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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: robininstockport on March 05, 2023, 02:11:06 PM
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A blessing we play Tuesday, gives us an opportunity to move on from Saturdays disaster before Throphy game.
Gould
Welsh-Hayes Jones Baines. Jones
Marriott. Lundstram
Hulme. Bennett. Sinclair
Linney
This won't be the team that starts, but it would be mine
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Agree with the above.
Need more threat in the 10 position. Maxi has struggled in the last 2 games.
I know he hasn't been playing but Perrit did not impress yesterday so defo would start Miles, if fit.
Jones comes back in being fully match fit over Kyle.
I know we should be starting our best 11, but I am worried about either Lundstram or Marriott picking up an injury. We would be in a right pickle if one or even both were injured for York.
Also, with Hulme the only available striker next Sat, unless he uses Hugill then we need to protect him aswell.
Still missing another natural and pacey winger, PP doesn't fancy Gyasi.
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I’d play maxi over bennet. Not sure where he was playing yesterday. Was he really at 10? With osbourne behind him he kept getting dragged backwards or he was supposed to be behind osbourne at 10 and kept pushing forwards.
Agree with the rest though assuming all fit, including keeper but I think Gould is out on loan isn’t he?
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I suppose it's the wrong thing to say but can't help thinking of the game after. I'd take a loss in this game for a win at York but I know that's not how it works.
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I think Gould in net is fair. Also agree with the team at the head of this thread. Perritt and Ferguson are basically in their pre-season at the moment.
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I’d play maxi over bennet. Not sure where he was playing yesterday. Was he really at 10? With osbourne behind him he kept getting dragged backwards or he was supposed to be behind osbourne at 10 and kept pushing forwards.
Agree with the rest though assuming all fit, including keeper but I think Gould is out on loan isn’t he?
Gould's loan was retracted after just over a week. He's been on the bench in the last few games.
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I’d play maxi over bennet. Not sure where he was playing yesterday. Was he really at 10? With osbourne behind him he kept getting dragged backwards or he was supposed to be behind osbourne at 10 and kept pushing forwards.
Agree with the rest though assuming all fit, including keeper but I think Gould is out on loan isn’t he?
We started Cashman no.10, Osborne out left with Lundstram and Maxi CM.
Then went Cashman out wide, Maxi no.10 and Osborne back in CM. We looked better, but Osborne was a passenger most of the game.
We are such a weaker team when Lundstram and Marriott aren't together. Praying they get through Tues.
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It's a tough one to call with Perritt and Ferguson - on the one hand you could argue we're marooned in mid-table and might as well get them up to speed, but then surely you do that once they've trained with their team mates at the very least.
Sounds as if we compromised ourselves at Wealdstone by accommodating Cashman, who can only play at 10; given Maxi can't play on the wing, Osborne had to do so by default, with Maxi slotting in alongside Josh.
Against Solihull we were great with Osborne alongside Marriott (as indeed they were in the second half of last season).
I'd go back to that, with Maxi at 10, Josh at right back... and Cashman nowhere to be seen.
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It's a tough one to call with Perritt and Ferguson - on the one hand you could argue we're marooned in mid-table and might as well get them up to speed, but then surely you do that once they've trained with their team mates at the very least.
Sounds as if we compromised ourselves at Wealdstone by accommodating Cashman, who can only play at 10; given Maxi can't play on the wing, Osborne had to do so by default, with Maxi slotting in alongside Josh.
Against Solihull we were great with Osborne alongside Marriott (as indeed they were in the second half of last season).
I'd go back to that, with Maxi at 10, Josh at right back... and Cashman nowhere to be seen.
Our midfield needs to be Marriott and Lundstram. Without doubt our strongest midfield partnership.
Osborne has done well, but we should not be accomodating him to play Lundstram at RB. That would be madness.
We have Miles or Perritt for RB
Even when Osborne plays well he does not influence games. He can't cover the ground those two can.
We desperately need another winger, may now have to wait until next season to find that player.
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Scunny need snookers to stay up, so should be plenty of opportunities for us to get at them on the counter as draws are no good to them now. My big concern is that they seem a big and physical side in terms of who they’ve signed under their new boss, so lots of balls slung into our box and we all know what that means. I suspect York will be similar in terms of long throws & playing off John-Lewis so Jones & Baines are going to have to protect Byrne as best they can.
Need to bounce back after yesterdays blip & put a marker down for the FAT, I’d take a draw & us playing more like our normal selves.
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It's a tough one to call with Perritt and Ferguson - on the one hand you could argue we're marooned in mid-table and might as well get them up to speed, but then surely you do that once they've trained with their team mates at the very least.
Sounds as if we compromised ourselves at Wealdstone by accommodating Cashman, who can only play at 10; given Maxi can't play on the wing, Osborne had to do so by default, with Maxi slotting in alongside Josh.
Against Solihull we were great with Osborne alongside Marriott (as indeed they were in the second half of last season).
I'd go back to that, with Maxi at 10, Josh at right back... and Cashman nowhere to be seen.
Our midfield needs to be Marriott and Lundstram. Without doubt our strongest midfield partnership.
Osborne has done well, but we should not be accomodating him to play Lundstram at RB. That would be madness.
We have Miles or Perritt for RB
Even when Osborne plays well he does not influence games. He can't cover the ground those two can.
We desperately need another winger, may now have to wait until next season to find that player.
Of course it's our strongest midfield partnership - and I'm not suggesting we play Lundstram at RB simply to accommodate Osborne - it's because Welch-Hayes isn't fit, and Perritt clearly needs more time to train with his new team mates.
A midfield duo of Osborne and Marriott (not Osborne and Lundstram) has proven in the past to be effective enough and hold decent balance - not least against Solihull where all three were excellent in their respective positions.
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MUST play our strongest team and just hope we get no injuries.
My Scunny fan friend says that James Dean - the Scunny manager, not the dead actor! - is "Tactically out of his depth!"
We must be patient as they will make mistakes.
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MUST play our strongest team and just hope we get no injuries.
My Scunny fan friend says that James Dean - the Scunny manager, not the dead actor! - is "Tactically out of his depth!"
We must be patient as they will make mistakes.
Agree JD, strongest team available should be played every game
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MUST play our strongest team and just hope we get no injuries.
My Scunny fan friend says that James Dean - the Scunny manager, not the dead actor! - is "Tactically out of his depth!"
We must be patient as they will make mistakes.
Agree JD, strongest team available should be played every game
Always in the league, cup and trophy. The csc, p'raps not.
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Although I basically agree, I'd still like to win the senior cup. We shouldn't need to play the full first eleven vs Runcorn should we?
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Although I basically agree, I'd still like to win the senior cup. We shouldn't need to play the full first eleven vs Runcorn should we?
A mixture of players who need minutes and Reserves should be enough but they will most definitely need to up their levels as we looked poor against Vauxhall Motors. Appreciate it's hard to get as motivated as a player but Runcorn should be bang up for it and I'd imagine their fans will probably give it a go as well.
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Although I basically agree, I'd still like to win the senior cup. We shouldn't need to play the full first eleven vs Runcorn should we?
A mixture of players who need minutes and Reserves should be enough but they will most definitely need to up their levels as we looked poor against Vauxhall Motors. Appreciate it's hard to get as motivated as a player but Runcorn should be bang up for it and I'd imagine their fans will probably give it a go as well.
Ultimately, there's plenty of players who have no guarantee of a place here next Summer who will need to show in their minutes on the pitch they can cut it for us; the added (hopeful) incentive of a SF/Wembley place keeps it interesting.
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👆👆This.
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I wonder if anyone will be moved to accommodate Ferguson (as part of the loan requirement).
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MWH being out gives us a loan spot free
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Streaming
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What’s the forecast tonight any chance the game will not go ahead because of the weather?
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What’s the forecast tonight any chance the game will not go ahead because of the weather?
according to BBC weather a fair day there today, not below freezing until after nine tonight, so game should be on.
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Getting a bit apprehensive about this one as I really fancy us to get three points.
Does that make any sense at all? 😂
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Looking for
3 points 0 injuries
1 point 0 injuries
0 points 0 injuries
The 0 injuries is the priority.😁
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Not sure about the changes ... but Parky knows best! 😉
Come on you Supers, do us proud tonight lads!
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RR sounds strange tonight
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RR sounds strange tonight
Since they moved to the Radio Alty platform the service has been poor.
Nothing but music at the moment.
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RR sounds strange tonight
Since they moved to the Radio Alty platform the service has been poor.
Nothing but music at the moment.
The same for me
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RR sounds strange tonight
Since they moved to the Radio Alty platform the service has been poor.
Nothing but music at the moment.
The same for me
Bring back Ceefax
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RR sounds strange tonight
Since they moved to the Radio Alty platform the service has been poor.
Nothing but music at the moment.
The same for me
Bring back Ceefax
I thought that was Gandalf's horse 🐴 😂
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Technical issues according to Twitter
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Radio Humberside if you want commentary
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Radio Humberside if you want commentary
thanks for that. wasnt listed on the bbc sport website live guide link.
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Radio Humberside if you want commentary
Thanks for that, got it on radio Humberside now. It's a good commentary, very fair.
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Crying out for Linney second half. They are there for the taking.
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Crying out for Linney second half. They are there for the taking.
My guess would be the hour mark.
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How good it is to see how full-time football is allowing us to develop players like Byrne whose early season shortcomings are now becoming routine and part of his all-round play. I bet Connah’s Quay are gutted.
Sorry, laughing all the way to the bank.
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piss poor
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very poor the second half
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Dear me🤦🏼
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Got to be starting Gould. Really hope Welsh-Hayes is available for Saturday
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York will be licking their lips after tonight
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We have been really poor for two and half games now.
For the amount of game time, can someone please tell me what Osborne brings to our team?
He spends most of the game passing it 5 yards sideways, bottles 50/50's and is awful at set pieces.
Missing the three players we lost.
Colclough was strong and direct.
Toby was consistent, strong and a threat going forward.
CCC scored and made things happen.
We've only had one winger in our last three squads - Sinclair.
Badly missing pace, direct and confident players.
Byrne needs dropping, costing us so many points.
Don't think Perritt will be our long term answer. Doesn't get forward. Need fullbacks in the mould of Dens, Senior or Toby.
If we have one winger then we need our fullbacks bobbing on.
Why is Parky taking so long to make subs when we are up against it. Always too late.
Linney should have started tonight, crazy.
I am worried for Saturday. We have gone badly backwards.
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Garbage
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How on earth can we go from easily dispatching Woking and Barnet, to this?
I have my ticket for Saturday but really fear the worse.
What does the keeper need to do to get dropped?
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For the love of God, what the hell was that>
How many times have s=we wasted a decent 1st half this season?
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Have we got any injury worries? I know we've got plenty of other worries. Saturday's looking far more iffy now.
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Keeeeepppeeerrrsss
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The change from Solihull is really quite spectacular.
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Playoffs were never really realistic, in my view, because we're so inconsistent. What I'm hoping will come out of recent games in the appropriate ruthlessness in the summer because I fail to see how our management team can be watching these games and drawing any other conclusion. 3 clean sheets and the last of those vs Oldham in October. A bottom 4 goals against record. Etc. Appreciating that some of our openness is a consequence of our style of play, that's clearly not good enough if we ever want to be a stable top 10/playoff chasing side. Hopefully it will all happen.
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How on earth can we go from easily dispatching Woking and Barnet, to this?
I have my ticket for Saturday but really fear the worse.
What does the keeper need to do to get dropped?
Those two lost to Oldham and dorking tonight so maybe not the stellar results we thought they were. Performance was miles apart though
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Better team in the first half but devoid of any sort of cutting edge when we reached their penalty area.
By contrast, that second-half performance was utterly abject.
When on earth is there going to be some accountability for goalkeeping errors and our recurrent inability to defend corners?
You really do fear the worst if York City were to score first on Saturday.
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Predictable I’m afraid. Had them on the back foot for much of the first half but just like Yeovil last Tuesday we went to pieces after HT, aided by Byrne pushing out a fairly tame looking shot for a Scunny tap in. They looked a poor side & easy to see why they are down there, I’d still be surprised if they get out of it.
For us though that’s 65 conceded now & with 10 games left I imagine that will top out somewhere around the early to mid 80s. That’s clearly not sustainable looking to next season. Byrne has to go for me, simply not good enough & the body language of our defenders suggests they agree. Is there something wider though, set pieces so important in this league (look at Wrexham) & we look like conceding off them all the time. I love our brand of football but unless it’s married with a bit more steel we will be going backwards.
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We really must play Gould on Saturday.
I don't know what else to say.
Apart from a winger on each side of Lundstram and Marriott, and two up front.
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Their manager changed the game in the second half. We didn't have a plan B. Big mistake by Ollie for the first. We had three players on the guy who made the cross though. Second one was debatable.
Was Linney rested. I hope so!
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On Twitter while the Forum was out of action, Jordan Hulme was in favour of "letting it die because it's full of negativity".
Well here's a positive if you read this - we were positively dreadful tonight, and I don't think a single player emerged from that debacle with one ounce of credit.
It's hard to pick on individuals (other than the inept Byrne) amongst such a morass of sh*te, but I'm willing to drive Cashman back to Coventry at my own expense.
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I wondered what the Hulme reference elsewhere was about.
I think this forum is quite positive on the whole certainly not as negative as others are (or would be in similar circumstances)
For me, it's a vital link to like minded Alty fans (and saves Mrs S going deaf or leaving me!) 😉 😂
Long live the Forum!
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On Twitter while the Forum was out of action, Jordan Hulme was in favour of "letting it die because it's full of negativity".
Well here's a positive if you read this - we were positively dreadful tonight, and I don't think a single player emerged from that debacle with one ounce of credit.
It's hard to pick on individuals (other than the inept Byrne) amongst such a morass of sh*te, but I'm willing to drive Cashman back to Coventry at my own expense.
I think he wrote it on the back of his first 3 back to back games where he put in a bit of graft for a long time .
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It’s only a fortnight since Barnet where it was all hugs and handshakes with these lads, so as poor a result as it is I’m not going to slate them for it.
In the first half I thought we were much more like ourselves and I was convinced we’d go on and win it fairly comfortably, but for a howler that seemed to suck the enthusiasm and drive out of all the players, not just the keeper. I can accept a loss to anyone in this league but that attitude in the second half simply wasn’t good enough and is the part that I will have a pop at. Too many of them were sulking with their heads down looking defeated with 20 minutes to go.
Like I say, I’m not overly fussed about the result because in the grand scheme of 2022/23 it’s going to be neither here nor there. Our season is going to be decided on whether we can get bounce back properly on Saturday and I just hope that if we’re faced with a bit of adversity again, we don’t crumble like we have done the past two games - we showed against Woking and Barnet that we’re perfectly capable of doing so.
Big job for the management to get them right mentally now. We aren’t suddenly a bad team, get right behind them on Saturday.
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Too much tinkering these past few games, and we played ourselves into such poor form with such a negative approach in the second half at Yeovil - aided and abetted by the management team not being willing to ring the changes soon enough to make a difference.
I agree about the keeper - like a good manager, it instils confidence in all of the players in front of you - and it does appear the defence are struggling in that sense. As suggested previously, Kidderminster's former first choice goalkeeper (and in the same NLN XI as Baines last season) is warming the bench at TNS - I'd be putting an approach in for him now to be honest.
I can understand benching Linney as he's not available on Saturday - perhaps he was testing out the XI he was thinking of going with - a frightening thought.
Where was Maxi Oyedele? Maybe he's not going to be available for York either? Who knows.
I'm not willing to write Harry Perritt off after 2 games - Accy were sad to lose him in League One, and we've seen how long it's taken Ryan Colclough to find his feet at Chesterfield (3 goals in 3 games now).
Positives?
- at least you'd think Lewis Baines and Isaac Marriott are both going to start on Saturday;
- players might have had one eye on Saturday and avoiding injury, particularly in the second half;
- this level of football has been so bizarre this season, we might just pull something out of nowhere on Saturday;
- given our own season has been even more bizarre, I wouldn't bet against Joe Hugill rocking up as a ringer, bagging a hat trick and never being seen again...
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I wouldn't bet against Joe Hugill rocking up as a ringer, bagging a hat trick and never being seen again...
That would be fantastic (and extremely unlikely!)
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Why were the Alty players smiling chatting and laughing with the Scunny fans towards the end of the match??
I was fuming. So unprofessional. They should be fighting to get something from the game and fir some pride. It was sickening.
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We need Jordan to come on here and inject some positivity. I think he would find it difficult after that display.
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It’s only a fortnight since Barnet where it was all hugs and handshakes with these lads, so as poor a result as it is I’m not going to slate them for it.
In the first half I thought we were much more like ourselves and I was convinced we’d go on and win it fairly comfortably, but for a howler that seemed to suck the enthusiasm and drive out of all the players, not just the keeper. I can accept a loss to anyone in this league but that attitude in the second half simply wasn’t good enough and is the part that I will have a pop at. Too many of them were sulking with their heads down looking defeated with 20 minutes to go.
Like I say, I’m not overly fussed about the result because in the grand scheme of 2022/23 it’s going to be neither here nor there. Our season is going to be decided on whether we can get bounce back properly on Saturday and I just hope that if we’re faced with a bit of adversity again, we don’t crumble like we have done the past two games - we showed against Woking and Barnet that we’re perfectly capable of doing so.
Big job for the management to get them right mentally now. We aren’t suddenly a bad team, get right behind them on Saturday.
Some sense here Andrew, adding to what you say, we need to be more clinical, that's both ends. We should have been 2 up first half, but no we make an error and punished. There second, maybe it crossed the line, but damage was done. We had one good opportunity spurned in the second half. Need to be taking those chances. Too many changes last night, not sure in my own mind that was our best team.
Let's get ready for Saturday now.
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Why were the Alty players smiling chatting and laughing with the Scunny fans towards the end of the match??
I was fuming. So unprofessional. They should be fighting to get something from the game and fir some pride. It was sickening.
Roy Keane would not approve
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I wouldn't bet against Joe Hugill rocking up as a ringer, bagging a hat trick and never being seen again...
That would be fantastic (and extremely unlikely!)
Be so, very Alty. File it alongside Zak Goodson returning, scoring and being released in June.
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Too much tinkering these past few games, and we played ourselves into such poor form with such a negative approach in the second half at Yeovil - aided and abetted by the management team not being willing to ring the changes soon enough to make a difference.
I agree about the keeper - like a good manager, it instils confidence in all of the players in front of you - and it does appear the defence are struggling in that sense. As suggested previously, Kidderminster's former first choice goalkeeper (and in the same NLN XI as Baines last season) is warming the bench at TNS - I'd be putting an approach in for him now to be honest.
I can understand benching Linney as he's not available on Saturday - perhaps he was testing out the XI he was thinking of going with - a frightening thought.
Where was Maxi Oyedele? Maybe he's not going to be available for York either? Who knows.
I'm not willing to write Harry Perritt off after 2 games - Accy were sad to lose him in League One, and we've seen how long it's taken Ryan Colclough to find his feet at Chesterfield (3 goals in 3 games now).
Positives?
- at least you'd think Lewis Baines and Isaac Marriott are both going to start on Saturday;
- players might have had one eye on Saturday and avoiding injury, particularly in the second half;
- this level of football has been so bizarre this season, we might just pull something out of nowhere on Saturday;
- given our own season has been even more bizarre, I wouldn't bet against Joe Hugill rocking up as a ringer, bagging a hat trick and never being seen again...
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I said on the coach home last night; you could time travel back and tell me any score; and I'd probably say that sounds normal.
Anything from 5-0 either way, to Byrne scoring the winning penalty.