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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC latest accounts out today.
« on: October 15, 2016, 11:03:24 PM »
So we made a 27k profit last year but didn't bring anyone in to try and keep the club in The National Division? Unbelievable!!

Martin, you need to try and stop being so simplistic, when it comes to accounting periods and what happens on the field it isnt that simple.

So Ian,we suffered an avoidable relegation,are now 7 points adrift in a regional league but everything's fantastic because we made a 27k profit? Great stuff.

Ffs, a 27k profit on turnover of 600k+ is not far off a rounding difference. To me, that's balanced the books, and don't forget the loss the previous season of 30k+

If we make a loss - who funds it !

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 15, 2016, 10:31:59 AM »
I'm baffled !

I assume within the budget there is a figure for Fa cup income, some years we've done well, others we've thrown it away to Trafford in an early round.

If the additional 250k hadn't been spent, would anyone be either happy with where we are now or probably even lower. It comes back to my comment about subsidy, on our natural income streams in the conf national we are punching above our weight, a bit of luck, a few extra bits of chance income and we can perhaps keep a place in conf national. I'm sure the board would love to balance the books and build up a cash reserve to call on when needed , but it's always needed straight away.

An unlucky year like last year, a lot of key players injured, a conman taking a payoff (Griffith), a manager who is perhaps becoming demotivated etc, and we slip down to conf north.

The books have been balanced - fact- income = expenditure give or take the ultimate 35k loss.  At the  meeting a few weeks back there was criticism for not taking out a loan to keep us in conf national - that wouldn't balance well.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: flares
« on: October 14, 2016, 03:18:27 PM »
Having read through this thread and doing some research online its worth pointing out some of the below :- 

Personally - it annoys me when anything is thrown, its not funny, it disrupts the game and puts people in danger - I'd happily "grass" if I knew who did it - because one day it  could be someone I know who gets hurt. 

People are getting jailed and banned
•   In November 2013 a Manchester United fan that set off a smoke bomb during their clash with West Bromwich Albion - Sir Alex Ferguson's last game in charge – was given a two month jail term (suspended for 12 months) and banned from any football grounds for three years.
•   In February 2013 two Chelsea fans were jailed for 28 days and given six year football banning orders for taking smoke bombs into the Liberty Stadium for a match versus Swansea City. Their appeal for the sentence was thrown out.
•   In January 2013 an 18 year old Exeter City fan was jailed for two months and given a six year banning order for attempting to take a smoke bomb into Torquay United v Exeter City.
•   In August 2012 an Oxford United fan was jailed for two months and given a six year banning order for taking a smoke bomb into Home Park for a match versus Plymouth Argyle.


Recent examples of injuries caused by pyrotechnics at English football grounds

•   Leeds United v Shrewsbury Town, 11 August 2012 – two supporters were injured, one requiring hospital treatment, when an industrial firework was ignited and thrown in the away supporters’ toilet. 
•   Coventry City v Walsall, 8 December 2012 - a flare was discharged by the Walsall supporters. A steward placed his foot on the device to prevent further smoke escaping, however the sole of his shoe melted causing injury.
•   Leicester City v Sheffield Wednesday, 9 March 2013 - a female supporter received treatment for burns to her leg from one of the smoke bombs thrown between supporters. 
•   Bolton Wanderers v Huddersfield Town, 2 April 2013 - Bolton supporters ignited a flare and an 18 year old youth was treated for burns picking it up.
•   West Bromwich Albion v Newcastle United, 20 April 2013 – fans were treated for shrapnel wounds following the setting off of thunder flashes. Debris passed through jeans and caused cuts to legs.
•   Wigan Athletic v Aston Villa, May 2013 - a 15-year-old boy suffered lung damage from a smoke bomb thrown during the game. The boy needed hospital treatment, while two women aged 22 and 24, also required attention for the effects of the device.
•   Liverpool v Everton, May 2013 – an eight year Everton fan was hit by a smoke bomb thrown by fans in the away end. He was treated for a burn on his neck on his first visit to a Merseyside derby.
•   Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur on 20 October 2013 - an assistant referee was struck by a lit smoke canister thrown from the stand.


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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 12, 2016, 04:08:52 PM »
We're back to that 'If u don't like it do yourself' bollocks are we? A lot of people,myself included haven't got the time or the desire to help tidy things up. In all honesty I'm only interested with what happens on the pitch as I'm sure many others are. If people want to volunteer then fine,well done to them but don't shout down those that don't. It's like the CSH people keep spouting on about,I personally couldn't give a sh*t about zumba or pilates etc and was quite happy with the old bar for an after match pint,I'm only interested in the team.

A lot of fans are only interested in the team. Get that.
The point you seem to be missing is that the creation of the CSH will bring in and is bringing much more money into the club to support the team, (the old bar was tiny and very poor and income from it low) the more fans and income the better players we can afford.
Surely you can see that ?

And the more that volunteer and get things done for free or cheap that would otherwise need cash to be done - the more thats left for the bit we all care about - the playing budget.


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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 12, 2016, 01:07:15 PM »
In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen

I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though

However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement

Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!

WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11

Exactly! How many fans attended the ground tidy up days? not many.

Ask Jamie - he was on the grounds committee!

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 12, 2016, 10:53:42 AM »
In terms of the ground being tidy I would disagree personally the huge nettles and sheer drop at the away end is an accident waiting to happen

I suppose it's all a matter of time and money though

However I do have to say this club does some amazing community work that we should all be very proud of and the community hall has been a huge improvement

Plus, the Popular Side is turning into a jungle with all the weeds!

WHY DONT YOU DO IT THEN1!!1!11

 :D

It was fully weeded and cleared by the ground work party in June.  What we need is more supporters to trample the weeds to death - then they wouldnt grow!

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 11, 2016, 08:14:04 PM »
I recall from the last accounts something like an income for Alty for the year of £500k - therefore costs were roughly the same.

500k divide by 21 home games  divide by 1000 attendance = £23.80 per person needed for every adult, oap, student, child, under 12 to fund the football club at its current level.

So every time you pay £14 on the gate - somewhere the club has managed to earn another £10 to match that - whether through sponsorship, bar takings, donations, fund raising, bucket collections etc.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 11, 2016, 08:05:32 PM »
Out of interest.....

Man Utd make £107m from matchday revenue yet pay Rooney £13m.

Its all from the TV £140m and commercial activities £268m

http://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx

Those who attend the ground on matchday are subsidised by the millions watching on tv and all those buying shirts and other activities.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 11, 2016, 08:00:06 PM »
Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money

When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold? 

Does that not constitute better run.



the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me.   I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight.  I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.

We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there.  The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.

Free show? Supporters pay every fortnight to get in the ground so why should they constantly be asked for more money? I've never been to a restaurant where I've paid for a meal then had a bucket shoved in my face for any spare change I have or been asked for an extra quid to guess what time my starter will be ready!

And I presume you've never had a service charge added to the bill or paid a tip?
You've paid to get in but have you paid enough to get in. If you did then the extras like the bucket collection wouldn't be needed.

Then the business has gone wrong somewhere. Pricing is wrong or sponsorship isn't achieved or their outgoing a are wrong

The pricing is wrong, but its all that the market will bear, therefore its a loss leader to get people in the gate and then do the best to extract a few more £££s for value added services inside. 

Similarly with sponsorship - whats the market rate of reaching 1000 people a fortnight maximum. 

We all know its skewed by the massive amount of money in football from the higher levels driven through billions of tv/premiership revenue, little of which ever comes to the lower clubs, but adjusts the market.

Sticking with the restaurant theme - I guess its the equivalent of Michelin Star restaurants serving fillet steak for £10 subsidised by other revenue streams, yet Richie can only serve up rump steak for that price.

None of the above is new to any of us - but its the bleating and bickering by some that is frustrating - it is what it is - lets make the best of it by all being a bit more positive and proactive.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: AFC Telford
« on: October 11, 2016, 04:57:15 PM »
Its seeing situations like this that put into perspective how well Alty is run, on lower attendances as well.
in what way are we better run? We don't have a pot to piss in and the chairmans always asking the supporters for money

When was the last statement from Altrincham along the lines of the Telford statement - I imagine before my time supporting them back when the financial issues were around and Chequers was sold? 

Does that not constitute better run.

the "asking supporters for money" comment and some of what was said at the meet the board has started to really irk me.   I feel a number of supporters feel a god given right to some form of subsidy to the club, to subsidise us supporting them so we dont have to pay full whack. Of course the supporters should be asked for money where necessary, its not a free show thats put on every fortnight.  I dont go to a restaurant and expect the manager to pay for half my meal and I dont come to Alty and expect others to fund the club.

We're the supporters, the reason the club is there and the main source of income to keep it there.  The best way to reduce the ask of supporters is for there to be more of us.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Walking Football
« on: October 11, 2016, 11:39:21 AM »
I'm hoping to make it down - just worried it might be too strenuous :-)

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Monthly Draw
« on: September 21, 2016, 04:10:37 PM »
The updated list is now available on the website (through news section) - amazing to see over 500 entries on there !

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Injury list
« on: September 14, 2016, 02:16:02 PM »
For me, the club hierarchy seem to be anti social media, because they dislike the negative aspects of it, but of course, social media has many positive aspects too which need to be tapped into., and they don't seem to embrace the website either IMHO. It's outdated and needs to be brought into the current era.

I disagree with the website comment - its updated daily with current relevant content thats provided both from our club and the wider league.  A county fan at work actually commented to me how much better it was than their site - and I've just seen their fans forum which is miles behind this one.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Gloucester Match Thread
« on: September 11, 2016, 10:38:39 PM »
but those clubs don't have the golden egg of a community centre generating funds for them? I thought the community centre was a about legacy? The only legacy I see is that funds have been diverted from football to community and now the clubs on its arse

You dont half write some constant drivel on here Jamie - this delusional train of thought that somewhere the football club is putting money into the CSH - just where on earth does this come from.

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Stockport County - MATCH THREAD
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:33:58 AM »
Just had a quick look on the Stockport forum...with rain forecast for tomorrow and their general unhappiness at having to buy tickets for a game that isn't ALL ticket, it would appear that a large number are going to go to the home end to get in.

Not sure if the Club are aware of this potential situation, or if it should be flagged up?

You could always ask an Alty fan to name 3 players from our current squad to identify if they are Alty or County - although right now I'd struggle to answer ;-)

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