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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: MarpleAlty on December 19, 2022, 08:18:12 PM
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Just noticed a tweet from a few days ago:
"Tranmere Rovers are interested in signing Altrincham winger Ryan Colclough in the January transfer window"
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Oh heck!
Just twittercrap I hope.
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had we not moved up in 10 places in 13 games, I'd have believed he could go; but I think he'll stay put
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It's not from an actual news source, and has not been mentioned anywhere else.
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Newby/Jennings till the end of the season
Toby/Ryan contract extensions
Come on Alty, make it happen...
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Newby/Jennings till the end of the season
Toby/Ryan contract extensions
Come on Alty, make it happen...
That's exactly what we all want isn't it.
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I’d rather all 4 be permanent deals and throw CCC in with them too… Now that would be a lovely Christmas present 🎁
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
Same with Danny Elliot. We're in a comfortable position to start loaning potential signings - can't see us troubling either zone so if Jennungs isnt a FT signing option Id rather we look at soneone we could take on a season long loan next year
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
Same with Danny Elliot. We're in a comfortable position to start loaning potential signings - can't see us troubling either zone so if Jennungs isnt a FT signing option Id rather we look at soneone we could take on a season long loan next year
Agreed on Danny Elliott, although I think he'd probably be quite expensive in terms of wages - who knows.
Given his recent good form I think I've started turning my attention to Goodwin a bit more - just because it seems very plausible that we might be able to get him given Parky's connections to Stoke, and the fact Eddy Jones plays in the same development squad. Seems to have a lot of the same tick boxes that Newby did.
Connor Jennings has done a great job for us, and hopefully we do sign him up for next season - but I'd like it to be as a very good backup option to someone at a better age and with a much higher ceiling of potential to come in his career.
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
Same with Danny Elliot. We're in a comfortable position to start loaning potential signings - can't see us troubling either zone so if Jennungs isnt a FT signing option Id rather we look at soneone we could take on a season long loan next year
Agreed on Danny Elliott, although I think he'd probably be quite expensive in terms of wages - who knows.
Given his recent good form I think I've started turning my attention to Goodwin a bit more - just because it seems very plausible that we might be able to get him given Parky's connections to Stoke, and the fact Eddy Jones plays in the same development squad. Seems to have a lot of the same tick boxes that Newby did.
Connor Jennings has done a great job for us, and hopefully we do sign him up for next season - but I'd like it to be as a very good backup option to someone at a better age and with a much higher ceiling of potential to come in his career.
Parkinsons most successful 9's have been bringing players in with their hold up play. Goodwin I think would score plenty; but I think we'd need a hold up player alongside him
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
Same with Danny Elliot. We're in a comfortable position to start loaning potential signings - can't see us troubling either zone so if Jennungs isnt a FT signing option Id rather we look at soneone we could take on a season long loan next year
Agreed on Danny Elliott, although I think he'd probably be quite expensive in terms of wages - who knows.
Given his recent good form I think I've started turning my attention to Goodwin a bit more - just because it seems very plausible that we might be able to get him given Parky's connections to Stoke, and the fact Eddy Jones plays in the same development squad. Seems to have a lot of the same tick boxes that Newby did.
Connor Jennings has done a great job for us, and hopefully we do sign him up for next season - but I'd like it to be as a very good backup option to someone at a better age and with a much higher ceiling of potential to come in his career.
Parkinsons most successful 9's have been bringing players in with their hold up play. Goodwin I think would score plenty; but I think we'd need a hold up player alongside him
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure his energy and work rate is a big part of his game - hence why I thought he'd make a good Parky signing.
I know Danny Elliott was never considered a natural finisher - up until last season - but makes up for it in work rate, and he's at a good age for sure.
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Just to throw in a bonus one, if I were Parky I'd get on the phone to his mates at Stoke about Will Goodwin.
Convince them their lad is better off in a comfortable mid table battle being fed by two of the best wingers in the league, than a relegation battle on the south west coast.
Same with Danny Elliot. We're in a comfortable position to start loaning potential signings - can't see us troubling either zone so if Jennungs isnt a FT signing option Id rather we look at soneone we could take on a season long loan next year
Agreed on Danny Elliott, although I think he'd probably be quite expensive in terms of wages - who knows.
Given his recent good form I think I've started turning my attention to Goodwin a bit more - just because it seems very plausible that we might be able to get him given Parky's connections to Stoke, and the fact Eddy Jones plays in the same development squad. Seems to have a lot of the same tick boxes that Newby did.
Connor Jennings has done a great job for us, and hopefully we do sign him up for next season - but I'd like it to be as a very good backup option to someone at a better age and with a much higher ceiling of potential to come in his career.
Parkinsons most successful 9's have been bringing players in with their hold up play. Goodwin I think would score plenty; but I think we'd need a hold up player alongside him
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure his energy and work rate is a big part of his game - hence why I thought he'd make a good Parky signing.
I know Danny Elliott was never considered a natural finisher - up until last season - but makes up for it in work rate, and he's at a good age for sure.
On paper He'd be excellent and I often think a poacher from our wide men would suit us that someone with hold up play.
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Rumour on Latics forum about Ryan too.
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Rumour on Latics forum about Ryan too.
obviously a big club but are in real danger of going down .Not sure if joining Oldham at the moment would be a good move for him
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Ryan is at least one level (and possibly two) higher than the National League - though not impossible, Oldham is an unlikely destination for him
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Rumour on Latics forum about Ryan too.
obviously a big club but are in real danger of going down .Not sure if joining Oldham at the moment would be a good move for him
A couple of their fans on social media were saying the same about Chris Conn-Clarke too.
They do seem to be linked with everyone at the moment so I'll take it with a pinch of salt for the time being.
As much as we'd live to strengthen further during January, I guess the first hurdle would be getting through unscathed without any player departures.
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Conn-Clarke is going back in January so we need a rw and a 10
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Ryan is at least one level (and possibly two) higher than the National League - though not impossible, Oldham is an unlikely destination for him
Totally. Should be go there there's every possibility of him playing at Gainsborough and Hyde. Can't see him moving there.
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Ryan is at least one level (and possibly two) higher than the National League - though not impossible, Oldham is an unlikely destination for him
Totally. Should be go there there's every possibility of him playing at Gainsborough and Hyde. Can't see him moving there.
Gainsborough and Hyde would be among the more appealing destinations. Atherton Collieries and Warrington Rylands on the other hand.....
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We all know that Ryan could be playing levels above this but at 28 he's perhaps not the young, burgeoning talent that is desperate to climb the footballing pyramid. I don't know him, I could be wrong, but I don't get the sense of a player who wants to leave. He was electric on Boxing Day and looks as committed to Alty as he ever has. So, if we were to sell, I am sure it would be because a club has gone way over our valuation for him, rather than him wanting to leave. He is in his prime as a footballer right now though and would be fully deserving of a gig in the Football League.
Oldham, playing Unsworthball, makes no sense.
Their fans' comments reek of the age-old, new-to-the-level big club entitlement that we've seen countless times over the years. They see no reason why a player wouldn't want to move to a massive club when they're playing for a pub team like us. But we're not as ripe for the picking as we used to be, players have plenty of reason to stick around here now. Chesterfield fans were adamant they'd signed Mullarkey in the summer. Southend's were adamant they'd signed Colclough, too. Both were saying it was a completely done deal when they were far from it.
I think it's more likely that he sees out his contract here and uses his free agency to negotiate a huge League deal in the summer. He won't be short of suitors and I'd imagine his agent will see that as something they can use to their advantage.
Just speculating.
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Id be bitterly disappointed if he went to Oldham. Big club at this level will be even bigger in Conference North.
He does seem to love it here and its sounds him being here has been good for him.
If Salford made a huge offer then maybe.
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Oldham Athletic lodge bid for Altrincham's Ryan Colclough
https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/23217055.oldham-athletic-lodge-bid-altrincham-ryan-colclough/ (https://www.theoldhamtimes.co.uk/sport/23217055.oldham-athletic-lodge-bid-altrincham-ryan-colclough/)
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'...met with resistance...'
Interesting. I smell a new contract offer here
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What a huge statement of intent to the entire league it would be if we actually managed to extend his contract again...
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Maybe this is why we didn't try harder to keep Newby - saving our pennies.
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Maybe this is why we didn't try harder to keep Newby - saving our pennies.
Nice thought. Fingers crossed.
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If Oldham get a deal I hope we're demanding cash up front. All of it. No promises of 50% next season. If they go down, will they exist for there to be a next season?
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I suspect our resistance is more along the lines of we don’t want your money. I can’t believe they would offer the sort of silly money that would force us to sell and I don’t think Oldham is appealing enough for Ryan to get upset as us ‘blocking his move’ so I can’t see it happening. We’d only let him go for more money than Oldham have or if keeping him against his will would piss him off to the extent it damages his performance long term.
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A real quandary for the club. Take the money now and risk derailing our season or possibly lose him for nothing at the end of the season. I just hope he stays as if him and ccc go we could slip back down quickly
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I think we all recognised in our heart of hearts that Coco was probably leaving when his contract expired at the end of the season.
Personally, from his point of view, that's still his best choice too imho.
That goes for us too.
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A real quandary for the club. Take the money now and risk derailing our season or possibly lose him for nothing at the end of the season. I just hope he stays as if him and ccc go we could slip back down quickly
If it were to be Oldham, you're essentially handing them survival. 200k from them. 150k from a FL club.
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A real quandary for the club. Take the money now and risk derailing our season or possibly lose him for nothing at the end of the season. I just hope he stays as if him and ccc go we could slip back down quickly
If it were to be Oldham, you're essentially handing them survival. 200k from them. 150k from a FL club.
If that happens hopefully the money would be spent on replacements ie paying transfer fees if it's the right players
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A real quandary for the club. Take the money now and risk derailing our season or possibly lose him for nothing at the end of the season. I just hope he stays as if him and ccc go we could slip back down quickly
If it were to be Oldham, you're essentially handing them survival. 200k from them. 150k from a FL club.
Colclough would keep them up.
If he had a year or longer left on his contract, then how much would he be worth.... surely 350k and above..Suppose with half a season left on his contract, then 200k would be decent.
Don't expect him to do this, as he has already turned down an offer before ( probably Oldham last time) but would be amazing if he accepted a contract extension, then we could demand a higher fee.
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Not clued up on the transfer market at this level but that seems really high for a player with 6 months left on his deal. Players are moving around League 1 for that sort of money.
Notts County landed Langstaff for £50k.
26 weeks at £1k a week (for arguments sake, I don’t know what he earns), plus a cherry on top for the sh*t it would leave us in. Looking at £100k at the very top end unless I’m wildly mistaken.
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Not clued up on the transfer market at this level but that seems really high for a player with 6 months left on his deal. Players are moving around League 1 for that sort of money.
Notts County landed Langstaff for £50k.
26 weeks at £1k a week (for arguments sake, I don’t know what he earns), plus a cherry on top for the sh*t it would leave us in. Looking at £100k at the very top end unless I’m wildly mistaken.
Probably correct mate.
Colclough has already done it in the league and I would say he is in his prime right now.
I am confident he could do a job in league 1.
This not knowing is bloody horrible.
Does anyone actually know if Con-Clarke is defo going back ?
Watching Alty recently, especially when we had Newby was the best 11 we've had at this level for a very long time.
Just hope we are fighting to keep our talent, which sounds like we are doing and if it becomes out of our hands I hope we don't settle short.
If correct, the transfer window opens midnight on the 1st so does that mean we should have both the above at Halifax....?
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Agreed I think we're looking at £50k-£100k, hopefully towards the higher end, given Langstaff probably held similar stock but at a level below.
On the loans, Transfermarkt has ones of this nature marked up as Jan 1st - rather than Dec 31st as you'd expect them to be - which you would probably read as 'inclusive of'. I would have expected the club to put out an update by now if CCC / Jones were heading back.
You never really appreciate it fully at the time, but a midfield five of Lundstram / Marriott / Colclough / Conn-Clarke / Newby was a bit ridiculous really.
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I want the club to at least put up a fight to keep our greatest asset. Alty without Ryan and CCC would be a very different proposition. Too many times in the past we seem to have let players go too easily. I know we can't match the spending power of bigger clubs but let's try to put some sort of message out there. I doubt if our attendances would hold up without the aforementioned players.
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Another theory could be that nothing is happening at all... why would Oldham wait till January when there's no transfer window anyway? Sounds like lazy gossip strung together by people wanting to cause mischief.
If they have indeed submitted a bid, they did the same for Kurt Willoughby at Chester and they failed there; the other lad they were linked with was at SC**thorpe, so you can understand why that one went through - given they're in an extremely small exclusive group of clubs that are up sh*t creek more than Oldham are.
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£100k would be a giveway for him , the starting figure should be double that at least because he's worth it , he's that good .
Had he been in contract i reckon Sarfend may have forked ot £100k for Mooney , talking of whom seems to be out of fav down there especially with the fans .
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Not clued up on the transfer market at this level but that seems really high for a player with 6 months left on his deal. Players are moving around League 1 for that sort of money.
Notts County landed Langstaff for £50k.
26 weeks at £1k a week (for arguments sake, I don’t know what he earns), plus a cherry on top for the sh*t it would leave us in. Looking at £100k at the very top end unless I’m wildly mistaken.
If they did, theres some big question marks over the recruitment teams at this level if you can pick up the conference north top scorer for the same as 4 Andy Whites.
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A couple of their lot have quoted £150k, but obviously have no idea where that came from.
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I used to work in Oldham and for many years had to listen to 'Latics fans bemoaning their plight as they witnessed their steady decline through the FL system. This is nothing new and they are now typical of a fair few clubs in the lower echelons of the FL, for whom the glory days are but a distant memory and without massive investment are unlikely ever to return. In the current climate the kind of investment needed is simply not going to happen and I'm afraid that Oldham are likely to continue to sink. For a player of Colclough's ability, the only sound advice would be for him to steer well clear and to wait until a better offer comes in from a bigger and more secure club.
On a related matter, where are the figures that are being quoted on this thread being derived from? I've never had any idea of what players are paid and I've often wondered how it is that some people seem to know.
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I used to work in Oldham and for many years had to listen to 'Latics fans bemoaning their plight as they witnessed their steady decline through the FL system. This is nothing new and they are now typical of a fair few clubs in the lower echelons of the FL, for whom the glory days are but a distant memory and without massive investment are unlikely ever to return. The kind of investment needed is simply not going to happen and I'm afraid that Oldham are likely to continue to sink. For a player of Colclough's ability, the only sound advice would be for him to steer well clear and to wait until a better offer comes in from a bigger and more secure club.
On a related matter, where are the figures that are being quoted on this thread being derived from? I've never had any idea of what players are paid and I've often wondered how it is that some people seem to know.
Oldham's record since the turn of the last decade has been totally depressing...
16th / 17th / 16th / 19th / 15th / 15th / 17th / 17th / 21st / 14th / 19th / 18th / 23rd.
In the last 30 years, they've finished in the top half of the league 6 times.
Out of those 6, 4 were outside the playoffs - and the other two ended in defeats at the first hurdle.
Their top scorer last season scored 4 goals.
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To be fair to them they were saddled with idiot owners for a lot of that time.
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I used to work in Oldham and for many years had to listen to 'Latics fans bemoaning their plight as they witnessed their steady decline through the FL system. This is nothing new and they are now typical of a fair few clubs in the lower echelons of the FL, for whom the glory days are but a distant memory and without massive investment are unlikely ever to return. The kind of investment needed is simply not going to happen and I'm afraid that Oldham are likely to continue to sink. For a player of Colclough's ability, the only sound advice would be for him to steer well clear and to wait until a better offer comes in from a bigger and more secure club.
On a related matter, where are the figures that are being quoted on this thread being derived from? I've never had any idea of what players are paid and I've often wondered how it is that some people seem to know.
Oldham's record since the turn of the last decade has been totally depressing...
16th / 17th / 16th / 19th / 15th / 15th / 17th / 17th / 21st / 14th / 19th / 18th / 23rd.
In the last 30 years, they've finished in the top half of the league 6 times.
Out of those 6, 4 were outside the playoffs - and the other two ended in defeats at the first hurdle.
Their top scorer last season scored 4 goals.
I only scored 4 goals less than their top scorer and I’ve never played for Oldham.