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Title: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jenga on May 16, 2013, 10:35:08 PM
Pleased with this
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Timperley The Best on May 16, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
i agree ,experienced and can also play centre half

Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: markecky on May 16, 2013, 10:39:37 PM
If he can sort his passing out he will be a good player.  I know that sounds odd but he started with it going astray then it improved a lot in the New year, then seemed to slip back again.

His fitness and commitment cannot be questioned though and if Sinnott wants him again then that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on May 17, 2013, 07:22:03 AM
Decent enforcer, and can play in a couple of positions
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: roytonmike on May 17, 2013, 07:43:27 AM
If he stays fit he should prove a good enforcer & a great help to the likes of Boshell & Moult.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: distancetraveller on May 17, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
Another good aquisition to the squad for next season
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: brian1925 on May 17, 2013, 12:14:09 PM
I'm pleased about this too, especially as i was worried he'd leave. Welcome back Carl.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: bighairedmike on May 17, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
I'm personally happy with this. There seemed to be an anti-Rodgers bandwagon rolling a the end of the season for some reason and I'm not sure it was entirely justified. Yes his passing isn't the best but if you're playing him with someone like Boshell or Moult then short passes are often enough. He has had some absolutely outstanding games for us and his movement and awareness for Nicky Clees goal against Halifax was phenomenal.

Good signing.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on May 17, 2013, 12:51:39 PM
I just think it's great that we're going to have some continuity in the squad and some tweaks where possible, rather than having to make wholesale changes. It should really help us to hit the ground running come August.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: ASMO on May 17, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
I agree his passing sometimes goes astray, but look how Simon Richman has improved his game since his first season , its good were keeping the nucleus of last seasons squad , just need couple of defender IMO .   
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: taxi Phil on May 17, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
In January, I'd have let him go......but his back end performances make him a "must keep".
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 09:30:45 AM
If he can sort his passing out he will be a good player.  I know that sounds odd but he started with it going astray then it improved a lot in the New year, then seemed to slip back again.

His fitness and commitment cannot be questioned though and if Sinnott wants him again then that's good enough for me.
his fitness can be questioned, spent the whole season with niggling injuries

poor signing - indicates play offs again
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: bighairedmike on May 18, 2013, 09:39:24 AM
If he can sort his passing out he will be a good player.  I know that sounds odd but he started with it going astray then it improved a lot in the New year, then seemed to slip back again.

His fitness and commitment cannot be questioned though and if Sinnott wants him again then that's good enough for me.
his fitness can be questioned, spent the whole season with niggling injuries

poor signing - indicates play offs again

Niggling injuries (picked up from games) have nothing to do with a players fitness.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 09:42:53 AM
You being serious Warren?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 09:46:15 AM
It isn't a poor signing that's harsh granted I myself would've probably let go but not poor
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 09:54:44 AM
That dosent make sense Jimmy

Why would you have let go?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on May 18, 2013, 09:56:47 AM
We bemoaned having no squad depth last season, Rodgers can play in the middle and at the back, I'm more than happy to see him re-engaged, how you can say that his re-signing indicates playoffs beggars belief. We're 8 weeks away from the first friendly, we've signed one new player so far, arguably the best midfielder in this league,and have no idea who else will be coming in, at least give it until you know what the squad is to start questioning the manager this year.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
That dosent make sense Jimmy

Why would have let go?
your statement seems to suggest he is a bad player he is a good player however I feel both richman and moult are better his signing probably means no more signings in centre midfield which is a little disappointing I'd like see a midfield with Clee left richman right bosh and another signing in middle
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
Dennis we came 4th last season and Rodgers was one of our worst players

If we want to win the league we need better players

This is what the manager will be judged on

Of course if you happy with play offs again, then that a different story, Rodgers will do
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 10:13:24 AM
That dosent make sense Jimmy

Why would have let go?
your statement seems to suggest he is a bad player he is a good player however I feel both richman and moult are better his signing probably means no more signings in centre midfield which is a little disappointing I'd like see a midfield with Clee left richman right bosh and another signing in middle
he is a good player, but not good enough to win the league is what I think your trying to say Jimmy

Which is exactly what I am saying

Get the tram
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: bighairedmike on May 18, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
You being serious Warren?

Taking a knock and getting a niggling injury is one thing. Being unfit is another. If Michael Twiss had been injured, sat on the bench and gained 3 stone I could accept it more than him being lazy and unfit to start with.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Timperley The Best on May 18, 2013, 10:26:50 AM
We bemoaned having no squad depth last season, Rodgers can play in the middle and at the back, I'm more than happy to see him re-engaged, how you can say that his re-signing indicates playoffs beggars belief. We're 8 weeks away from the first friendly, we've signed one new player so far, arguably the best midfielder in this league,and have no idea who else will be coming in, at least give it until you know what the squad is to start questioning the manager this year.

i agree , if he could only play  one position  i doubt he would have signed
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
You being serious Warren?

Taking a knock and getting a niggling injury is one thing. Being unfit is another. If Michael Twiss had been injured, sat on the bench and gained 3 stone I could accept it more than him being lazy and unfit to start with.
hmmm

i wonder why he get so many niggling injuries?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on May 18, 2013, 10:38:15 AM
Dennis we came 4th last season and Rodgers was one of our worst players

If we want to win the league we need better players

This is what the manager will be judged on

Of course if you happy with play offs again, then that a different story, Rodgers will do

Where does it say in the press release that he is going to play every week? Championship winning sides have squad depth, I wouldn't say nani and Anderson are premier league winning players, but they serve a purpose, as part of a squad. Where does it say we aren't signing any more players? And if we'd started the way we finished we would have been a damn sight higher then fourth, and most of the squad that finished are signed up. I'm all for being criticalwhen required but can we not see the squad first?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
Fair point pete
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: markecky on May 18, 2013, 10:53:33 AM
I refuse to believe Jamie that you think the management have sat down this week and said bollocks to the title, we fancy the playoffs so lets get Carl signed on to make it happen.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Toff Apple on May 18, 2013, 11:06:42 AM
The real nugget in this thread is who will play right wing?  Richman is a good quality player but for me better in the middle than rogers.  We need to find a right winger who will do with densmore what doughty and clee managed in the last few games (brackley away an exception)
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: robininstockport on May 18, 2013, 11:57:55 AM
The right winger (or lack of) position was mentioned last Sunday. So we can be sure this is being adressed.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 12:14:45 PM
Perhaps we get a quality forward could move dunc back there but have to be a top forward
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Robins Retweet on May 18, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
Its an interesting point about watmore playing right wing, i thought against brackley he was coming so far back from his centre forward position that at one point he had to get out of a tough left back spot by taking on two of there players and then still provide an attacking threat, clearly wasted energy and couldnt sustain it as we saw, we know watmore is our second top scorer which is great, but i still think he can be just as usefull on the wing, and probebly provide the ideal distraction for reeves and a hold up striker to find space.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 03:19:26 PM
I refuse to believe Jamie that you think the management have sat down this week and said bollocks to the title, we fancy the playoffs so lets get Carl signed on to make it happen.
no I don't think they have done that

that's my worry

Dennis so Rodgers just going to be the water carrier then? No room for all these Chester players your after :D
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on May 18, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
Which players would you like to see us sign?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jenga on May 18, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
Unbelieveable to be honest.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jenga on May 18, 2013, 06:42:48 PM
I think we have all said that removing four or so players from last years squad and bringing in 4 new quality players would be awesome and we can move 4 of last years team to the bench.

And.... before you say it anyone i am not convinced at all that rogers should be on the bench, there is a strong case for him being in the starting lineup.

Or we could just say the manager is sh*t, i will keep on his back again all season and slate the team and players and directors of the club for having no ambition or idea as to how to run a football club.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on May 18, 2013, 06:55:18 PM
Exodus Geohaghon is available, released by Mansfield
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 06:58:06 PM
Exodus Geohaghon is available, released by Mansfield
he will stay pro
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 07:05:26 PM
Which players would you like to see us sign?
i dont know, I'm not the Manager
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: bighairedmike on May 18, 2013, 07:24:02 PM
Which players would you like to see us sign?
i dont know, I'm not the Manager

Thats not what he asked. Who would you like to see here. Not who do you think the manager wants here.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: York Alty on May 18, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
laugh or cry?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 07:39:46 PM
I can see the side for both arguments Carl Rodgers is a decent player however we  now have 3 players in his position who are better so I can't see us getting another player in central midfield which despite bosh we probably needed
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Which players would you like to see us sign?
i dont know, I'm not the Manager

Thats not what he asked. Who would you like to see here. Not who do you think the manager wants here.
A Val Owen, Eddie Hussin type player. I don't know who, as I said I not the manager, but I know it not Carl Rodgers

Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: joe on May 18, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
I think Carl Rodgers could be a very important player next season coming off the bench to close games out and in the more physical encounters.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on May 18, 2013, 08:28:53 PM
I think Carl Rodgers could be a very important player next season coming off the bench to close games out and in the more physical encounters.

Exactly! Nobody said he was Patrick Vieira, but he can definitely help us win the title.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 18, 2013, 09:02:10 PM
I think Carl Rodgers could be a very important player next season coming off the bench to close games out and in the more physical encounters.

Exactly! Nobody said he was Patrick Vieira, but he can definitely help us win the title.
waste of budget

incidentally Paul would you resign Brooke, Lacey or Hall?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on May 18, 2013, 09:14:17 PM
Jamie

Instead of saying this guy aint good enough, that guy can't play in enough positions, the Manager is a clueless buffoon, the Board have no ambition and the pies are always cold could you enlighten us on two matters please

Firstly, player/squad related - Who would you like us to sign and, whilst we are on the subject, who would you release if you could go back before ANY of our players signed for next season

Secondly, a more general, developmental issue - Do you have a view on the proposed Community Sports Hall?

Thank You
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on May 18, 2013, 09:19:11 PM
incidentally Paul would you resign Brooke, Lacey or Hall?

What's that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jimmy on May 18, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
I think what he is trying to say is who should go to give us budget to get others who maybe better
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: taxi Phil on May 18, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
Our aim this season is to get promoted. Carl Rodgers is perfectly capable of contributing to that effort. As the season progresses, we will undoubtedly strengthen. We have done correctly to re-sign Carl in my opinion......next season is another matter entirely.
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 19, 2013, 12:31:21 PM
Jamie

Instead of saying this guy aint good enough, that guy can't play in enough positions, the Manager is a clueless buffoon, the Board have no ambition and the pies are always cold could you enlighten us on two matters please

Firstly, player/squad related - Who would you like us to sign and, whilst we are on the subject, who would you release if you could go back before ANY of our players signed for next season

Secondly, a more general, developmental issue - Do you have a view on the proposed Community Sports Hall?

Thank You
ATS you are a drama queen

All this because I dared to suggest that if we want to win the league we will need better players than Carl Rodgers

players I would release are: Hall, Rodgers, Brooke, Lacey

Who should replace them I dont know, but I would expect the manager to

Community Sports Hall - all very positive
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 19, 2013, 12:34:11 PM
I think what he is trying to say is who should go to give us budget to get others who maybe better
spot on Jimmy
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: JDN on May 19, 2013, 01:12:01 PM
Danny Hall and Ryan Brooke not agreed terms for next season. As per twitter

VERY VERY good news :D
Title: Re: Carl Rogers signs
Post by: Jezza on May 19, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
Last year I was disappointed when we signed mgivern.....I didn't think he was a quality alty player and I was pleased when he disappeared....and I did think that was a poor signal of intent from Lee.

Although I agree with the premise of releasing players to bring in better quality I don't know what is in the manager's head....

Consensus seemed to be we needed 3 players....a centre forward, a centre midfielder and a centre back....and that we would probably need to offload a few squad players to pay for this....Rogers would have been in the maybe pile for me but not a definite release and only release if we need to in order to bring in much much better quality.

We have Boshell as the centre midfielder signed, I still think we need a quality centre back...maybe not getting a centre forward and our utilising our current forwards is paying to keep rogers who is excellent at breaking up play....or maybe it is in Lee's head to use Leather as centre back so we do not need to release as many 'squad players'

Carl Rogers is a very good player at this level, if he can sort his passing out to a consistent standard would be even better.....IMO