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Title: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: HashtagAlty on August 26, 2019, 05:30:15 PM
One of the single worst performances I've seen by an Altrincham side since Crawley (A) in 2011.

Only difference is they were good.

Emabressed to be an Altrincham fan this evening.

Phill doesn't read this apparantly  ::)

Sort it out or ship out.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: CB on August 26, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
‪Questions need to be asked about Parkinson’s signings. We’re still relying on players we signed in the Evostick 2 years ago. Who is the last player signed that has been a success? ‬
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: cheshire cat on August 26, 2019, 06:58:03 PM
We are in the same situation we were in when we were relegated to the glue league. Too many injuries. We've still got the same attack as last year but the results aren't there.

Personally i think we are desperately missing Jake.

You can't wiin the league at this stage but you can certainly lose it.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 26, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
Questions need to be asked about Parkinson’s signings. We’re still relying on players we signed in the Evostick 2 years ago. Who is the last player signed that has been a success? ‬

I've not seen much of him and perhaps there's more to come from him, but I must say i was a bit worried when we spent money on Branson, a 27 year old who had made 62 career league appearances in senior football before joining us. And the Arnold thing was plainly never going to work and shouldn't have even been tried. As for Peers, he's all right but surely Chadwick would have been a better option. Overall, it was a pretty underwhelming close season and we're reaping the rewards of that now.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Nom de plume on August 26, 2019, 11:09:15 PM
Questions need to be asked about Parkinson’s signings. We’re still relying on players we signed in the Evostick 2 years ago. Who is the last player signed that has been a success? ‬

I've not seen much of him [Branson].........
I think that’s because he’s invisible.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: VofD on August 26, 2019, 11:20:59 PM
One of the single worst performances I've seen by an Altrincham side since Crawley (A) in 2011.

Only difference is they were good.

Emabressed to be an Altrincham fan this evening.

Phill doesn't read this apparantly  ::)

Sort it out or ship out.

Parkinson is NOT as good a manager as HE thinks he is.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 26, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
One of the single worst performances I've seen by an Altrincham side since Crawley (A) in 2011.

Only difference is they were good.

Emabressed to be an Altrincham fan this evening.

Phill doesn't read this apparantly  ::)

Sort it out or ship out.

Parkinson is NOT as good a manager as HE thinks he is.

May I be the first to say Phil Parkoutinson? Neil Sorvout. Tommy Udout? Bring back Lee Sinnott, now there was a man with a name suitable for inserting the word "out" into.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Jezza on August 27, 2019, 07:25:47 AM
If ive learnt one thing its that this group of players respond to support.
I think we have to put into context the long hot 60 mins with 10 men
Followed by a long hot trip to boston missing key players.
Parky will get it right and these players will fight for the cause.
I do think parky needs to look at that midfieĺd because defensively
And in attack we have quality...
I think Parky needs to be a bit ruthless if we are to progress.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: alty.fc on August 27, 2019, 07:51:30 AM
Few faces have popped out of the woodwork on this thread
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Jezza on August 27, 2019, 09:04:37 AM
Few faces have popped out of the woodwork on this thread

Always going to happen....PP is still learning this league...he is very determined and i reckon this blip will make us stronger.
Its not like when we were under young or buzz...the players and the fans need to show trust in pp...if the fans wilt then the players may.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: cheshire cat on August 27, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
The team is still a team. Under Young they should have had a revolving door fitted.

Parky said he will see where we are after ten games. My guess is mid table and five points adrift of a playoff spot.

Changing topic slightly it's not looking good for Chorley
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Thomas H on August 27, 2019, 09:36:39 AM
It’s only August and we already have a loaner ,which came about from a poor close season decision.
Wondering if Young managed that?
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on August 27, 2019, 11:21:37 AM
It’s only August and we already have a loaner ,which came about from a poor close season decision.
Wondering if Young managed that?

By this stage in the season, Young had already left, having subjected us to two loanees Nyall Bell and Khuis Metz.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Thomas H on August 27, 2019, 01:07:03 PM
Yeah, the 5 -0 defeat didn’t help his cause.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Jezza on August 27, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Yeah, the 5 -0 defeat didn’t help his cause.

as did not winning a league title and reaching the play off semi in his first two seasons with us and connecting with the fans.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: andrewflynn on August 27, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
Infantile amnesia aside, it was as bad an individual performance as I have ever seen from any Altrincham side in my 25 years of supporting us and the worst thing is I found myself travelling home not being able to put my finger on the cause of it. We were just absolutely miles off it in every department of the game. Truly gobsmacked at full time.

This side has given us so much enjoyment over the past two seasons, I can only really remember two games where I've walked out of a ground so pissed off: Matlock 17/18 (0-1) and Leamington 18/19 (0-3.) This trumps those by some distance, but in a time of such dismay it is worth mentioning that we responded with a win on both of those occasions.

It's now time for PP & NS to sort this out and get us playing like we know we can. I just hope there's too much quality in our squad for it not to click, but it needs to and soon.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: alty.fc on August 27, 2019, 01:54:02 PM
Infantile amnesia aside, it was as bad an individual performance as I have ever seen from any Altrincham side in my 25 years of supporting us and the worst thing is I found myself travelling home not being able to put my finger on the cause of it. We were just absolutely miles off it in every department of the game. Truly gobsmacked at full time.

This side has given us so much enjoyment over the past two seasons, I can only really remember two games where I've walked out of a ground so pissed off: Matlock 17/18 (0-1) and Leamington 18/19 (0-3.) This trumps those by some distance, but in a time of such dismay it is worth mentioning that we responded with a win on both of those occasions.

It's now time for PP & NS to sort this out and get us playing like we know we can. I just hope there's too much quality in our squad for it not to click, but it needs to and soon.
a good post
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Alty Bri on August 27, 2019, 02:50:08 PM
Excellent post.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: JTH on August 27, 2019, 02:55:45 PM
Whilst obviously it was the same for both sides, playing in the 85F degree heat after Saturday's travails looked to be too much for some of the players. For me, what was as worrying as the apparent disintegration of the game plan was a sense of a team feeling sorry for themselves. Perhaps that's being unfair and I hope I'm wrong. Some of yesterday's game was as bad as anything we witnessed in the relegation year, but to start comparing the management to Neil Young is ludicrous.    
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: andrewflynn on August 27, 2019, 03:03:20 PM
Whilst obviously it was the same for both sides, playing in the 85F degree heat after Saturday's travails looked to be too much for some of the players. For me, what was as worrying as the apparent disintegration of the game plan was a sense of a team feeling sorry for themselves. Perhaps that's being unfair and I hope I'm wrong. Some of yesterday's game was as bad as anything we witnessed in the relegation year, but to start comparing the management to Neil Young is ludicrous.    

Yep. Absolutely absurd.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on August 27, 2019, 03:21:41 PM
Whilst obviously it was the same for both sides, playing in the 85F degree heat after Saturday's travails looked to be too much for some of the players. For me, what was as worrying as the apparent disintegration of the game plan was a sense of a team feeling sorry for themselves. Perhaps that's being unfair and I hope I'm wrong. Some of yesterday's game was as bad as anything we witnessed in the relegation year, but to start comparing the management to Neil Young is ludicrous.    

Yep. Absolutely absurd.

I agree with all of the above, and I certainly have faith in the ability of our management team to turn things around. However some tough decisions need to be taken.

The most important of these is the future of Conor Branson. I haven't missed a game this term, and saw most of pre-season. He simply doesn't give us anything. He's not as good in the air as a guy his size should be, hasn't got sufficient pace, can't produce a telling pass, and is often the point at which moves break down. Harsh perhaps, but we need to cut our losses and get rid.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: cheshire cat on August 27, 2019, 03:43:13 PM
Would you get rid in the current circumstances? Where did he come from? I can't remember.

Whilst Young's name has popped up I don't think anyone is arguing that Parky is in the same league
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: roytonmike on August 27, 2019, 03:44:51 PM
Would you get rid in the current circumstances? Where did he come from? I can't remember.
Whilst Young's name has popped up I don't think anyone is arguing that Parky is in the same league
Bradford Park Avenue.
Not having been there yesterday I can't comment on the game or performance but would agree that any comparison between the current management & the mess that was Neil Young is utterly beyond the pale.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: AFC56 on August 27, 2019, 04:06:31 PM
I thought that Connor would be a really good signing but so far I have to say he has been totally underwhelming. Im not sure he fits into the style of play we have had under Parky in the last two seasons. I remember Bernard Morley saying after the Chester game that we are playing a different way now, and the what he witnessed wasn't typical of an Alty side in the last two seasons. Like Andrew commented above, its really difficult to put your finger on what is going wrong, but it certainly isnt clicking.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Thomas H on August 27, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
The reason Young’s name has popped up is we just got hammered 5 0 and the forum is already getting rid of Harrop and Branson, and we already have a loaner in. Didn’t Young win the glue league and conference div 2 at Chester and spent the rest of his life chasing players.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: oneedham on August 27, 2019, 04:59:06 PM
No one should be comparing PP to Young. That is ridiculous.

We haven't had Moult all season, who when fit protects the back four.

I know I pipe on about Hancock but that guy makes us tick. He gets us forward and supports Hulme so well. Plus he gets his fair share of goals. Anyone know what is up with him?

I said it  before the start of the season but we are missing that something extra in centre mid. Branson has been poor. I rate Williams and Richman but we need that extra pace and quality in there.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Silent but Ledley on August 27, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
Young cow strain. SBL
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: alty.fc on August 27, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
The reason Young’s name has popped up is we just got hammered 5 0 and the forum is already getting rid of Harrop and Branson, and we already have a loaner in. Didn’t Young win the glue league and conference div 2 at Chester and spent the rest of his life chasing players.
I think it's a disgrace that Young's name has been mentioned in the same post as Phil's . Disgusting really
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Sarf London Alty on August 27, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
Definitely a few WUM’s on here who have barely posted in months (or even years) now crawling out the woodwork. PP & NS until the start of this season have basically given us two years on a constant upwards curve, a bump in the road was inevitable at some point. We overachieved last season too which makes this look even worse.

One win in seven though for a side who were widely in the top 4-5 for the pre-season betting is very poor whichever way you look at it. I do have some sympathy with the luck point-deflected goals at Chester, missed pens at Brackley, Drench’s unfortunate injury-those little moments have largely gone against us & cost us points. Yesterday though has to be a line in the sand, it sounded like an absolute horror show & that kind of ‘performance’ brings back awful memories for us all. I trust this management & group of players to get us back on the right track as they’ve earned that trust over 2 excellent years but I think the coming week with 2 home games and Southport away we need to see some signs we are back on the right track.

Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: VofD on August 27, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
Definitely a few WUM’s on here who have barely posted in months (or even years) now crawling out the woodwork. PP & NS until the start of this season have basically given us two years on a constant upwards curve, a bump in the road was inevitable at some point. We overachieved last season too which makes this look even worse.

One win in seven though for a side who were widely in the top 4-5 for the pre-season betting is very poor whichever way you look at it. I do have some sympathy with the luck point-deflected goals at Chester, missed pens at Brackley, Drench’s unfortunate injury-those little moments have largely gone against us & cost us points. Yesterday though has to be a line in the sand, it sounded like an absolute horror show & that kind of ‘performance’ brings back awful memories for us all. I trust this management & group of players to get us back on the right track as they’ve earned that trust over 2 excellent years but I think the coming week with 2 home games and Southport away we need to see some signs we are back on the right track.



Define please.
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Mick on August 27, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
A fair post above.......

We have been desperately unlucky in many respects so far this season, albeit some would argue you make your own bad luck

Keep the faith has to be the message at the moment.....I trust Phil and Neil to sort it out, but unfortunately a full time well funded York look to be running away with it...
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Mick on August 27, 2019, 11:06:10 PM
A fair post above.......

We have been desperately unlucky in many respects so far this season, albeit some would argue you make your own bad luck

Keep the faith has to be the message at the moment.....I trust Phil and Neil to sort it out, but unfortunately a full time well funded York look to be running away with it...

South London's post.....
Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: Thomas H on August 28, 2019, 08:17:15 AM
Definitely a few WUM’s on here who have barely posted in months (or even years) now crawling out the woodwork. PP & NS until the start of this season have basically given us two years on a constant upwards curve, a bump in the road was inevitable at some point. We overachieved last season too which makes this look even worse.

One win in seven though for a side who were widely in the top 4-5 for the pre-season betting is very poor whichever way you look at it. I do have some sympathy with the luck point-deflected goals at Chester, missed pens at Brackley, Drench’s unfortunate injury-those little moments have largely gone against us & cost us points. Yesterday though has to be a line in the sand, it sounded like an absolute horror show & that kind of ‘performance’ brings back awful memories for us all. I trust this management & group of players to get us back on the right track as they’ve earned that trust over 2 excellent years but I think the coming week with 2 home games and Southport away we need to see some signs we are back on the right track.

WUM ?
No WUM here, just someone who saw a poor close season in new player dealings. We now seem to be reliant on Jake Moult but as good as he is the issue looks to be a little deeper. The idea iwas to improve on last years good season which in my opinion we haven’t.
We do need to turn it round and let’s hope training ground and hard work is the answer, but as PP has already said its a slow process, but
I will be there Saturday and most other home games and as many away games I can get to, and watch the slow turnaround.

Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: MarpleAlty on August 28, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
I'd love for football fans (not just us, but across the land) to be a bit more level-headed in such times.

No doubt if we won our next 5 on the bounce, we'll be shoe-ins for the title again.

Granted we haven't had much luck, but we clearly can't cope with the loss of 2-3 key players at any point - and we're lacking a real sense of guile, experience and leadership.

Something the aforementioned fatty at York City gives them in bucketloads.

My gut at the moment is that we'll level out at mid-table, but Phil still clearly has much to learn at this level. I reckon he'll get there eventually.

Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: HashtagAlty on August 28, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
Young wasn't the only reason we went down. We had 7 months after that. Perhaps we became used to not being very good.

The minimum I expect from an Altrincham side is effort. The minimum I expect from a Parkinson side is effort and the ability to try and play football. Sometimes this doesn't work i.e against Gloucester. Sometimes we need a plan B ala Stockport.

We didn't play football. We didn't give it a go. We didn't even put up a fight. The lack of fight and grit was the the worst part. Something synoymous with the season of shame (under both the first two managers.)

The worst single performance since Crawley, perhaps because of the high energy, decent performances (win lose or draw) we've become used to under Phil.


Title: Re: Worst than our relegation season
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on August 28, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
Absolutely correct - and basically, if you weren't there to see just how bad it was, it's pointless to comment. Just turn up on Saturday, and let's give them the encouragement to try and raise their game. We really can do no more.