever comes to the lower clubs, but adjusts the market.
Sticking with the restaurant theme - I guess its the equivalent of Michelin Star restaurants serving fillet steak for £10 subsidised by other revenue streams, yet Richie can only serve up rump steak for that price.
None of the above is new to any of us - but its the bleating and bickering by some that is frustrating - it is what it is - lets make the best of it by all being a bit more positive and proactive.
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Out of interest.....
Man Utd make £107m from matchday revenue yet pay Rooney £13m.
Its all from the TV £140m and commercial activities £268m
http://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx
Those who attend the ground on matchday are subsidised by the millions watching on tv and all those buying shirts and other activities.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold?
Does that not constitute better run.
the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me. I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight. I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.
We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there. The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.
Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!
And I presume you've never had a service charge added to the bill or paid a tip?
You've paid to get in but have you paid enough to get in. If you did then the extras like the bucket collection wouldn't be needed.
Then the business has gone wrong somewhere. Pricing is wrong or sponsorship isn't achieved or their outgoing a are wrong
The pricing is wrong, but its all that the market will bear, therefore its a loss leader to get people in the gate and then do the best to extract a few more £££s for value added services inside.
Similarly with sponsorship - whats the market rate of reaching 1000 people a fortnight maximum.
We all know its skewed by the massive amount of money in football from the higher levels driven through billions of tv/premiership revenue, little of which ever comes to the lower clubs, but adjusts the market.
Sticking with the restaurant theme - I guess its the equivalent of Michelin Star restaurants serving fillet steak for £10 subsidised by other revenue streams, yet Richie can only serve up rump steak for that price.
None of the above is new to any of us - but its the bleating and bickering by some that is frustrating - it is what it is - lets make the best of it by all being a bit more positive and proactive.
It's far more than a 1000 people once a fortnight if done correctly
As for United, that's commercial sales and shirt sales not asking for fans to stick their hands
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I recall from the last accounts something like an income for Alty for the year of £500k - therefore costs were roughly the same.
500k divide by 21 home games divide by 1000 attendance = £23.80 per person needed for every adult, oap, student, child, under 12 to fund the football club at its current level.
So every time you pay £14 on the gate - somewhere the club has managed to earn another £10 to match that - whether through sponsorship, bar takings, donations, fund raising, bucket collections etc.
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I recall from the last accounts something like an income for Alty for the year of £500k - therefore costs were roughly the same.
500k divide by 21 home games divide by 1000 attendance = £23.80 per person needed for every adult, oap, student, child, under 12 to fund the football club at its current level.
So every time you pay £14 on the gate - somewhere the club has managed to earn another £10 to match that - whether through sponsorship, bar takings, donations, fund raising, bucket collections etc.
don't forget about selling players to premier league clubs and cup runs - all income
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
Another typical Negative Jamie comment. I thought you were an accountant, surely you understand living within your income, if you dont you cant be much of one.
Just for the record, the current board removed a 600K deficit and have consistently balanced the books ever since, the club has no debt, no directors loans, an 80 year ground lease and one of the most enviable Community set ups in the country.
Yet you Jamie just want to sling insults at the very people who have made such a superb job of running the club financially. If you ran the club god knows what state we would be in.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
Another typical Negative Jamie comment. I thought you were an accountant, surely you understand living within your income, if you dont you cant be much of one.
Just for the record, the current board removed a 600K deficit and have consistently balanced the books ever since, the club has no debt, no directors loans, an 80 year ground lease and one of the most enviable Community set ups in the country.
Yet you Jamie just want to sling insults at the very people who have made such a superb job of running the club financially. If you ran the club god knows what state we would be in.
I'm getting the word...Enron.
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
:D
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
:D
It was fully weeded and cleared by the ground work party in June. What we need is more supporters to trample the weeds to death - then they wouldnt grow!
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.
Ask Jamie - he was on the grounds committee!
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We're back to that 'If u don't like it do yourself' bollocks are we? A lot of people,myself included haven't got the time or the desire to help tidy things up. In all honesty I'm only interested with what happens on the pitch as I'm sure many others are. If people want to volunteer then fine,well done to them but don't shout down those that don't. It's like the CSH people keep spouting on about,I personally couldn't give a sh*t about zumba or pilates etc and was quite happy with the old bar for an after match pint,I'm only interested in the team.
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.
I don't volunteer due to it being too far to travel just to do a bit of weeding or paint a barrier, having said that, maybe the volunteer numbers may increase if they were say, given free entry to a couple or three games at a date and time suitable to both the club and recipients. Perhaps they could be some sort of voucher scheme.
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We're back to that 'If u don't like it do yourself' bollocks are we? A lot of people,myself included haven't got the time or the desire to help tidy things up. In all honesty I'm only interested with what happens on the pitch as I'm sure many others are. If people want to volunteer then fine,well done to them but don't shout down those that don't. It's like the CSH people keep spouting on about,I personally couldn't give a sh*t about zumba or pilates etc and was quite happy with the old bar for an after match pint,I'm only interested in the team.
A lot of fans are only interested in the team. Get that.
The point you seem to be missing is that the creation of the CSH will bring in and is bringing much more money into the club to support the team, (the old bar was tiny and very poor and income from it low) the more fans and income the better players we can afford.
Surely you can see that ?
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We're back to that 'If u don't like it do yourself' bollocks are we? A lot of people,myself included haven't got the time or the desire to help tidy things up. In all honesty I'm only interested with what happens on the pitch as I'm sure many others are. If people want to volunteer then fine,well done to them but don't shout down those that don't. It's like the CSH people keep spouting on about,I personally couldn't give a sh*t about zumba or pilates etc and was quite happy with the old bar for an after match pint,I'm only interested in the team.
A lot of fans are only interested in the team. Get that.
The point you seem to be missing is that the creation of the CSH will bring in and is bringing much more money into the club to support the team, (the old bar was tiny and very poor and income from it low) the more fans and income the better players we can afford.
Surely you can see that ?
And the more that volunteer and get things done for free or cheap that would otherwise need cash to be done - the more thats left for the bit we all care about - the playing budget.
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We're back to that 'If u don't like it do yourself' bollocks are we? A lot of people,myself included haven't got the time or the desire to help tidy things up. In all honesty I'm only interested with what happens on the pitch as I'm sure many others are. If people want to volunteer then fine,well done to them but don't shout down those that don't. It's like the CSH people keep spouting on about,I personally couldn't give a sh*t about zumba or pilates etc and was quite happy with the old bar for an after match pint,I'm only interested in the team.
A lot of fans are only interested in the team. Get that.
The point you seem to be missing is that the creation of the CSH will bring in and is bringing much more money into the club to support the team, (the old bar was tiny and very poor and income from it low) the more fans and income the better players we can afford.
Surely you can see that ?
It's working well then
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Do I detect a hint of sarcasm ;)
Yes the CSH is working well,.... unfortunately having more money doesnt guarantee better players when you have the wrong manager spending it, ie NY.
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.
Most of us were far too busy at home sending abusive text messages to Neil Young.
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In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen
I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though
However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement
Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!
WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11
Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.
Most of us were far too busy at home sending abusive text messages to Neil Young.
let's stop digging up the past and get these weeds dug up ....😂
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Do I detect a hint of sarcasm ;)
Yes the CSH is working well,.... unfortunately having more money doesnt guarantee better players when you have the wrong manager spending it, ie NY.
is that the reason we got relegated then? We were comfortable mid table when in conference national when the CSH opened.
Since it opened the football side of the club has quickly declined, and now we staring at a second straight relegation
Yes the CSH is working well as long as your only interested in off field legacy
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The CSH is the one thing that will get certain people at the club the recognition they crave, MBE's, OBE's etc. You don't get those for running a poxy non-league football club.
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Out of interest.....
Man Utd make £107m from matchday revenue yet pay Rooney £13m.
Its all from the TV £140m and commercial activities £268m
http://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx
Those who attend the ground on matchday are subsidised by the millions watching on tv and all those buying shirts and other activities.
The obvious answer is stop paying silly wages. In the 70's when football was a million times more enjoyable players often had other ways of earning money. Barry Kitchener the Millwall captain owned a pub in the Old Kent Road (Shard Arms) Mike Summerbee owned a clothes shop, Pat Crerand owned a pub in Altrincham, Alan Hudson had a business interest in a restaurant, even George Best was involved in several businesses and advertised all sorts of tat on the telly.
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Out of interest.....
Man Utd make £107m from matchday revenue yet pay Rooney £13m.
Its all from the TV £140m and commercial activities £268m
http://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx
Those who attend the ground on matchday are subsidised by the millions watching on tv and all those buying shirts and other activities.
The obvious answer is stop paying silly wages. In the 70's when football was a million times more enjoyable players often had other ways of earning money. Barry Kitchener the Millwall captain owned a pub in the Old Kent Road (Shard Arms) Mike Summerbee owned a clothes shop, Pat Crerand owned a pub in Altrincham, Alan Hudson had a business interest in a restaurant, even George Best was involved in several businesses and advertised all sorts of tat on the telly.
Players do similar now though, so not much has changed in that regard. And I guarantee most of those players you mention were on very good money at the time.
The difference now is that they build up properly portfolios and invest it wisely rather than in fun, vanity based projects that make bugger all money and clean them out even. Bobby Moore a classic example.
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I wonder how many of our squad have a property portfolio or similar ?
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The CSH is the one thing that will get certain people at the club the recognition they crave, MBE's, OBE's etc. You don't get those for running a poxy non-league football club.
Thats a very sad, even jaundiced view and you clearly dont know the people involved.
Secondly Alty isnt a poxy club. Are you actually an Alty fan or Jamie in disguise :-\
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Everyone knows you were involved in the terrible design of the CSH Pucka so you're obviously going to defend it to the hilt but Cheadle Hulme Alty and Sausages posts are both spot on.
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Do I detect a hint of sarcasm ;)
Yes the CSH is working well,.... unfortunately having more money doesnt guarantee better players when you have the wrong manager spending it, ie NY.
is that the reason we got relegated then? We were comfortable mid table when in conference national when the CSH opened.
Since it opened the football side of the club has quickly declined, and now we staring at a second straight relegation
Yes the CSH is working well as long as your only interested in off field legacy
Jamie
All clubs go through ups and downs on the playing side and we are no exception. But tieing the recent down with the building of the CSH is quite a leap.
You could argue that it diverted attention, I get that, but I was involved and I know it didnt affect the playing side at all in a negative way.
The real reason was, that like it or not, Alty are financially in the bottom few of the National league, we were never mid table after promotion as you suggest, we just about kept our necks above water.
Second season syndrome was always going to be a big concern but the CSH and the income from it was the biggest hope we had of begiining to compete better financially with the money other clubs are paying for the quality of players we need.
The off field legacy, as you put it, is actually the greatest reason for optimism for the clubs future success.
The fact was Sinnott did NOT strengthen the team when we needed to, then he lost his mojo and went, and the club couldnt afford to throw money, that we didnt and dont have, at trying to dig ourselves out. Unpalatable, but true.
Then compounded by the appointment of someone who turned out to be utterly incompetent as a manager, who many, including you approved of.
Please stop all this negative backwards looking stuff and try and accept we need to move forward now, with Jim Harvey and our better club infrastruture, and start climbing back up where we think we should be, ie bottom half of the National League ;)
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Everyone knows you were involved in the terrible design of the CSH Pucka so you're obviously going to defend it to the hilt but Cheadle Hulme Alty and Sausages posts are both spot on.
Are you trying to live up to your forum name,.... and if its so terrible how come you are joining the walking football next week?
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I'd play walking football if it was at Alty Leisure Centre and didn't say it was terrible,I said the design is terrible which it is.
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I'd play walking football if it was at Alty Leisure Centre and didn't say it was terrible,I said the design is terrible which it is.
I have no idea what you are basing these views on, colours? layout ? blocking a few seat views? do you even know what the clubs design brief was.
You seem to be in a minority, everyone else loves it ;)
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I've no idea what the clubs design brief was Pukka,all I said was it's a terrible design regardless of what the design brief was.
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I've no idea what the clubs design brief was Pukka,all I said was it's a terrible design regardless of what the design brief was.
Please could you elaborate as to why?
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You really don't know why? Have you not read through the forum? What sort of idiot designs something that blocks the view of long standing supporters?!
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You really don't know why? Have you not read through the forum? What sort of idiot designs something that blocks the view of long standing supporters?!
The same idiot that got the club approval for doing it, that gives the club a massive increase in its income, for the long term future of YOUR club.
Restricted views at football grounds are very common, indeed there is already restricted views of the away end corner. It only affects a small area of the pitch from a few seats for heaven sake, just move seats!
It wasnt possible to build a fabulous new building without having a small downside which everyone knew.
With respect Martin you seem to have a very simplistic view of things. There are always pros and cons for every job, the upside here is massive compared with a small downside.
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I'd like to know if you the club and the designers knew it would restrict views - and if so what they did to tell those effected? or did they simple let them turn up and have a blocked view.
All restricted view tickets are sold with a notice for shows concerts etc
Ps. I like the CSH, but the inside design is utter wank.
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
The internal (interior designed scheme) is WHAT WE COULD AFFORD and has to be multi functional and robust, dont you like the solid hardwood floor, full aircon, low energy lighting and systems, LED lighting and 4 TV screens etc etc ?
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Without wishing to go over too much old ground, it seems to me that the problem here was one of communication. It isn't reasonable to assume that 'everyone knew' or that everyone would be content to move seats. Those likely to be affected had a right to be informed in advance, by something as old-fashioned as a letter. As I understand it this may not have been done in advance, so the PR/communications result was negative. The lesson to be learnt is that even what some may regard as, in Basil Fawlty's phrase, "the bleedin' obvious" needs to be spelt out clearly, politely & well in advance. If that lesson has been digested some good will have come out of the matter, which should surely now be regarded as closed.
I write this as one who is not a main stand user and who rarely uses the CSH other than to sit at a certain desk. Both of these are matters of my choice; I have no problem with those who prefer to sit down to watch or who like a drink before the game!
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Without wishing to go over too much old ground, it seems to me that the problem here was one of communication. It isn't reasonable to assume that 'everyone knew' or that everyone would be content to move seats. Those likely to be affected had a right to be informed in advance, by something as old-fashioned as a letter. As I understand it this may not have been done in advance, so the PR/communications result was negative. The lesson to be learnt is that even what some may regard as, in Basil Fawlty's phrase, "the bleedin' obvious" needs to be spelt out clearly, politely & well in advance. If that lesson has been digested some good will have come out of the matter, which should surely now be regarded as closed.
I write this as one who is not a main stand user and who rarely uses the CSH other than to sit at a certain desk. Both of these are matters of my choice; I have no problem with those who prefer to sit down to watch or who like a drink before the game!
I completely agree with you about what happened, what people below are doing is blaming the design,...... rather than the inescapable fact that you couldnt build it without affecting the view of a few seats.
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You really don't know why? Have you not read through the forum? What sort of idiot designs something that blocks the view of long standing supporters?!
The same idiot that got the club approval for doing it, that gives the club a massive increase in its income, for the long term future of YOUR club.
Restricted views at football grounds are very common, indeed there is already restricted views of the away end corner. It only affects a small area of the pitch from a few seats for heaven sake, just move seats!
It wasnt possible to build a fabulous new building without having a small downside which everyone knew.
With respect Martin you seem to have a very simplistic view of things. There are always pros and cons for every job, the upside here is massive compared with a small downside.
We are yet to see an upside though Ian! As Jamie pointed out the CSH has coincided with team going tits up! Just a coincidence? Everyone will have their own view on that.
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Martin
When we start winning games you will see the upside I'm sure ;D
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
Here we go again.....
Wrong.
Main stand season ticket holders who suddenly inherited a restricted view did not receive any advance correspondence from the club regarding this issue (i.e. prior to renewing their season ticket seat).
Any offer to reimburse me for my season ticket was only forthcoming from the club after I had written a letter of complaint to the board of directors.
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You really don't know why? Have you not read through the forum? What sort of idiot designs something that blocks the view of long standing supporters?!
Restricted views at football grounds are very common, indeed there is already restricted views of the away end corner. It only affects a small area of the pitch from a few seats for heaven sake, just move seats!
Ian,
It seems that you are truly the one with the restricted view!
That contemptuous comment just about sums up how little you actually comprehend about this issue.
Following correspondence on this very subject and the concerns that I had raised, I was told by the chairman that you had been asked to refrain from discussing more general football club matters going forward.
Let's move on please.
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
Here we go again.....
Wrong.
Main stand season ticket holders who suddenly inherited a restricted view did not receive any advance correspondence from the club regarding this issue (i.e. prior to renewing their season ticket seat).
Any offer to reimburse me for my season ticket was only forthcoming from the club after I had written a letter of complaint to the board of directors.
Barry, I agree this is ancient history, I didnt raise it. But for the record, my statement was not wrong that "the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe" which you have clearly stated above did happen.
Lets move on.
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They should have informed the supporters but sometimes mistakes happen. When not at Moss Lane I go and support Sale Sharks. They switched their games from Saturday to Friday after season tickets had been on sale for three months. Mistakes happen at all levels.
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They should have informed the supporters but sometimes mistakes happen. When not at Moss Lane I go and support Sale Sharks. They switched their games from Saturday to Friday after season tickets had been on sale for three months. Mistakes happen at all levels.
agree - but too mistakes of this type seem to happen at this club
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Did we ever get the stoppers sorted out at the snack bar ...
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What are the stoppers Wayno.? No idea what you are talking about but certainly intrigued.
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Anyway, Telford eh.....
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Great to see the forums having a meltdown again. I was starting to worry a bit. I mean, at one point it was starting to look like we were on the up and all pulling in the same direction.
It's absolutely laughable that the CSH is related to our on pitch antics. We did well the season before and CSH was around and in its most expensive phase. The idea that it actually becoming active could be related is even more laughable. Unless of course that this monstrosity is so big it was blocking Sinnott's view of the pitch because he did seem to stop seeing how we were playing for the last few months.
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
The internal (interior designed scheme) is WHAT WE COULD AFFORD and has to be multi functional and robust, dont you like the solid hardwood floor, full aircon, low energy lighting and systems, LED lighting and 4 TV screens etc etc ?
How many more times? I've never asked that before?
What I don't like is plain walls. Plenty of pubs with function rooms have small hooks to hold frames. These frames can be added to for specific events but in the remain have images relating to the local area or sports club.
Also given it's a COMMUNITY hall.. why not decorate it showcasing the local community instead of a hospital waiting room?
Why can we have have art work up? Some nice prints or large photos of our glory days... If it wasn't just a white walled room people might consider drinking there pre match.
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Anyway, Telford eh.....
Nice try MF, but that ball has been well and truly booted out of the stadium and now the ball boys have spent so long arguing with the officials that they've forgotten the ball ever existed.
It's community groundhog day gone mad......nurse, nurse, lashings of laudanum please
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On this Telford business, the supporters trust there will be deciding whether to put what I think is their majority shareholdingin the Club up for sale. It will be interesting to see, if they do, whether an investor is waiting in the wings.....
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On this Telford business, the supporters trust there will be deciding whether to put what I think is their majority shareholdingin the Club up for sale. It will be interesting to see, if they do, whether an investor is waiting in the wings.....
Get with the scene man, therre's the CSH to ponder. Like wooooooow.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
Another typical Negative Jamie comment. I thought you were an accountant, surely you understand living within your income, if you dont you cant be much of one.
Just for the record, the current board removed a 600K deficit and have consistently balanced the books ever since, the club has no debt, no directors loans, an 80 year ground lease and one of the .
most enviable Community set ups in the country
Yet you Jamie just want to sling insults at the very people who have made such a superb job of running the club financially. If you ran the club god knows what state we would be in.
In the past 4-5 seasons we’ve made approx. £100k-ish from selling a player direct to a premier league club, made an £150k-ish in cup/TV money (Burton and Colchester seasons combined), and we now have a new income stream via the CSH, but have alarmingly still managed to make a net cash loss over this period. Within the ‘football club’. You don’t have to have Jamie’s expertise in accountancy to realise that “consistently balanced the books” is stretching it somewhat Pukka. Just for the record.
In fact, given we’ve probably had an extra quarter of a million (supposedly unbudgeted?) pounds come into the club during the current chairman’s tenure, it’s even more baffling that we find ourselves cut adrift in a regional league nevermind that we are making a loss doing it.
And who exactly are all these people crippled with envy at our community set up? Most opposition fans I see visiting Moss Lane every other week are too busy pissing themselves laughing at how sh*t we are on the pitch to worry about 8 people turning out to walking football on a Wednesday evening, or how many Zumba/Herbalife classes the club holds in a week.
I do actually agree with a lot of what else you've said elsewhere, and I accept that you are still a bit giddy that the club asked you to design part of the infrastructure, but a bit of perspective is needed.
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Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money
Another typical Negative Jamie comment. I thought you were an accountant, surely you understand living within your income, if you dont you cant be much of one.
Just for the record, the current board removed a 600K deficit and have consistently balanced the books ever since, the club has no debt, no directors loans, an 80 year ground lease and one of the .
most enviable Community set ups in the country
Yet you Jamie just want to sling insults at the very people who have made such a superb job of running the club financially. If you ran the club god knows what state we would be in.
In the past 4-5 seasons we’ve made approx. £100k-ish from selling a player direct to a premier league club, made an £150k-ish in cup/TV money (Burton and Colchester seasons combined), and we now have a new income stream via the CSH, but have alarmingly still managed to make a net cash loss over this period. Within the ‘football club’. You don’t have to have Jamie’s expertise in accountancy to realise that “consistently balanced the books” is stretching it somewhat Pukka. Just for the record.
In fact, given we’ve probably had an extra quarter of a million (supposedly unbudgeted?) pounds come into the club during the current chairman’s tenure, it’s even more baffling that we find ourselves cut adrift in a regional league nevermind that we are making a loss doing it.
And who exactly are all these people crippled with envy at our community set up? Most opposition fans I see visiting Moss Lane every other week are too busy pissing themselves laughing at how sh*t we are on the pitch to worry about 8 people turning out to walking football on a Wednesday evening, or how many Zumba/Herbalife classes the club holds in a week.
I do actually agree with a lot of what else you've said elsewhere, and I accept that you are still a bit giddy that the club asked you to design part of the infrastructure, but a bit of perspective is needed.
superb post
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I'll second that Jimmy
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
The internal (interior designed scheme) is WHAT WE COULD AFFORD and has to be multi functional and robust, dont you like the solid hardwood floor, full aircon, low energy lighting and systems, LED lighting and 4 TV screens etc etc ?
How many more times? I've never asked that before?
What I don't like is plain walls. Plenty of pubs with function rooms have small hooks to hold frames. These frames can be added to for specific events but in the remain have images relating to the local area or sports club.
Also given it's a COMMUNITY hall.. why not decorate it showcasing the local community instead of a hospital waiting room?
Why can we have have art work up? Some nice prints or large photos of our glory days... If it wasn't just a white walled room people might consider drinking there pre match.
Be careful what you wish for.....or they might restore all those framed photographs of Australian cricketers that used to adorn the walls of the Noel White Suite!
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Jack. How many more times,... yes and the club wrote to them offering to repay them their season tickets I believe.
The internal (interior designed scheme) is WHAT WE COULD AFFORD and has to be multi functional and robust, dont you like the solid hardwood floor, full aircon, low energy lighting and systems, LED lighting and 4 TV screens etc etc ?
How many more times? I've never asked that before?
What I don't like is plain walls. Plenty of pubs with function rooms have small hooks to hold frames. These frames can be added to for specific events but in the remain have images relating to the local area or sports club.
Also given it's a COMMUNITY hall.. why not decorate it showcasing the local community instead of a hospital waiting room?
Why can we have have art work up? Some nice prints or large photos of our glory days... If it wasn't just a white walled room people might consider drinking there pre match.
You didnt Jack but this has been done to death.
On the walls, I actually agree with you, we even had a large mural/artwork designed and it was planned which was a crowd scene of Alty fans, however, due to the cost of it and the wide range of multiple uses, functions etc, that it was felt that the entrance and corridor areas would best display purely AFC pictures, there are quite a few up already. We cant safely have hooks on walls due to SPORTS activities. I think it will evolve in time.
Why dont you put forward some practical suggestions, I am sure Stacey and Judy would be interested.
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In the past 4-5 seasons we’ve made approx. £100k-ish from selling a player direct to a premier league club, made an £150k-ish in cup/TV money (Burton and Colchester seasons combined), and we now have a new income stream via the CSH, but have alarmingly still managed to make a net cash loss over this period. Within the ‘football club’. You don’t have to have Jamie’s expertise in accountancy to realise that “consistently balanced the books” is stretching it somewhat Pukka. Just for the record.
In fact, given we’ve probably had an extra quarter of a million (supposedly unbudgeted?) pounds come into the club during the current chairman’s tenure, it’s even more baffling that we find ourselves cut adrift in a regional league nevermind that we are making a loss doing it.
And who exactly are all these people crippled with envy at our community set up? Most opposition fans I see visiting Moss Lane every other week are too busy pissing themselves laughing at how sh*t we are on the pitch to worry about 8 people turning out to walking football on a Wednesday evening, or how many Zumba/Herbalife classes the club holds in a week. I do actually agree with a lot of what else you've said elsewhere, and I accept that you are still a bit giddy that the club asked you to design part of the infrastructure, but a bit of perspective is needed.
Matt. Im guessing you probably havent seen the clubs accounts over the last 10 years or so (as a shareholder for 20+ years I have), but the club has not made a loss over this period as you suggest, indeed the club owed 600K before the current regime took over and paid that off. Your assumed figures from player sales and FA cup ties also are incorrect, just see the accounts for those years. Basically, with a very frugal approach and without wasting money at all the club has lived within its means extremely well, there are few National League teams who could survive on our overall income, look at Telford which started this thread off. There are plenty of others who have either gone bust and faded away during this time.
As regards the Community set up, AFC receives grant funding for it and has won several community awards for it, we have something like 45 teams playing regularly which is attracting so many new and young fans and their parents to the club and attendances have grown very encouragingly over the last few years. You mention walking football, 2 of the new players who came support other sides and are now becoming Alty fans and will boost future attendances. That's what engaging with your community does.
I can only agree with you about the recent down side which has come about due to poor decisions by the club's managers, who the club have rightly placed their faith in,..... towards the end LS and then particularly NY and it is HE who you could argue has made us a laughing stock. We all hope that Jim Harvey reverses this recent trend, he seems to have made a decent start.
On your last comment about being giddy,.... as the director who brought the whole ground up to FL standard in the 1990's, have successfully designed and managed many hundreds of sports and leisure buildings round the UK over the last 40 years, including premier league grounds, who owns and runs several large leisure businesses, please believe me when I tell you I have plenty of perspective and experience all of which I have gladly volunteered to support the club that I love, namely AFC.
If you want a chat, my name is Ian and I will be in the CSH tomorrow, hopefully watching us beat Matlock ;)
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In the past 4-5 seasons we’ve made approx. £100k-ish from selling a player direct to a premier league club, made an £150k-ish in cup/TV money (Burton and Colchester seasons combined), and we now have a new income stream via the CSH, but have alarmingly still managed to make a net cash loss over this period. Within the ‘football club’. You don’t have to have Jamie’s expertise in accountancy to realise that “consistently balanced the books” is stretching it somewhat Pukka. Just for the record.
In fact, given we’ve probably had an extra quarter of a million (supposedly unbudgeted?) pounds come into the club during the current chairman’s tenure, it’s even more baffling that we find ourselves cut adrift in a regional league nevermind that we are making a loss doing it.
And who exactly are all these people crippled with envy at our community set up? Most opposition fans I see visiting Moss Lane every other week are too busy pissing themselves laughing at how sh*t we are on the pitch to worry about 8 people turning out to walking football on a Wednesday evening, or how many Zumba/Herbalife classes the club holds in a week. I do actually agree with a lot of what else you've said elsewhere, and I accept that you are still a bit giddy that the club asked you to design part of the infrastructure, but a bit of perspective is needed.
Matt. Im guessing you probably havent seen the clubs accounts over the last 10 years or so (as a shareholder for 20+ years I have), but the club has not made a loss over this period as you suggest, indeed the club owed 600K before the current regime took over and paid that off. Your assumed figures from player sales and FA cup ties also are incorrect, just see the accounts for those years. Basically, with a very frugal approach and without wasting money at all the club has lived within its means extremely well, there are few National League teams who could survive on our overall income, look at Telford which started this thread off. There are plenty of others who have either gone bust and faded away during this time.
As regards the Community set up, AFC receives grant funding for it and has won several community awards for it, we have something like 45 teams playing regularly which is attracting so many new and young fans and their parents to the club and attendances have grown very encouragingly over the last few years. You mention walking football, 2 of the new players who came support other sides and are now becoming Alty fans and will boost future attendances. That's what engaging with your community does.
I can only agree with you about the recent down side which has come about due to poor decisions by the club's managers, who the club have rightly placed their faith in,..... towards the end LS and then particularly NY and it is HE who you could argue has made us a laughing stock. We all hope that Jim Harvey reverses this recent trend, he seems to have made a decent start.
On your last comment about being giddy,.... as the director who brought the whole ground up to FL standard in the 1990's, have successfully designed and managed many hundreds of sports and leisure buildings round the UK over the last 40 years, including premier league grounds, who owns and runs several large leisure businesses, please believe me when I tell you I have plenty of perspective and experience all of which I have gladly volunteered to support the club that I love, namely AFC.
If you want a chat, my name is Ian and I will be in the CSH tomorrow, hopefully watching us beat Matlock ;)
Hi Ian. Thanks for your kind offer to chat, but I’m straight off tomorrow unfortunately and I can’t stay around. Happy to arrange for another time.
For a start, I wasn’t talking about the last 10 years (and the selling of land and paper profit associated with cancelling historical loans), I was talking about the cash loss of the past 4/5 years under the current chairman of the football club. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.
That loss is a fact. You are wrong. It is in the annual accounts. The club has made a loss over that period and we are losing money.
The chairman said as much at the AGM this year. If you weren’t able to make it, I have reproduced below.
“The accounts show we made a £40k loss last season, following on from a £16k loss the previous season, despite bringing in substantial funds from the transfer of Duncan Watmore to Sunderland.”
“The 2015-16 budget is projected to lose £36k and, as a consequence, the Club’s cash reserves will be down to £38k by the season end, leaving little room to manoeuvre.”
Are you accusing the chairman of lying Ian? Otherwise let’s dispel this myth that we are living within our means and balancing the books.
Admittedly the other figures I was using are slightly ‘back of fag packet’ but perhaps you would be able to help?
In terms of unbudgeted cup money, if we take the Burton year as an example then we made £25k prize money (excluding gate receipts) before we arrived at Burton. We then made £35k for hosting an FA Cup 1st Round Replay on the TV. I make that £60k (ish) before we had taken any share of gate receipts from either Burton game or the earlier rounds. So would you be happy with me rounding that at £65k-£70k all told? I haven’t done the same calculation for the Colchester run last year – but perhaps if you would excuse me rounding the total (as I did) for both at around £150k (ish) for both years?
In terms of player receipts, I admit I am only trying to read between the lines from the club accounts. However if you take the total turnover in the year we sold Watmore (2014 accounts), and exclude the cup/TV money from the year before we sold him (Burton), then you would be left with approx. £100k (give or take) extra unaccounted turnover in that year. Either way, there is a sharp and unaccounted increase and it would be reasonable to assume that this is in some way linked to the sale of a player to a premier league club. Please feel free to correct me if my, admittedly basic, calculations would be incorrect.
So that would be an educated guess of an additional quarter of a million pounds into the club under the current chairman that wasn’t budgeted for – as I said in the post above. The actual figure is almost irrelevant. It is still baffling and alarming that we are in the position we are in given the amount of money that has poured into the club under the current chairman. And we are STILL losing money.
To claim we are “consistently balancing the books” is a total myth Ian.
And I can see why NY is an easy, and worthy, scapegoat but he was manager for 6 games. We have been sh*t football team, and in decline, for 18 months.
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I'm baffled !
I assume within the budget there is a figure for Fa cup income, some years we've done well, others we've thrown it away to Trafford in an early round.
If the additional 250k hadn't been spent, would anyone be either happy with where we are now or probably even lower. It comes back to my comment about subsidy, on our natural income streams in the conf national we are punching above our weight, a bit of luck, a few extra bits of chance income and we can perhaps keep a place in conf national. I'm sure the board would love to balance the books and build up a cash reserve to call on when needed , but it's always needed straight away.
An unlucky year like last year, a lot of key players injured, a conman taking a payoff (Griffith), a manager who is perhaps becoming demotivated etc, and we slip down to conf north.
The books have been balanced - fact- income = expenditure give or take the ultimate 35k loss. At the meeting a few weeks back there was criticism for not taking out a loan to keep us in conf national - that wouldn't balance well.
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I'm baffled !
I assume within the budget there is a figure for Fa cup income, some years we've done well, others we've thrown it away to Trafford in an early round.
If the additional 250k hadn't been spent, would anyone be either happy with where we are now or probably even lower. It comes back to my comment about subsidy, on our natural income streams in the conf national we are punching above our weight, a bit of luck, a few extra bits of chance income and we can perhaps keep a place in conf national. I'm sure the board would love to balance the books and build up a cash reserve to call on when needed , but it's always needed straight away.
An unlucky year like last year, a lot of key players injured, a conman taking a payoff (Griffith), a manager who is perhaps becoming demotivated etc, and we slip down to conf north.
The books have been balanced - fact- income = expenditure give or take the ultimate 35k loss. At the meeting a few weeks back there was criticism for not taking out a loan to keep us in conf national - that wouldn't balance well.
I assume that figure is £0; I assume the same for FA Trophy.
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The books have been balanced - fact- income = expenditure give or take the ultimate 35k loss.
Right...
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Hi Ian. Thanks for your kind offer to chat, but I’m straight off tomorrow unfortunately and I can’t stay around. Happy to arrange for another time.
For a start, I wasn’t talking about the last 10 years (and the selling of land and paper profit associated with cancelling historical loans), I was talking about the cash loss of the past 4/5 years under the current chairman of the football club. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.
That loss is a fact. You are wrong. It is in the annual accounts. The club has made a loss over that period and we are losing money.
The chairman said as much at the AGM this year. If you weren’t able to make it, I have reproduced below.
“The accounts show we made a £40k loss last season, following on from a £16k loss the previous season, despite bringing in substantial funds from the transfer of Duncan Watmore to Sunderland.”
“The 2015-16 budget is projected to lose £36k and, as a consequence, the Club’s cash reserves will be down to £38k by the season end, leaving little room to manoeuvre.”
Are you accusing the chairman of lying Ian? Otherwise let’s dispel this myth that we are living within our means and balancing the books.
Admittedly the other figures I was using are slightly ‘back of fag packet’ but perhaps you would be able to help?
In terms of unbudgeted cup money, if we take the Burton year as an example then we made £25k prize money (excluding gate receipts) before we arrived at Burton. We then made £35k for hosting an FA Cup 1st Round Replay on the TV. I make that £60k (ish) before we had taken any share of gate receipts from either Burton game or the earlier rounds. So would you be happy with me rounding that at £65k-£70k all told? I haven’t done the same calculation for the Colchester run last year – but perhaps if you would excuse me rounding the total (as I did) for both at around £150k (ish) for both years?
In terms of player receipts, I admit I am only trying to read between the lines from the club accounts. However if you take the total turnover in the year we sold Watmore (2014 accounts), and exclude the cup/TV money from the year before we sold him (Burton), then you would be left with approx. £100k (give or take) extra unaccounted turnover in that year. Either way, there is a sharp and unaccounted increase and it would be reasonable to assume that this is in some way linked to the sale of a player to a premier league club. Please feel free to correct me if my, admittedly basic, calculations would be incorrect.
So that would be an educated guess of an additional quarter of a million pounds into the club under the current chairman that wasn’t budgeted for – as I said in the post above. The actual figure is almost irrelevant. It is still baffling and alarming that we are in the position we are in given the amount of money that has poured into the club under the current chairman. And we are STILL losing money.
To claim we are “consistently balancing the books” is a total myth Ian.
And I can see why NY is an easy, and worthy, scapegoat but he was manager for 6 games. We have been sh*t football team, and in decline, for 18 months.
Sorry missed you today, pity as we could have discussed this last years accounts that came out today so I am starting a new thread and I suggest you review your own fag packet estimates and the incorrect conclusions you then draw from them.
Facts always help to see the true situation ;)
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Hi Ian. Thanks for your kind offer to chat, but I’m straight off tomorrow unfortunately and I can’t stay around. Happy to arrange for another time.
For a start, I wasn’t talking about the last 10 years (and the selling of land and paper profit associated with cancelling historical loans), I was talking about the cash loss of the past 4/5 years under the current chairman of the football club. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.
That loss is a fact. You are wrong. It is in the annual accounts. The club has made a loss over that period and we are losing money.
The chairman said as much at the AGM this year. If you weren’t able to make it, I have reproduced below.
“The accounts show we made a £40k loss last season, following on from a £16k loss the previous season, despite bringing in substantial funds from the transfer of Duncan Watmore to Sunderland.”
“The 2015-16 budget is projected to lose £36k and, as a consequence, the Club’s cash reserves will be down to £38k by the season end, leaving little room to manoeuvre.”
Are you accusing the chairman of lying Ian? Otherwise let’s dispel this myth that we are living within our means and balancing the books.
Admittedly the other figures I was using are slightly ‘back of fag packet’ but perhaps you would be able to help?
In terms of unbudgeted cup money, if we take the Burton year as an example then we made £25k prize money (excluding gate receipts) before we arrived at Burton. We then made £35k for hosting an FA Cup 1st Round Replay on the TV. I make that £60k (ish) before we had taken any share of gate receipts from either Burton game or the earlier rounds. So would you be happy with me rounding that at £65k-£70k all told? I haven’t done the same calculation for the Colchester run last year – but perhaps if you would excuse me rounding the total (as I did) for both at around £150k (ish) for both years?
In terms of player receipts, I admit I am only trying to read between the lines from the club accounts. However if you take the total turnover in the year we sold Watmore (2014 accounts), and exclude the cup/TV money from the year before we sold him (Burton), then you would be left with approx. £100k (give or take) extra unaccounted turnover in that year. Either way, there is a sharp and unaccounted increase and it would be reasonable to assume that this is in some way linked to the sale of a player to a premier league club. Please feel free to correct me if my, admittedly basic, calculations would be incorrect.
So that would be an educated guess of an additional quarter of a million pounds into the club under the current chairman that wasn’t budgeted for – as I said in the post above. The actual figure is almost irrelevant. It is still baffling and alarming that we are in the position we are in given the amount of money that has poured into the club under the current chairman. And we are STILL losing money.
To claim we are “consistently balancing the books” is a total myth Ian.
And I can see why NY is an easy, and worthy, scapegoat but he was manager for 6 games. We have been sh*t football team, and in decline, for 18 months.
Sorry missed you today, pity as we could have discussed this last years accounts that came out today so I am starting a new thread and I suggest you review your own fag packet estimates and the incorrect conclusions you then draw from them.
Facts always help to see the true situation ;)
Hi Ian. Yes it was a shame we missed each other today. Although, as I already said, I had to leave the ground on FT.
Thanks for starting a new thread regarding the clubs accounts. If you re-read what I had previously written, then you will see that the "fag packet" estimates didn't relate to this years accounts. It was related to the clubs turnover of previous seasons - most of which was based on publically available FA Cup prize/TV money figures.
Again, apologies if I wasn't clear.