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[Jenga]

Yes I know it has been discussed before but I would like to raise this again.

Alty continually defend corners will 11 men in and around the penalty area.

This means that usually we have to defend two crosses, the corner and the second attempt when after the clearance it comes back at us.

Last night we conceeded a goal because of this in my opinion.

I raised this at the time in the stand and most people disagreed with me. But a few that I spoke to individually did actually agree with my point or were just being polite at the time.

My Issue is that IF we had one (or maybe even two at a push) standing outside our box mid way to the half way line, or even on the line, the ball would more frequently be cleared and stay cleared.

One comment made to me was that you would not see a forward run 20 yards to attack a defender should the ball go to him.

However my comment is that if we have one player on the half way line it would usually take out two defenders to mark him (thus reducing their attcking ability as well) The ball once cleared would either go out to open space, in which both players can run for it, or it would land near our attacker/ their defender who would then be challenging for the ball. Dale for example IS strong, in my opinion he would pick up alot of these clearances.

In other words both players would have to run 20 yards to the ball or neither would as it would come to them.

I believe had we had someone on the half way line last night that ball would have been challenged for and perhaps would not have come straight back at us and then ultimately us conceeding a goal.

There is the arguement that we should have defended better, I grant you that and we should have, however prevention is better than cure and we could have stopped ball coming back at as in the first place.

As a parting comment on this I also have heard the phrase "if is good enough for United it is good enough for Alty", sorry we are not United with world class defenders who can play the ball out of defence with a fast supporting midfield, we hoof it out and it comes back.

I would welcome your thoughts.

[Jezza]

I completely agree with this particularly the point about dragging two defenders away with just one forward and the fact it is very difficult to keep the ball and set up an attack when the ball just goes 20 yards out to one of their players and comes flying back often from a better angle and with more opportunity for a goal..

At least one forward should be kept up on the half way line, not to do so is very defrensive, boring and counter productive....we may not concede many direct from a corner but we certainly don't start any attacks ourselves straight after clearing the ball and I have seen countless goals conceded when an opposition player whacks it straight back into the net.....in fact when D&R beat us 5-0 at home both first goals occurred this way.

[seasonticket]

I have been saying the same thing for years and could not agree more.
When we get a corner the opposition will always leave one or two and occasionally three players near half way. which means we have to leave three or even four back to mark them thus lessening our attacking capability.
We should never try to defend corners with eleven in our box. It is counter productive. Most forwards can't defend in the box sufficiently well anyway.

[fuertes]

I concur. Everyone back is asking to defend another cross...

[DAB @ ALTY]

This is the GH way of defending set pieces & you will never
get him to change it,the issue has been raised at many a
fan's forum & has had the same response every time
from our manager.

[distancetraveller]

This is the GH way of defending set pieces & you will never
get him to change it,the issue has been raised at many a
fan's forum & has had the same response every time
from our manager.

and the response from GH was ??

[DAB @ ALTY]

The response was,that getting as many bodies back in the box
makes it harder for the opposition to score & is the best way
to defend set pieces.

[bighairedmike]

This is the GH way of defending set pieces & you will never
get him to change it,the issue has been raised at many a
fan's forum & has had the same response every time
from our manager.

and the response from GH was ??

If its good enough for United its good enough for me...

[distancetraveller]

The response was,that getting as many bodies back in the box
makes it harder for the opposition to score & is the best way
to defend set pieces.

What a load of Bollocks.. All it does is ensure that ball comes straight back .... GH wants to re-think that one if you leave one man on the half way line in means two of the oppositions defenders stay back to mark him... Like I said earlier ... It aint Rocket Science.........

Cheers for your answer to my question

[York Alty]

if vermin do it, we shouldn't.  i feel ill at the mere thought of copying them.

[ASMO]

This is exactly what i said in my post on here about a week ago.But it seems G.H doesn't agree with the thoughts of many of us , dont expect to see any changes .

[markecky]

In forums GH has said that everyone has a job in there.

If a goal is scored then it can be pointed to someone who did not do their job..

Surely no one would expect him to change his beliefs when people with no significant management experience says "its rubbish"?

For the record I don't agree with it either!

[Uncle Globnasty]

if vermin do it, we shouldn't.  i feel ill at the mere thought of copying them.

I wasn't aware that Liverpool did the same thing.

[fuertes]

if vermin do it, we shouldn't.  i feel ill at the mere thought of copying them.

I wasn't aware that Liverpool did the same thing.

 

[distancetraveller]

In forums GH has said that everyone has a job in there.

If a goal is scored then it can be pointed to someone who did not do their job..

Surely no one would expect him to change his beliefs when people with no significant management experience says "its rubbish"?

For the record I don't agree with it either!

I hear what your saying Mark,  but I dont think you find many teams in any league who drag everyone back for set pieces.. On the contrary I personally would expect him to change his beliefs as it is obvious that it isnt working by bringing everybody back.. I dont think you need to have any managerial experience to see that. Just listen to the fans on Tues when we went two down.......

Im not having a pop at you mate, just voicing my beliefs.....